The Tangerine dream was a fun ride even if she did get gender confused at the end. Looks like it's going to be some fine smoke and add nice variety to your puffing for a while in any event. Nice harvest!
Graytail's Cupwinners in High Brix Soil - 4x4 - 600W HPS - Perpetual
RainStacks
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I am happy to read that testing is going well 
Had you just watered your cuttings/clones, in the one pic they looked very wet*? I was unable to get my OG Kush to root in my bubble cloner, so I was wondering if I am keeping them too dry with now that I have some cuttings in rapid rooters.
Had you just watered your cuttings/clones, in the one pic they looked very wet*? I was unable to get my OG Kush to root in my bubble cloner, so I was wondering if I am keeping them too dry with now that I have some cuttings in rapid rooters.- Thread starter
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They were doing really fine. I've been testing some small stuff and it isn't very potent, but we'll see how the better buds do. The buzz is good, at least.
Thanks, good to have you on board!
Heheh, I think this is The One for me. It's incomparable!
Thanks man, just don't like the coincidence very much.
Exactly. Thanks. I wasn't expecting much, so the variety will be nice.
I am happy to read that testing is going well
Yeah, I was even a little embarassed when I saw that mucky looking water in the bottom of the tray.
I like to to keep them soaked for a few days and then start letting 'em get a little dry on top.I really think my problem was cold. I had the tray right on the concrete floor, and while it may be 70 in the house at chair level, the concrete floor might be 60. When I raised the tray off the floor, the problem stopped. Another little lesson to have learned.
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Ah okay I think I get it now, so they are wet while they are freshly cut, then as the medium dries out the plant sends out roots ideally so they can get enough 02? So from there you just keep it moist until you see roots?
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For me, it's one of those eyeball things - after some days, the leaf posture begins to show how well they're taking up water. If I let them dry a little, they'll limp a little, so I'll flood 'em and watch some more. By 10 days they should have enough roots to pot.
I never had a glitch until this last batch.
Another member pointed me to a post the other day. The post was made by a shameful contest cheater who shall remain nameless. In the post, the cheater asserted very strongly, in no uncertain terms, that heat caused stretch in plants and not the distance from lights. The inquisitive member wanted to know what I thought about that. I went into research mode.
Plants cool themselves by transpiration. That is a fancy name for sweating. In hot conditions the stoma on the leaves open wider and perspire (transpire) more. Any breeze evaporates the moisture exuded by the plant and cools it down. This is one reason that sitting under the shade of a tree is so comforting in hot weather.
From an epigenetic standpoint, the stretch theory makes sense. A plant under hot conditions will benefit from a taller more open structure that lets the breeze through for cooling. The assertion that distance from the light does not affect stretch, only heat, is a gross overstatement in my opinion; but...
When you look at the difference between sativas and indicas it makes more sense. Sativas tend to grow in hotter and more humid environments when we examine landrace strains. The lankier wide-node spacing of a sativa allows for more evaporative cooling in hot and humid environments. Sativa structure is tuned genetically for hot and humid conditions.
Your thought that cool conditions led to the stress and gender confusion in the TD is supported by those observations. She just wanted a warmer and more humid environment than you were able to offer her. Kissing her ass to give her what she wanted would have had a negative impact on the hybrids you enjoy so much success with.
Plants cool themselves by transpiration. That is a fancy name for sweating. In hot conditions the stoma on the leaves open wider and perspire (transpire) more. Any breeze evaporates the moisture exuded by the plant and cools it down. This is one reason that sitting under the shade of a tree is so comforting in hot weather.
From an epigenetic standpoint, the stretch theory makes sense. A plant under hot conditions will benefit from a taller more open structure that lets the breeze through for cooling. The assertion that distance from the light does not affect stretch, only heat, is a gross overstatement in my opinion; but...
When you look at the difference between sativas and indicas it makes more sense. Sativas tend to grow in hotter and more humid environments when we examine landrace strains. The lankier wide-node spacing of a sativa allows for more evaporative cooling in hot and humid environments. Sativa structure is tuned genetically for hot and humid conditions.
Your thought that cool conditions led to the stress and gender confusion in the TD is supported by those observations. She just wanted a warmer and more humid environment than you were able to offer her. Kissing her ass to give her what she wanted would have had a negative impact on the hybrids you enjoy so much success with.
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Interesting info!
In my experience, it's indisputable that more light equals less stretch. Period. I run 138 watts of CFLs 2 inches off the tops in veg, and I get half inch internodes. I've never heard otherwise.
But heat ... ? Hmm. If there's an increase in stretch from heat, I've never noticed it or heard of it. If anything, I think heat would stunt growth. It's more likely the difference in phenos. I would imagine that in a hot environment, a sativa would do better for the reasons you describe - a plant structure that deals more easily with high temps. Someone might notice that the plants that do well in heat are also the ones that stretch, and draw a partial conclusion.
My room isn't cold as such - always between 72-80 days and 62 nights - so it's hard to pin it on that. It was an odd pheno - virtually no G-13 in it that I could see or smell, and even the Neville's Haze side was very very Haze, so I'm gonna blame it on an unstable throwback pheno.
I got 52 grams from it over 132 days for 0.394 gr/day - not swell, but heck, it's another strain (9 now) for my jars and 2 z's will be jus' fine. There's no hint of tangerine or citrus of any kind in it - all sandalwood, nothing else - and it smokes smoothly with a good energetic high. If it was all I had, I'd be completely happy with it - probably marginally better than the Indian Skunk. I love the bud structure, though!
This is a very dominant sativa with gorgeous crusty little calyxes in long spears. Yummy.Next is Utopia Haze, which is the best I've grown. It's the perfect high for me, just perfect. MmmMph!
The main factor in stretch is the difference between day and night temps. Extreme heat will cause some stretch, but no one grows like that. 86 degrees with C02 enrichment will grow any sativa. But if nighttime temps are more than 15 degrees cooler than day time temps, you get more stretch.
If you really want to stack 'em up.....try to get the day/night swing under 10 degrees.
If you really want to stack 'em up.....try to get the day/night swing under 10 degrees.
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I have to agree 100% with you doc. I have seen a lot of stretch in the summer time. When I ran hempy's I could start them at 6-8" tall and end up with 19-29" at end of flower. These had to be of the sativa dominant because what I'm running now is more indica but hardly any stretch maybe 3 or 4" is all but they are fully mature ladies. I have tried to keep everything as close to right as can be. Temps hi 81*-65 lo -RH 30/40% I need to put my fan on a timer this time off the year. I have been turning it on about 2hrs after lights on and the cut off about a 1hr before lights out to try and keep as much heat in the tent as possible.
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A couple photos of the Tangerine Dream harvest:
Sativa goodness!
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It's weekly update/picture time!
I'm down to 5 ladies in the flower room after the TD harvest, and I'm planning to chop Utopia Haze on Sunday - she has some amber trichs and I don't want the buzz to get too stoney. They're still mostly clear, though, so if I see a sign that she really wants to make more calyxes, I'm game.
Utopia Haze - 113 Days old - 70 days 12/12 - 51 days since pistils - brix 16/17
SLH Reveg is in the home stretch. This is going to have a lot of small nuglets but it's all for personal consumption anyway, and I like little nugs jus' fine - I bet SLH makes some Fine kief, too! The stems can't support the growth though, so it's already falling apart - gonna need some stakes before she finishes. But I think I might get 3+ oz from the second harvest.
SLH Reveg - 246 days old - 48 days 12/12 - 38 since pistils - brix 13/13
Heheh, Jamaican Dream is SO much fun to grow! I forgot how little help and assistance it needs. I look at it and meh, it's doin' jus' fine - looks like it always did at this point - nothing different any of the other 4 times I've grown it. This is the stage where I do a double-take though. She always purdy.
JD4 - 159 days old - 43 days 12/12 - 32 days since pistils - brix 14/14
Ditto for White Panther - this one makes really impressive dense sticky tops. This is just my second run for this strain, but it looks just like its mother, the same way the JDs do. Same same - easy, reliable - potent weighty harvest. Almost too easy, heheh.
WP1 - 119 Days old - 42 days 12/12 - 32 since pistils - brix 12/12
Panama is starting to show color. This is going to be better than its mother.
Pana1 - 90 days old - 28 days 12/12 - 18 since pistils - brix 12/13
Cotton Candy is new for me, and I'm impressed by its vigor. I have Cotton Candy, Carnival and Grapefruit in veg, and I'm surprised that CC blew past the other two by such a margin. I LST'd it and topped the other two, so that may be part of it. CC will be ready for flower to replace Utopia Haze, and the other two will come a week or two later, so I'll be lighting bare floor in the flower room again - annoying - I need a better veg space - I keep falling behind. CC is Lavender x Power Plant. So far, it's certainly expressing its Power Plant genes and I can't wait to see the blue/lavender color come out.
Cotton Candy - 54 days old - brix 10/11
I like Carnival so far. She hooked into the soil better than Grapefruit. Nice vibrant color and posture!
Carnival - 52 days old - brix 9/9
I'm surprised that Grapefruit is the laggard of the three - thought it'd be the fast one. Nice branch structure after the topping though.
Grapefruit - 53 days old - brix 6/7
And this is what I managed to salvage from my batch of clones. I lost my JD cut, and will have to reveg if I want to keep it. I didn't really want to run another SLH, but ... that's all that I have right now.
The new batch of cuts is doing fine.
I'm down to 5 ladies in the flower room after the TD harvest, and I'm planning to chop Utopia Haze on Sunday - she has some amber trichs and I don't want the buzz to get too stoney. They're still mostly clear, though, so if I see a sign that she really wants to make more calyxes, I'm game.
Utopia Haze - 113 Days old - 70 days 12/12 - 51 days since pistils - brix 16/17
SLH Reveg is in the home stretch. This is going to have a lot of small nuglets but it's all for personal consumption anyway, and I like little nugs jus' fine - I bet SLH makes some Fine kief, too!
The stems can't support the growth though, so it's already falling apart - gonna need some stakes before she finishes. But I think I might get 3+ oz from the second harvest.SLH Reveg - 246 days old - 48 days 12/12 - 38 since pistils - brix 13/13
Heheh, Jamaican Dream is SO much fun to grow! I forgot how little help and assistance it needs. I look at it and meh, it's doin' jus' fine - looks like it always did at this point - nothing different any of the other 4 times I've grown it. This is the stage where I do a double-take though. She always purdy.
JD4 - 159 days old - 43 days 12/12 - 32 days since pistils - brix 14/14
Ditto for White Panther - this one makes really impressive dense sticky tops. This is just my second run for this strain, but it looks just like its mother, the same way the JDs do. Same same - easy, reliable - potent weighty harvest. Almost too easy, heheh.
WP1 - 119 Days old - 42 days 12/12 - 32 since pistils - brix 12/12
Panama is starting to show color. This is going to be better than its mother.
Pana1 - 90 days old - 28 days 12/12 - 18 since pistils - brix 12/13
Cotton Candy is new for me, and I'm impressed by its vigor. I have Cotton Candy, Carnival and Grapefruit in veg, and I'm surprised that CC blew past the other two by such a margin. I LST'd it and topped the other two, so that may be part of it. CC will be ready for flower to replace Utopia Haze, and the other two will come a week or two later, so I'll be lighting bare floor in the flower room again - annoying - I need a better veg space - I keep falling behind. CC is Lavender x Power Plant. So far, it's certainly expressing its Power Plant genes and I can't wait to see the blue/lavender color come out.
Cotton Candy - 54 days old - brix 10/11
I like Carnival so far. She hooked into the soil better than Grapefruit. Nice vibrant color and posture!
Carnival - 52 days old - brix 9/9
I'm surprised that Grapefruit is the laggard of the three - thought it'd be the fast one. Nice branch structure after the topping though.
Grapefruit - 53 days old - brix 6/7
And this is what I managed to salvage from my batch of clones. I lost my JD cut, and will have to reveg if I want to keep it. I didn't really want to run another SLH, but ... that's all that I have right now.
The new batch of cuts is doing fine.
Dennise
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what is the white stuff on the bottom of the leaf in the next to last pic? Other than that they are beautiful as always.....
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LOL, busted! 
I just swapped that pic for one without whiteflies. I knocked 'em back with the Bug/Pest spray, but they're still with me.
I just swapped that pic for one without whiteflies. I knocked 'em back with the Bug/Pest spray, but they're still with me.
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It's still building pale crusty calyxes coated with trichs, so I'm letting it do that.
The amber trichs are all on the oldest leaves - only natural - they were made over a month ago, so they're degrading.
But I'm itching to jar it. This is the best smoke I've grown so far - it's spectacular!
The amber trichs are all on the oldest leaves - only natural - they were made over a month ago, so they're degrading.
But I'm itching to jar it. This is the best smoke I've grown so far - it's spectacular!
sir grow alot
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This is the best smoke I've grown so far - it's spectacular!
thats always great to hear!! great job
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