Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Does anyone think plants stink less under LED's?

Would make sense that since the LED's throw much less heat down to the canopy, that odor would be reduced so some degree just from that, but does anyone think other factors may be at play also.

Has anyone grown the same strain with and without LED's and noticed any difference in odor?
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
Does anyone think plants stink less under LED's?

Would make sense that since the LED's throw much less heat down to the canopy, that odor would be reduced so some degree just from that, but does anyone think other factors may be at play also.

Has anyone grown the same strain with and without LED's and noticed any difference in odor?
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I read somewhere that the smell is a sign of a healthy plant. If they stunk less under LED, I'd say that was a bad thing....but I don't know for sure....just going off something I read.

(the person's plants stopped stinking in flower when the leaves went yellow, then started smelling again when some veg nutes were added.)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
I'd like to get some feedback on whether I should consider transplanting at some point from the square 1.75 gallon pots to some square 4.75 gallon pots.
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I think it is a good idea. A couple days before the flip to 12/12. :popcorn: :peace:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I agree - transplanting to larger pots is a good idea. Might cause a little stress in the short term but the long term benefit will be worth it.

If you choose to do this it'd be very much appreciated if you could describe your process and technique...
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Damn good question Sun

Would it extend the over all grow time?
imho yes. How long do you the grower want it to go?

And now for a different kind of thought. The two culls that you are now growing some where else, are you going to re pot those? I think that might have answered the question. :surf:

and maybe the KISS solution is the answer.

I bet that 90% of the viewing audience will say re pot. :rofl:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

SS, going to weigh in here. Definately repot them, but do it soon so the shock, if any, will sort itself out before the switch to 12/12.

Small planters do equal shorter plants, but in the interest of showing the potential of the lights I would think that, even if you had to cull down to 1 or 2 plants under each light, a taller plant will reveal the true penetration potential of LEDs.

Can't say enough about the dispassionate way you're conducting this grow. Seems like a ton of useful information, good or bad, will come out of this comparrison, as well as some solid, real world information that the manufacturers could use to improve their products.

Incredible job, Brother...Tried to throw some rep at you, but I got to spread some around.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

if you re pot let your soil dry out, this way it will come out in one ball of soil and roots. if the soil is wet then clumps of soil will/could break apart and rip some roots out when it falls. grab the pot and gently squeeze the sides all the way around to loosen the soil from the sides the put your hand on top of the soil and hold the stem between your two figures tip the pot upside down and the soil ball should slide out. just make sure you have your other bigger pot all ready to go before doing anything.

sometime its easier and safer to just cut the old pot to transplant. since the pots only cost a few bucks, and not chance the stress on your plants.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I am not so sure repotting is the way to go.

The only issue with the pots being too small would be having to water too often as the plants get bigger. But since the current pots are already draining very slowly, I really don't think it is necessary.

These are the exact same pots I used in my last grow and they are more than adequate for growing plants to 3 feet tall. Any taller than that and the LEDs simply wont reach the lower buds anyway.

I think the current setup is good and I honestly wouldn't change anything.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

My vote is re-pot about a week before going 12/12. Give them time to get comfortable and settled in their new home before the light cycle changes. Seeing how root bound mine were and how the responded after transplant convinced me I made the right choice. Like someone else said, wait until it's time to water to do the transplant. Also make sure the new soil is good and wet before putting the plant in it.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I would not re-pot them unless they are obviously root bound, but only because this is an experiment, and at least for me, it would be difficult to ensure that each of them transplants with the same amount of disturbance to the root ball.

It's just a variable I'd try not to add, even if there's a decent chance you could minimize it, it's still going to factor in the results, where as now it's not.


What do you think about this supposition: since LED plants seem to have less transpiration than under HPS, they might have a smaller root ball too?
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

day 35 veg

I set aside a few hours yesterday to see if I could improve my LED photography, but it only took about 10 minutes. I set a custom white balance level after actually reading the manual, and the results were impressive.

The camera has a harder time with the HSS hue than the HGL, but both are improved.

I hope my new camera settings provide better documentation.

Here's a before and after:

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Growth really accelerated after the last feeding. They are all at 12" or thereabouts already. Looks like Wednesday at the very latest for 12/12, maybe sooner.

I've talked to several members about the re-potting decision, and I very much appreciate the feedback here in the journal on the issue.

I'm gonna mull things over today, see if there's any more feedback, and decide whether to re-pot or not tonight.

thanks for following and have a great Sunday ;).
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I tend to agree that one shouldn't change pots. Too many variables can come into play regarding plant shock...some plants might do better than others and then you have skewed the results of this side-by-side comparison. I suggest you take them to the finish line as-is all things being equal.

P.S. Beautiful photos.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

My Thoughts...Yes leave as is in the same pots you have now. In this Grow you/we ;) are not going for max yield Right? In a LED/HID that would be the case, not here though. We have two LED going head to head, we are looking for the best bud producer not Max yield. Which LED's buds are best formed, size, trich amount etc. So leaving plants as is would be best, the most light coverge for all plants ,entire plants. Yes tranplanting may go great, But what if one plant does not adjust? Rootbound being a factor and you mentioned height being a factor too. So it is your Call of coarse. :goodjob: :rasta: :thankyou:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Just to complicate things....

The choice doesn't have to be repot or not. You could repot half of each (offcenter of course). In the end we'd learn which tactic was better and we'd still have equivalent comparison.

Only issue here is if repotted plants get taller and causes us to not be able to optimize the light gap, so maybe this wasn't a good thought after all.

I think it's a much worse risk to have to cut down to fewer plants than it is to risk running out of root space, even if you become a little root bound.

One of the most important things I'd personally like to see out of this is the performance under total available light foot print.

If we end up with less plants than the light footprint could handle we'll have an under optimized gram/watt ratio result.

I agree with everyone else, this is setting sun's call.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

You should definitely transplant them SS.

While it's true you're introducing more variables as hydronewbie said, the increase of variables is the same for all the plants since they're all getting transplanted, so it's a wash there. But during the stretch those girls might drink more water than your current pots can contain in a 36 hour period, not to mention the possibility of them being root-bound. Besides, although this is explicitly a comparison between the two respective lights, it is implicitly a comparison against other lights as well (whether we want it to be or not) don't you think? Almost everyone has made a comment along the lines of "let's see if the lights can match the hype" - well, we know they can't if we're constraining their ability to grow, no?

My vote: transplant. Let's see what these babies can do.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

What size pots would you normally use for plants of the size that you want to flower at? and remember, as im sure you do, youre using LEDs here. As The Weed said, youre going for bud size and quality not plant size. Although a healthy plant produces healthy buds. I say we go for a small plant with some potent buds! I also feel we should add your results from the culled plants under HIDs to compare potency to LED grown at least, size or yield not being a factor. I want to at least compare potency and flavor from HID grown to LED grown plants that came from the same seed packs and genetics. Or maybe that should be another grow? Being the plants were culled from the LED tents because they were different in one way or another which may give different results?
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

IMHO, the parameters of this side-by-side comparison were stated upfront and established a control environment. If one changes the pots, one changes the conditions of the controlled environment and introduces several variables that could diminish, dilute and nullify the comparable results. If it was stated upfront that at week 5 all plants will be placed into larger pots then the expectation would have been accounted for. Controlled studies should stay controlled otherwise the environment and the results will be compromised and the resulting data becomes meaningless.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Soniq420 said:
Just to complicate things....

The choice doesn't have to be repot or not. You could repot half of each (offcenter of course). In the end we'd learn which tactic was better and we'd still have equivalent comparison.

Only issue here is if repotted plants get taller and causes us to not be able to optimize the light gap, so maybe this wasn't a good thought after all.

I think it's a much worse risk to have to cut down to fewer plants than it is to risk running out of root space, even if you become a little root bound.

One of the most important things I'd personally like to see out of this is the performance under total available light foot print.

If we end up with less plants than the light footprint could handle we'll have an under optimized gram/watt ratio result.

I agree with everyone else, this is setting sun's call.
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this would mean more plants not bigger though

i also want to point out a couple more things, but now i forget what it was so give me a couple minutes to gather my thoughts please lol :smokin2:

im voting to keep them in their current pots, the LEDS with help with them drinking as much and drying too quickly IMO
but maybe we should have a poll to get a good count?
 
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