Graytail's Cupwinners in High Brix Soil - 4x4 - 600W HPS - Perpetual

Nope, I have the full 6 gallons in there.

Is there anything I can do to help green-up the young Kerala3? It's already had recharge and worm poop and cat drench.
 
Nope, I have the full 6 gallons in there.

Is there anything I can do to help green-up the young Kerala3? It's already had recharge and worm poop and cat drench.

did you follow directions on when to do all that stuff?

I don't know why some plants just suck.....but comparing your Kerala's to your JD's make it seem like Kerala just plain sucks. It could be that the genetics of Kerala are best for high salt/hydro cultivation? I run into that problem all the time.

Landrace strains THRIVE in high brix, while complex hybrids don't always even look like the same plants. It could be your cut is bad, or that Kerala doesn't do well in a high brix environment.....I really don't know.

You definitely need to get all that excess foliage off the plant, however. That alone will free up nutrition to go to the tops, where it belongs.
 
Yeah, we'll see, but that's my judgement - the strain just sucks. "Kerala" is Indian Skunk, which is simply Kerala x Skunk#1 by Seedsman. They were freebies. Skunk#1 is a fairly simple and stable strain but the Kerala may not be the best cross for it. It seems nitrogen hungry - odd for a sativa dom. I'm still wondering if my calcium heavy water causes an issue, but apparently not for the Jamaicans. Dunno.

That reminds me. It might be getting late for the cat drench for the Jamaicans - they're really quick, due to finish in 4 weeks. Should I go ahead and give em the cat drench or skip it, since they look so good as it is? How do the plants respond to the drench? I can't remember from your early journals. The Kerala seemed to increase its calyx production but I seem to remember you talking about it affecting the flowering schedule. The Kerala has 8 weeks to go, while the Jamaicans only have 4 weeks.

BTW, I smoked some of the early dried Kerala and it isn't bad. It's a lower THC strain - I'd estimate low teens pct - but the buzz is energetic and trippy. If I frost it with some kief, it might be worth smoking.
 
Graytail, I finally made my way over here. I love what I see here. You are doing the kit justice, my friend. I am with Doc, some strains, maybe that Kerala isn't the best. Ive tried a couple Critical Kush and Tangerine Dream that were OK. Probably really good for the strain, but just OK. That Jamaican is ridiculous.

I am looking for a few bad ass strains myself. I think the Kerala suffered a bit from the heat. Are you going to run the Kerala again? What kinda sprayer are you using?
 
Graytail, I finally made my way over here. I love what I see here. You are doing the kit justice, my friend. I am with Doc, some strains, maybe that Kerala isn't the best. Ive tried a couple Critical Kush and Tangerine Dream that were OK. Probably really good for the strain, but just OK. That Jamaican is ridiculous.

I am looking for a few bad ass strains myself. I think the Kerala suffered a bit from the heat. Are you going to run the Kerala again? What kinda sprayer are you using?

Great to see you here, Rain, thanks for the kind words!

I can say with high confidance that I will never run Indian Skunk ("Kerala") again, lol. Uh uh. I'm rapidly becoming a snob after 6 whole months of growing. I can now relate to that feeling of having a "bummer" plant in the room. It's f'n annoying. It makes me grumpy. Limited upside, and too much downside. I'll be happy when Kerala1 goes down this weekend not because it's a harvest, but because I won't have to see the miserable thing ever again. I still have Kerala3 in kit soil and that's the one I've been talking about. It'll be a better plant, undoubtedly, but it still hurts the eye. Even if it's great smoke, I still want to grow plants that are thrilling to watch, like the Jamaican Dream.

You should try Jamaican Dream. I think you'd be amazed, and I selfishly would like to see what someone else can do with it. There's an online forum with a woman in Spain who grew it outdoors for a few runs, if you're curious. That finally sold me on it - that and learning that while it's indica dom, it smokes like a sativa.

I just started a Tangerine Dream. You say you weren't all that impressed? I watched a couple other grows and was impresed with its habit and vigor. Hmm.

I have a 2 quart Solo sprayer with extended wand and it works great. I just wish it was a one quart - I only have 6-8 plants to treat, so I never mix up more than a quart and there's so much air in the bottle that it's hard to keep pumped up. It also has a nozzle that rotates, so it's very easy to spray undersides.
 
Great to see you here, Rain, thanks for the kind words!

I can say with high confidance that I will never run Indian Skunk ("Kerala") again, lol. Uh uh. I'm rapidly becoming a snob after 6 whole months of growing. I can now relate to that feeling of having a "bummer" plant in the room. It's f'n annoying. It makes me grumpy. Limited upside, and too much downside. I'll be happy when Kerala1 goes down this weekend not because it's a harvest, but because I won't have to see the miserable thing ever again. I still have Kerala3 in kit soil and that's the one I've been talking about. It'll be a better plant, undoubtedly, but it still hurts the eye. Even if it's great smoke, I still want to grow plants that are thrilling to watch, like the Jamaican Dream.

I just started a Tangerine Dream. You say you weren't all that impressed? I watched a couple other grows and was impresed with its habit and vigor. Hmm.

I have a 2 quart Solo sprayer with extended wand and it works great. I just wish it was a one quart - I only have 6-8 plants to treat, so I never mix up more than a quart and there's so much air in the bottle that it's hard to keep pumped up. It also has a nozzle that rotates, so it's very easy to spray undersides.

If you search for strains that are relatively pure, genetically speaking, you'll have better success with the kit.

For example, last night I had a "guest" trimmer come over and help harvest. He's a pro....makes his living off a hemp store....been growing/smoking for a long time.

He freaked out and went on a long rant after trying the Herijuana. Went on and on about it....and when I told him it was an old strain from yesteryear grown in High Brix he started to get it.

Then, we smoke some Lemon Paki.....and he freaked out all over again. He tried to fill his lungs all the way.....full exhale before the hit, full inhale.....tried to cough....could barely do it on expansion but no coughing spasms....totally freaked out. Said he hadn't been that high in 10 years. We just sat there and laughed at him....cuz we smoke this stuff every day.

He became a total snob in about 20 minutes. He saw the wash water, saw the peroxide bath turn brownish, saw the pristine buds getting hung....and smoked the end product.....it's all over for him now, only high brix will do.

Again....a landrace strain.

These old strains that people discarded in favor of hydro-friendly/salt friendly hybrids are like 60's muscle cars....set them up right and you can show these young kids what weed is all about.

Many of these newer strains became popular because they yield well and grow well in a high salt environment. Put them in high brix soil and you have no idea what will come out the other end.....could be unbelievably good, could be a disappointment.

Put the landrace strain in high brix and now you've got something that blows away the salt friendly strains....something no one has seen before and something they won't soon forget.

So, my recommendation is to look for genetics that are as pure as possible. Old school is the first place to look.

I wonder what Sensi Star would do in high brix....
 
That's what's confusing about the Indian Skunk. You'd think Kerala would be pretty close to landrace, and Skunk#1 is a very early simple hybrid - should be clear genetics. I see the lineage of some strains and I think, sheesh what a mess.

It makes sense that hybrids developed in heavy NPK environments would be tailored to thrive on it, while the ones Mother Nature developed would work best with active live soils.

What about the Jamaicans and the drench? What would you do?

Oh, BTW, I think it's going to be really interesting to see how Ace's Panama does in high brix. I'm definitely going to take cuts.
 
That's what's confusing about the Indian Skunk. You'd think Kerala would be pretty close to landrace, and Skunk#1 is a very early simple hybrid - should be clear genetics. I see the lineage of some strains and I think, sheesh what a mess.

It makes sense that hybrids developed in heavy NPK environments would be tailored to thrive on it, while the ones Mother Nature developed would work best with active live soils.

What about the Jamaicans and the drench? What would you do?

Skunk is a complex hybrid: indica with sativa 5 different ways! Cross that with the other thing....who knows? Could be magic, could be meh.....

Your Jamaican looks incredible. If it's not broke, don't fix it......I know it's fun to mess with 'em.....just let the plant grow! It's obviously healthy...super healthy....let the critters in your soil do their thing!
 
Skunk is a complex hybrid: indica with sativa 5 different ways! Cross that with the other thing....who knows? Could be magic, could be meh.....

Your Jamaican looks incredible. If it's not broke, don't fix it......I know it's fun to mess with 'em.....just let the plant grow! It's obviously healthy...super healthy....let the critters in your soil do their thing!

Good point about Skunk#1

And good, you confirmed my instincts - they just don't look like they need anything. Sheesh, Doc, they've only been growing pistils for 24 days, as of the last pics. Oof.
 
Hmm, I was thinking ... SLH was the other strain that did really well for me in mineralized soil, so I looked up the genetics. I must have the indica dom pheno - short, compact, fast. And Jamaican Dream has an indica habit ...

Do indica doms do better in high brix than sativas? So far, from my miniscule sample group, yes.

SLH isn't exactly a pure strain. Maybe it's simply a superb hybrid - keeps winning competitions, after all.
 
Hmm, I was thinking ... SLH was the other strain that did really well for me in mineralized soil, so I looked up the genetics. I must have the indica dom pheno - short, compact, fast. And Jamaican Dream has an indica habit ...

Do indica doms do better in high brix than sativas? So far, from my miniscule sample group, yes.

SLH isn't exactly a pure strain. Maybe it's simply a superb hybrid - keeps winning competitions, after all.

Well, my observations are that almost anything you grow high brix is going to be "sativafied." The sativa traits will express themselves over and above indica traits.

However, both indica's and sativa's will grow very well in high brix soil......but some of the hybrids don't perform as expected.

I haven't done SLH yet.....it's one of my "on deck" strains. It's Super Silver Haze crossed with Lemon Skunk. Mostly sativa, with enough indica to keep it shorter and fast.
 
Just found this thread, I have a Hawaiian Snow going too, the leaf structure looks same as yours, but my buds looks different, only 55-60 days in.

Subbed to see how it finishes!

Welcome Crawdaddy!

I didn't know you had a Hawaiian Snow! At 55 days, mine had just begun to grow pistils, heheh. I didn't find pics in your journal - did I just miss them?
 
Welcome Crawdaddy!

I didn't know you had a Hawaiian Snow! At 55 days, mine had just begun to grow pistils, heheh. I didn't find pics in your journal - did I just miss them?

it is in the Fall 2013 LED Test grow. Plant was over a month old when put into flower, maybe that part of diff.

Plenty of pics in there, doing update every 5 days another tonight. Not to hijack your journal, but here is last set of pics for it, the bud has to be a good 6" long....
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Hawaiian_Snow_Close5.jpg
 
Duh, yeah I coulda looked at both grows. Nice bunch of pics!

Yours looks better than mine. Did you do a heavy defol or did it just grow like that?
 
Duh, yeah I coulda looked at both grows. Nice bunch of pics!

Yours looks better than mine. Did you do a heavy defol or did it just grow like that?

It got topped once (clone taken) that it. Now it has a tomato cage around it cause was falling over. I just been pulling off dead leaves from the bottom. My objective on this test grow was to see how the strains behaved with minimal training.
 
I put mine into 12/12 at 15 days and LSTed it about a week later at 13 inches. It grew like crazy! Odd you mention weak branches - I've been surprised at how strong mine are.
 
Are you growing Tangerine Dream now graytail? I thought I read you had gotten seeds. My Tangerine Dream turned out OK. All my friends love it. The buds are very wispy and the dispensary guys didn't care for that. I had the last round tested for THC and it came up at 8.2%. Not too good. You should grow it and let me know what you think. I kinda think it was as good as it could get with the kit. Taste was awesome as usual.

Did I also read you have some wild Thai going? I've got one that will go into flower soon.
 
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