Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

in all fairness the debate will doubtfully sway the decision. uniformity is controlled.

those are a lot of big words for a newbie though I don't think putting different plants in the same soil is going to offer too many obscure variables we ought to account for. typically I assume the soil is the same pot to pot, but if it changes in between lemme know.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

poor SS is going to have alot of replying to do lol :( this can get to be hard work some times. major props to SS and much respect! he really is doing a wonderful job and keeping everyone happy!

wow SS, just read about your learning of the camera settings and i must say the results ARE very impressive! and gotta say im liking the HGL better at this point and i think you could fill the tent wall to wall with plants of that height with either of those lights! with veg growth like that i really cant wait to see them flower! both lights have blown my expections out of the water performance and growth wise for that amount of wattage and cost so far! very impressed. at this point im sold on either one for veg growth alone!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
Does anyone think plants stink less under LED's?

Would make sense that since the LED's throw much less heat down to the canopy, that odor would be reduced so some degree just from that, but does anyone think other factors may be at play also.

Has anyone grown the same strain with and without LED's and noticed any difference in odor?
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I think it's a damm good idea to transplant, and while you're at it, add some more perlite . Then you can fertilize twice per week. I know you don't need to be told how to transplant, but Irish has the right method. The only thing i would add is more perlite and i'd use a box cutter on the side roots on the way to their new pots. Like 5 one inch deep slashes around the edges, just before you put them in the new pots. Personnaly, i don't know how the plant will even know it's being moved, if done right !!
I have vegged my last two grows with two 90 watt ufos, then flower with 600 watt hid and it seems to me that the root systems are more root bound at harvest, compared to being under cfls and hids, their whole life. I'm using 4 gal pots. And i veg for 6 to 8 weeks.
Plants are looking so fine SS !! I do believe that before this is over, you'll cull down two two plants on each side. Just can't see lights covering 4 plants !! You gonna make moms out of the culled plants ?? Good luck bro !!:nicethread::surf:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Leave them in the pots they are in. I use to be a firm believer of massive pots for massive root growth but then time went on. Time went on for so long that I noticed growers from all around the world growing in some of the most tiny shit I have every seen like Gatorade bottles. The weird part was the plants still have good (not awesome) bud development. So I reduced from 5 gallon buckets down to a two gallon pots using the same strain I grew for a long long time from clone. Well the results were impressive. During my 5 gallon pot days I would achieve a large yeild but the buds were not tight, when they dried the were tight but not on the plant. When I grew in two gallon pots the buds were tight, no air could even pass threw and the best part was the yield was the same with tighter, more dense nug.

That is my own experience and by no means is it scientific, just simply my own personal observation. My grand father once told me the root zone of a plant in nature is a replication of the plant above the surface.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

For the record, my take is that those advocating for changing pots do so in order to improve yield, etc. which is fine for personal growing. We all tweak based on temps, pH, etc. I would prefer to see the results of this grow without uprooting them...sorry to beat the proverbial expired equine.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Very convincing argumentation
+reps

Sonora said:
You should definitely transplant them SS.

While it's true you're introducing more variables as hydronewbie said, the increase of variables is the same for all the plants since they're all getting transplanted, so it's a wash there. But during the stretch those girls might drink more water than your current pots can contain in a 36 hour period, not to mention the possibility of them being root-bound. Besides, although this is explicitly a comparison between the two respective lights, it is implicitly a comparison against other lights as well (whether we want it to be or not) don't you think? Almost everyone has made a comment along the lines of "let's see if the lights can match the hype" - well, we know they can't if we're constraining their ability to grow, no?

My vote: transplant. Let's see what these babies can do.
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

maybe we should have a poll to get a good count?
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I can put up a poll if setting sun wants, but at the end of the day it's his decision what to do.

I choose not to vote, but I'm really enjoying the discussion. I see both sides and am truly 50/50 at this stage. Five minutes ago I was convinced though ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Just my 2 cents...

It seems to me that while both plants are about the same hight, the HGL plants are all around more stout, bushier, and denser. While initially this makes me favor the Hydro Grow lights, I wonder if this could end up being a negative. My logic is that while they might be stronger, that by being bushier, it will ultimately block more light to parts that need it.

Also, I am extremely grateful for you doing this test. I have been following it since day 1. Not only does it compare two different lights, but it also gives us a good impression of what LEDs can actually do in real world tests.

Keep up the good work. And keep those pics coming.

Princess Mattaki
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Do the ladies tell you they want more room? Hang out with them for a while....see what they say. We all like to be comfortable, and more room can make comfort much easier!

See what they say...go with your gut...

I personally like using larger pots. I have noticed with my LR variety, larger pots make for bigger plants. Obviously there is a point of diminished returns, but a step up usually is a good thing.

I am scribed! I just stumbled upon this grow. Looks like they are doing well! Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing with us all!

-Go Green-
 
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3) All else equal

  • Tents are Secret Jardin DR80's; qty 2, 32" X 32" X 64".
  • The strain is Barney’s Farm Violator Kush, feminized X10Genetics: Barney's Farm Seeds - Violator Kush is an Indica strain with genetics sourced from Malana and Hindu Kush, (clones were not possible so we decided upon a stabilized feminized strain to minimize risk of phenotype). variation).
  • 5 plants per light. One tent per light.
  • The weakest plant eliminated after the third week of veg
  • The final grow will be the four strongest plants in each tent
  • This is a soil grow using Fox Farm’s Ocean Forest soil mixed with 25% Perlite.
  • Nutes will be Fox Farm’s Grow Big/Big Bloom/Tiger Bloom, Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus, Maxicrop liquid seaweed.
  • The containers are 2-gallon square pots.
  • Seeds will be planted and germinated directly in soil.
  • Each tents is independently ventilated by a Soler & Palau TD100 (100cfm) 4” exhaust fan mounted outside the tent, pulling air through a 4” HTG Supply Pure Flow 4 carbon filter mounted horizontally at the top of each tent for odor control. Intake is passive and through vents at the bottom of each tent.
    Sorry Folks,
    I just can't see the option of transplanting based on the rules and details of the first thread. Please stay the course. There should be opportunities to include transplantation on future grows. I think all data should be extracted after the grow is complete; yield, root structures, temps, pH values. etc. But it just doesn't seem scientific to deviate from the original hypothetical...though I'm certainly no scientist. I'd also like to hear what the manufacturers say about the proposal to transplant presuming they are sponsors of this grow. I can imagine the runner-up to the competition taking the position that the experiment went awry when the grower decided to take a vote on whether to transplant and did so against the rules and details of the first thread (sorry to play the Anslinger's Advocate). Respectfully,
    hydrownewbie
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
HSS claims that their light is comparable to a 600w HID, and HGL claims that theirs is comparable to a 400w HID.

I will be conservative and say that with my 250w HID, I can pull 1.5 oz per plant with 4 plants and the same style grow. If these lights don't at *least* match the yield from my 250, I will not be happy.
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The Lurker said:
Understood. Mfg claims aside, in optimal conditions I'd expect the 126W to be equivalent to ~250W HPS, and the PPF-800 closer to ~370W. I tend to discount anything above that now as being pure marketing spin...

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-TL
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Sonora said:
a comparison between the two respective lights, it is implicitly a comparison against other lights as well (whether we want it to be or not) don't you think? Almost everyone has made a comment along the lines of "let's see if the lights can match the hype" - well, we know they can't if we're constraining their ability to grow,no?[/B]
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So who decides whats light wattage we are comparing to? What the Mfg say? Or what we think? That is so confusing, and foggy Yes? I think we should Concentrate on what the two LED's are able to do against each other. Whatever Setting Sun desires to do :rollit:

Then winner LED Takes on HID....:laughtwo:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Soniq420 said:
I can put up a poll if setting sun wants, but at the end of the day it's his decision what to do.

I choose not to vote, but I'm really enjoying the discussion. I see both sides and am truly 50/50 at this stage. Five minutes ago I was convinced though ;)
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While I think a poll would be very interesting, I've heard really good arguments on both sides, and there are people whose opinions I respect on both sides.

a huge :thankyou: to all for all the excellent food for thought!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

well $hit man their are soo many good points i cant make up my mind. i think and am pretty sure your going to run into foot print issues with that many plants under one 126w i know i did with 3 plants i flowered at 11-12". but then if you throw some out it also changes everything because how do u know if the one you took out was going to be the higher yielder? its like chess you have to make smart moves when testing lights because if not then check mate.
 
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While all opinions and insights are interesting,lets not lose sight of the purpose of this grow. whether you transplant or not, all plants are to receive the same treatment and conditions to compare the lights. While the pots they are in are likely large enough, you spoke of maximizing yield. I doubt a transplant will shock them enough to harm yield but you may take sum time getting the watering and nutes dialed in. I guess it is really a personal decision, taking into consideration how comfortable you are with transplanting. :peace:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
While I think a poll would be very interesting, I've heard really good arguments on both sides, and there are people whose opinions I respect on both sides.

a huge :thankyou: to all for all the excellent food for thought!
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OK, lets vote. I say repot, and keep then as close to the edge of new pot as possible, without breaking up thr rootball, and add more perlite. If you don't, then i'd set up a drip system, because you'll be watering twice a day !! Ha !! :surf:
 
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I vote "No transplant"

1.)It introduces another variable which could influence the outcome of the grow. Notice I didn't say "will" influence....just that it could. If the plants died or got sick for some reason, the whole project would be a waste of time. They are growing well now....stay the course.
2.)Assuming SS's considerable skill results in a flawless transplant, the larger containers will result in bigger plants. This will mean the LED's may not be able to cover the area, let alone penetrate the canopy. LST is out of the question if we want any sort of scientific comparison.....it's another huge variable.

I say throw them into flower ASAP, and get the grow over with. You'll get your data, get some meds, and then you can tabulate everything and move on to the next thing.
 
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I agree with Doc. Don't transplant, take the simpler path and get to the end quicker.
 
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DocBud said:
I vote "No transplant"

1.)It introduces another variable which could influence the outcome of the grow. Notice I didn't say "will" influence....just that it could. If the plants died or got sick for some reason, the whole project would be a waste of time. They are growing well now....stay the course.
2.)Assuming SS's considerable skill results in a flawless transplant, the larger containers will result in bigger plants. This will mean the LED's may not be able to cover the area, let alone penetrate the canopy. LST is out of the question if we want any sort of scientific comparison.....it's another huge variable.

I say throw them into flower ASAP, and get the grow over with. You'll get your data, get some meds, and then you can tabulate everything and move on to the next thing.
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I agree.
As it looks now those 4 should fill the tent easily.
If they're at 12", flip them.;)
 
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