Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Keep that head large and in charge Sun, you deserve it, and you're doing great work!

We're working hard to line up some more comp grows for the community - you're 'Setting' the 420 Magazine Standard 'Sun';)

thank you Andy!


They look great!
Even another week probably wouldn't hurt.:grinjoint:

I agree. They might need to go till next Wednesday.

thanks for the encouragement bro ;).

Have you noticed which light seems to run hotter?

The Haight Solid State light runs 1-2 degrees hotter than the HydroGrowLED light, and I think that's probably because of the Haight's 180w versus the HydroGrow's 126w.

thanks Hybrid!

Thanks for the side-by-side pics - very helpful! Looks like they're virtually neck-and-neck at the moment.

Great work SS - you sure do make it look easy :thankyou:

I agree, they are remarkably close at this point.

You're very welcome usul!. I appreciate your comments and participation ;).

SS, well done. I think you got this growing thing down. All future comps will be done by you. When they legalize this herb, lets buy a farm. you grow ill test the product

I'm far from having it down, but I do try to learn from my mistakes so that I just make new ones ;).

I like your farm idea, but only if I get to test too, lol.


do you always use that much perlite? looks like 50%

I don't usually use that much. I used 33% for this grow. It looks like 50% in the pics because when I water, I use a pump sprayer and I set the spray pattern fairly fine but strong in order to oxygenate the solution. The spray washes the soil on the surface down and leaves the Perlite sitting on top, so it looks like more than 33%, but only because the soil's been washed off the top.

If I repeated this type of LED grow, I might go up to 50%, because with LED's you get much less evaporation and the pots dry out very slowly.

Transplanting is always an option, but I'm currently planting my seeds into what may be their final pots, so since I'm using a relatively large pot for veg, I need soil that drains really well and dries fast.


thanks wct ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Nice update Brother Sun.

The HGL seem to have a little more waxy appearance to their leaves, or is this an artifact of shooting the pics under LED lighting?

I've heard it said that the more glossy/waxy appearance is a sign of immune system health.

The HSS seems a little more dense in the middle but that could just be the angle.

I'm staring and staring and staring, and quite sure I'm overthinking at this point :surf:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

:hmmmm:
The HGL has fuller undergrowth in the bottom nodes - or so it seems. and the HSS Is less stretched. HGL 4 also appears to be more indica than the HSS 2. I would probably buy the HSS.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Nice update Brother Sun.

The HGL seem to have a little more waxy appearance to their leaves, or is this an artifact of shooting the pics under LED lighting?

I've heard it said that the more glossy/waxy appearance is a sign of immune system health.

The HSS seems a little more dense in the middle but that could just be the angle.

I'm staring and staring and staring, and quite sure I'm overthinking at this point :surf:


Nope, it's not a photographic artifact, and in the pics I take outside the tent, I'm using CFL's for photography. The HGL leaves are shinier and glossier. It's also my understanding that this is a sign of a strong immune system.

The HGL plants have also branched more and are somewhat denser in the middle.

As far as the wrinkled leaf issue in the seedling stage, I think I agree with sfhaze that it was LED burn due to having the lights a bit too close. I won't know for sure until I do another LED grow and keep them up a bit higher, but that's what I suspect. The HGL plants had a lot more of it than the HSS plants, and the HGL light was at 6", while the HSS was at 12". Even at 12", the HSS seedlings had a milder version of it.

I would have been surprised had nobody mentioned the difference in glossiness, because I find that pretty interesting. I'm not sure how significant it is in the overall scheme of things, but I always like to see glossy leaves.

thanks bro!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I would buy the HSS in general because it has higher power LEDs and a higher overall wattage rating, plus there are no moving parts. but I would use it closer to the plants and keep it like a ft away or less.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

All I can say is you better get some good buds from this grow....you're pretty much doing a perfect job and with all that work, you deserve to reap the harvest.

HSS claims that their light is comparable to a 600w HID, and HGL claims that theirs is comparable to a 400w HID.

I will be conservative and say that with my 250w HID, I can pull 1.5 oz per plant with 4 plants and the same style grow. If these lights don't at *least* match the yield from my 250, I will not be happy.

I will be happy with the knowledge gained, but I'm not into spending my money at dispensaries anymore. I've still got stash from my last grow, so I probably won't have to do that, but I think my personal expectations as far as yield are more than reasonable.

Maybe next grow we can get you to do a comparison of 1000watt Ushio to a Supher Plasma? I'll bring the wheel barrow on harvest day.

I'll buy the pizza;).
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

You know SS, when I was growing soil in my perpetual grow way back when, I ended up using 33% soil and 66% perlite - it gave me the best of hydro (fast growth due to regular nute uptake) with the best of soil (relatively easy, a nice buffer in case you miss a watering). It worked really, really well for me. As I get back into growing, I'm noticing all the relatively new-fangled things like bloomboxes and super-duper-closets, but the best grows seem to be in good old fashioned hempy buckets and really loose soil. Just throwing that out there - my opinion is perlite/soil > soil/perlite

:peace:

I love your grow.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Looking good SS, waiting another week to flower is a good call. I'm sure you can get at least 6oz with the HSS light. But, It took me a few runs to tune things in. My first run was a disaster.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Whats up sonora,I am new to growing and about to do a hempy grow. From what I have read eliminating soil also eliminates most pest problems. i hope thats true because I have enough to learn an pay attention to without battling bugs and such! :peace:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Whats up sonora,I am new to growing and about to do a hempy grow. From what I have read eliminating soil also eliminates most pest problems. i hope thats true because I have enough to learn an pay attention to without battling bugs and such! :peace:

It won't stop the worst of the worst. Spider mites are just as happy killing a plant growing in soil as not. But it will decrease fungus, thrips, gnats, etc.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Whats up sonora,I am new to growing and about to do a hempy grow. From what I have read eliminating soil also eliminates most pest problems. i hope thats true because I have enough to learn an pay attention to without battling bugs and such! :peace:

I never really had pest problems, although I'm in a climate where there's not a lot of pests to begin with. I've had them occasionally, but it's never been a big worry.

One of the advantages I see of having some soil is that it gives your plants a small amount of water-retaining medium, and makes them less susceptible to pH issues. Then again - some of these fancy bloomclosets seem really cool, particularly if you have a low-ryder type strain.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I never really had pest problems, although I'm in a climate where there's not a lot of pests to begin with. I've had them occasionally, but it's never been a big worry.

One of the advantages I see of having some soil is that it gives your plants a small amount of water-retaining medium, and makes them less susceptible to pH issues. Then again - some of these fancy bloomclosets seem really cool, particularly if you have a low-ryder type strain.

That is the idea behind the Hempy, you get the same benefit by replacing the soil with vermiculite or coco coir and you eliminate the soil borne diseases and pests.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

No one will be happy, including the manufacturers.

Fedex me a small piece please!


There is more than one harvest to be gained here. There is the harvest of buds, and hopefully, also a harvest of knowledge and information on how these lights perform, the latter being much more global in significance and importance.


But all that BS aside, I sure hope I get some nice buds outa this :rasta:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

You know SS, when I was growing soil in my perpetual grow way back when, I ended up using 33% soil and 66% perlite - it gave me the best of hydro (fast growth due to regular nute uptake) with the best of soil (relatively easy, a nice buffer in case you miss a watering). It worked really, really well for me. As I get back into growing, I'm noticing all the relatively new-fangled things like bloomboxes and super-duper-closets, but the best grows seem to be in good old fashioned hempy buckets and really loose soil. Just throwing that out there - my opinion is perlite/soil > soil/perlite

:peace:

I love your grow.

Thank you Sonora!

It's nice to meet you and thanks for your kind words and insights.

I lived in Yuma for a couple of years when I was in the service. If you're in southern AZ, things must get quite interesting in the summer.

Your comments really resonate with me because my experience with coming back to growing sounds similar to yours.

Way back when, I grew drain-to-waste in restaurant bus trays (oldschool version of Rubbermaid tubs) with lava rock as the medium. Didn't know hempy from shinola, but it grew pretty nice bush ;).

Thank you also for confirming my feelings about using a large percentage of Perlite in my mix. I love how fast it is and how much the plants are liking it.

I guess the downside is that I will probably have to water them daily when they get bigger unless I transplant into larger pots. If I had to leave town for any reason during that time, I would have to figure something out.

Your 33/66 soil/Perlite ratio sounds like something I'd like to try. It would be fun to do a comparison grow with several different ratios and see what works best for my needs.


I never really had pest problems, although I'm in a climate where there's not a lot of pests to begin with. I've had them occasionally, but it's never been a big worry.

One of the advantages I see of having some soil is that it gives your plants a small amount of water-retaining medium, and makes them less susceptible to pH issues. Then again - some of these fancy bloomclosets seem really cool, particularly if you have a low-ryder type strain.


For several reasons, it's a good time to come back to growing ;).
 
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