Mahalo brother!
Graytail's Cupwinners in High Brix Soil - 4x4 - 600W HPS - Perpetual
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And to you, tavo, grower of prime produce!
I'm having me a mellow Wednesday ... posting too much online ... 'mokin' some more ...
I'm having me a mellow Wednesday ... posting too much online ... 'mokin' some more ...
Man that look's a whole lot more inviting than what I am currently looking at out the window...
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LOL, I'm a thousand miles from any surfable water, at a rather chilly 1 above zero - not so bad, except that it's cloudy and kinda breezy.
Hey Gray...Here's what I'm looking at..a light dusting last night?!?!...lol
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LOL!
Kinda cakey, too - musta snowed sideways for awhile.
Kinda cakey, too - musta snowed sideways for awhile.
LOL!
Kinda cakey, too - musta snowed sideways for awhile.
Must have man...lol I woke up to it...blah!!
Congrats on your harvest Gray...
Cleetus
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Aw man ! Once again, I am left somewhat stunned, eyes sore and thoroughly facsinated by yet another great thread. I've gone from page 1 thru 37 in a number of hours. Somewht obbsessed and loving it 
Thanks so much for sharing your efforts. This is just wonderful.
I have spent the last few weeks chomping through threads involving LED and/or Doc's HB kit. What an edumacation !
I am over 10 years removed from growing and so chomping at the bit to start again once the situation presents itself. My experience amounts to a couple of haphazard outdoor porch grows from bag seed and a year of indoor with decent clones. Indoor, I adopted a SOG style in small 5" squares of Pro Mix in a 3'x4' space under a 600 hps, with local hydro nutes and whatever amendments that I got sold on, with varying degrees of success. It was fun and yielded the best smoke ever for me.
The threads here that I have dug into lately really excite me. This one as well as those by Icemud, Steppenwolf, Hash Hound, Curso, Doc Bud, and others I have probaly forgotten, are truly inspirational. Thank you all. I hope to be a colleague and not just a lurker someday soon. I certainly have gained inspiration and a direction through the hard work of all of you. Wow!
Cheers Graytail !
Thanks so much for sharing your efforts. This is just wonderful.I have spent the last few weeks chomping through threads involving LED and/or Doc's HB kit. What an edumacation !
I am over 10 years removed from growing and so chomping at the bit to start again once the situation presents itself. My experience amounts to a couple of haphazard outdoor porch grows from bag seed and a year of indoor with decent clones. Indoor, I adopted a SOG style in small 5" squares of Pro Mix in a 3'x4' space under a 600 hps, with local hydro nutes and whatever amendments that I got sold on, with varying degrees of success. It was fun and yielded the best smoke ever for me.
The threads here that I have dug into lately really excite me. This one as well as those by Icemud, Steppenwolf, Hash Hound, Curso, Doc Bud, and others I have probaly forgotten, are truly inspirational. Thank you all. I hope to be a colleague and not just a lurker someday soon. I certainly have gained inspiration and a direction through the hard work of all of you. Wow!
Cheers Graytail !
Cleetus
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Just as an aside, all the 'short forms' for strains and styles and techniques here on the forum are a royal PITA for noobs ;p Is there a legend for this shit somewhere pn the forum? No worries. I'll finger it out
And also, the fact that Doc's kit does well with landrace strains is exciting. That's where I would like to go. I have tried to dispell the myth of newish crosses being the strongest weed ever. I am right in believing that high THC strains are as old as God and are not a product of crossbreeding and hydro nute regemins? I like to think so
And also, the fact that Doc's kit does well with landrace strains is exciting. That's where I would like to go. I have tried to dispell the myth of newish crosses being the strongest weed ever. I am right in believing that high THC strains are as old as God and are not a product of crossbreeding and hydro nute regemins? I like to think so
Dennise
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I am right in believing that high THC strains are as old as God and are not a product of crossbreeding and hydro nute regemins? I like to think so
I know it's true... I've smoked it way back when and if it got any better you couldn't smoke it.....
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You keep reading journals like those, Cleetus, and you risk becoming irrationally exhuberant about high brix!
You sound a lot like me last spring - I spent a month just reading threads trying to figure out how to make sense of it all. And I can relate to taking another crack at it after having some previous experience. Mine was in the last century though, so I had a LOT of catching up to do. When I grew before, we just fed 'em green Rapidgrow in veg and blue Miraclegro in flower.
Doc's kit is especially fun for someone who has previous experience, I think - I mean, we know what we thought was good, before. I smoked the best buds from the best phenos of the best strains for ten years. I know how the plant grows and how good the buds can be. This stuff is better.
Besides, the whole concept is cool! I keep thinking programmable nanobots, y'know? Ya got yer own personal workforce in the soil - jus' makes me chuckle. They're thick-headed lil buggers though - communication is tricky. But when you get everything tuned in, whoa nelly, the plants can do the oddest things!
You made my day with your post, Cleetus, thank you so much. It's hard for a guy to really know how much of his journal is useful and how much is jus' ego. I hope you'll join us in the HB method. We're just getting the bugs worked out - I really do think this tuned-soil idea is a insurmountable advantage. Then it's just a matter of learning how to play the instrument and what it can do.
[Edit] Ask me or anyone about the shortforms - I had the worst trouble with EWC, just could NOT figure it out ... Earth Worm Castings ... *groan*
You sound a lot like me last spring - I spent a month just reading threads trying to figure out how to make sense of it all. And I can relate to taking another crack at it after having some previous experience. Mine was in the last century though, so I had a LOT of catching up to do. When I grew before, we just fed 'em green Rapidgrow in veg and blue Miraclegro in flower.
Doc's kit is especially fun for someone who has previous experience, I think - I mean, we know what we thought was good, before. I smoked the best buds from the best phenos of the best strains for ten years. I know how the plant grows and how good the buds can be. This stuff is better.
Besides, the whole concept is cool! I keep thinking programmable nanobots, y'know? Ya got yer own personal workforce in the soil - jus' makes me chuckle. They're thick-headed lil buggers though - communication is tricky. But when you get everything tuned in, whoa nelly, the plants can do the oddest things!
You made my day with your post, Cleetus, thank you so much.
It's hard for a guy to really know how much of his journal is useful and how much is jus' ego. I hope you'll join us in the HB method. We're just getting the bugs worked out - I really do think this tuned-soil idea is a insurmountable advantage. Then it's just a matter of learning how to play the instrument and what it can do.[Edit] Ask me or anyone about the shortforms - I had the worst trouble with EWC, just could NOT figure it out ... Earth Worm Castings ... *groan*
Cleetus
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Aw dude....the fact that I made your day through my humble words makes MY day 
Thank you and....you are welcome !
A couple of phrases you threw out there totally resonated with me. "irrationally exuberant", is where my head is at right now regarding the LEDs and Doc's HB kit. I am sadly, for the time being, without an outlet for said exuberance....although, I think it's pretty rational
"Programmable nanobots" ! LOL ! Yup. When I had my indoor grow, that's what I went for. And I did alright. I flowered around 48 sticks under 600 aircooled hps and averaged about 12g per. At the time, it was a success. But.......
Now my goals have way changed. I would love to have a HB garden with a few varied strains of weed that would cover daytime and nighttime needs as well as some healthy food. I hold my hands wide open to accept the gift of being able to do so
Cheers Graytail for the lovely reply. Happy lurker over here. All the best always
Thank you and....you are welcome !A couple of phrases you threw out there totally resonated with me. "irrationally exuberant", is where my head is at right now regarding the LEDs and Doc's HB kit. I am sadly, for the time being, without an outlet for said exuberance....although, I think it's pretty rational
"Programmable nanobots" ! LOL ! Yup. When I had my indoor grow, that's what I went for. And I did alright. I flowered around 48 sticks under 600 aircooled hps and averaged about 12g per. At the time, it was a success. But.......
Now my goals have way changed. I would love to have a HB garden with a few varied strains of weed that would cover daytime and nighttime needs as well as some healthy food. I hold my hands wide open to accept the gift of being able to do so
Cheers Graytail for the lovely reply. Happy lurker over here. All the best always
Cleetus
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Hahaha...way to resonate some more
I play a musical instrument. I am accomplished. I live and work amongst many others that are likewise accomplished. We draw our inspiration from many of the same sources, yet, our output is always uniquely our own. To the untrained ear, we may sound somewhat the same. But, to the trained ear, our individual styles are unmistakable. I draw paralells here. Growing is much the same. We leave our fingerprints on all we touch. We absolutely should take pride in our successes. Yes, ego will play a role but, as long as there is honesty and sincerity as the main thrust of the activity, we should be good, no?
I'm pressed for time this week so instead of searching everywhere for the answer, I'll just post here. I know I'll get an answer soon because this is a USEFUL journal and not all about ego. lol.
What is considered a high brix reading for cannabis? I had to order some stuff from the zon and threw in a refractometer. It will be here later today. What would a poor, midlin, and good brix reading be?
What is considered a high brix reading for cannabis? I had to order some stuff from the zon and threw in a refractometer. It will be here later today. What would a poor, midlin, and good brix reading be?
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Good question.
Doc says he doesn't get much over 18 and his are a bit of a benchmark, so ...
Mine typically read 10-12 when I first start testing them in late veg. From there, they'll drift upward to 13+ before harvest.
Doc also figures that his plants are safe at 12+.
Technique matters and I've explained mine before, but I'll do it again. Doc takes his tests from the tops. Most of us take ours from average middle leaves - like your typical 5 blade leaf in the middle of the canopy - there's always one in there that looks fine, but is in the way. Since the petiole will read much lower, I'll snap off any "extra" - y'know, some are really long - leaving .75 inch or so, y'know, average. I twist the leaf and roll it up, keeping the petiole inside the roll, then flatten without releasing any juice. I use vicegrips and a couple coin-sized metal discs, and just firmly press it flat with a few squeezes. Then I pull the discs apart, roll the flattened leaf back into a ball and squeeze the discs over the prism. You can just tap/touch the edge of the crush to the prism and get enough for a reading. I like to take 2 in a row, so I'll open it back up, roll it back into a ball, clean off the prism and crush a second drop. The more tests I've done, the closer the 2 readings have gotten, usually the same now. You should also always take your readings under the same conditions and at the same time in the light cycle. Dry or necrotic leaves will read higher and freshly watered plants will read lower, for instance. Sap sugar varies through the growing day. But once we get a better handle on the readings, I've read from vinyard usage that you can read a response from a treatment later that same day. We could really get some good data on how the plant responds.
I'm happy to hear you're going to start testing brix! We're at the very first stages of using it with cannabis, and it'll be good to have another grower taking readings.
[Edit] And thanks for the support~!
Doc says he doesn't get much over 18 and his are a bit of a benchmark, so ...
Mine typically read 10-12 when I first start testing them in late veg. From there, they'll drift upward to 13+ before harvest.
Doc also figures that his plants are safe at 12+.
Technique matters and I've explained mine before, but I'll do it again.
Doc takes his tests from the tops. Most of us take ours from average middle leaves - like your typical 5 blade leaf in the middle of the canopy - there's always one in there that looks fine, but is in the way. Since the petiole will read much lower, I'll snap off any "extra" - y'know, some are really long - leaving .75 inch or so, y'know, average. I twist the leaf and roll it up, keeping the petiole inside the roll, then flatten without releasing any juice. I use vicegrips and a couple coin-sized metal discs, and just firmly press it flat with a few squeezes. Then I pull the discs apart, roll the flattened leaf back into a ball and squeeze the discs over the prism. You can just tap/touch the edge of the crush to the prism and get enough for a reading. I like to take 2 in a row, so I'll open it back up, roll it back into a ball, clean off the prism and crush a second drop. The more tests I've done, the closer the 2 readings have gotten, usually the same now. You should also always take your readings under the same conditions and at the same time in the light cycle. Dry or necrotic leaves will read higher and freshly watered plants will read lower, for instance. Sap sugar varies through the growing day. But once we get a better handle on the readings, I've read from vinyard usage that you can read a response from a treatment later that same day. We could really get some good data on how the plant responds.I'm happy to hear you're going to start testing brix! We're at the very first stages of using it with cannabis, and it'll be good to have another grower taking readings.
[Edit] And thanks for the support~!
Thanks Gray. I'll follow your instructions. For the time being I'm not going to do anything to try and improve the readings. I'm just going to get a feel for how watering and light cycle changes them. If you don't understand that part of it, there is no way to know if other things you do are having a positive of negative affect.
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My same sort of approach - I've been assembling a field of data - I can crunch it later.
You'll see. You can actually get pretty much any reading you want, if you manipulate. This last time I read Utopia Haze, I got a 25 on the first try. It was from a marginal dried-up fan that was still maybe green enough to read? Nu uh. So I tugged off a few long blades from some decent "sugar fans" and got the 15 I was expecting. It's tempting to accept the wildly good readings, heheh, but I even round down to be sure I remain credible.
You'll see. You can actually get pretty much any reading you want, if you manipulate.
This last time I read Utopia Haze, I got a 25 on the first try. It was from a marginal dried-up fan that was still maybe green enough to read? Nu uh. So I tugged off a few long blades from some decent "sugar fans" and got the 15 I was expecting. It's tempting to accept the wildly good readings, heheh, but I even round down to be sure I remain credible.
I hear ya on the manipulation. I have many friends in the wine business and called one of them the other day. They use portable refractometers in vineyard management. He placed a huge emphasis on taking multiple samples from each tested plant and on how things like what time of the day and how long since the last watering changed up readings.