Graytail's 4th Perpetual: 4x4 Samsung Panels

I think what I can confirm now, from personal experience, is that long sativas do very well if you restrict their roots at the flip, and let them grow naturally. In 3 gallon pots of HB soil, they've been a dream to grow. I've grown 'em to 13, 14, 16 weeks and they've all come out beautifully. I haven't tried no mercy yet - I want to get a good root system in cups and 1 gallon pots first - but I doubt they'd bloom any earlier. I veg for about 7 weeks, and then upcan and flip same day. No plant has grown past 4 feet yet. :slide:

When you let them grow naturally, you get better formed buds, too. My theory is that fluffy sativas don't have the metabolism to grow enough strong stems to support more colas, like indicas can. You end up with a droopy mess of airy buds if you train them. And if you use small pots and let them grow single colas, you can pack them together in a quasi SOG and get similar yield to large pots.

If you could be sure the strain was stable, it might be interesting to run 4 plants per large pot, 10+ gallons. I think four individual plants would do better in our short rooms than one large one.

Thanks for passing along your knowledge, I appreciate it immensely. These are only found by long time
observations so its worth so much more because TIME is the most valuable thing we can spend. I appreciate
the FREE gift of your time
 
Thanks for passing along your knowledge, I appreciate it immensely. These are only found by long time
observations so its worth so much more because TIME is the most valuable thing we can spend. I appreciate
the FREE gift of your time

Danke. Bitte. :Namaste:

I've always been a great fan of facts, as annoying as the little devils can be at times - they confuse the hell out of stuff, y'know? Life is soooo much simpler if you can just ignore a few of them from time to time. But for me, they're always skittering around in the shadows like rats. I know they have to be there somewhere, but I gotta go search and chase n stuff in order to find 'em and shut 'em up. Annoying as all get out. :confused:

And then, like you, I waste a lot of time trying to figure out if people actually know what they're talking about. This forum is kind of like the old apprenticeship system isn't it? We get to watch over someone else's shoulder and learn for real.

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I’ll add my appreciation for the insights too Gray. I have a thing for growing without topping too, so it appeals to me doubly now. I’ll definitely top sometimes still, but will be more inclined towards indicas and hybrids perhaps...

Hope you’re enjoying the fruits of your labor while you’re getting a break from relentless harvests
:Namaste:
 
Some great thoughts there Graytail. I’ll do a quick review of your journal, start to finish, to pick up particulars I may have missed, but I’ve got two plants germinating and I want to get this more right than I have in the past.

Your colas have us all salivating. Here I am again, Mr. Wizard, chasing your methods but using a completely different medium and feed. Lol! I think I’ve figured out how to replicate your results, at least I hope so.

Passing to the left...

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I think what I can confirm now, from personal experience, is that long sativas do very well if you restrict their roots at the flip, and let them grow naturally. In 3 gallon pots of HB soil, they've been a dream to grow. I've grown 'em to 13, 14, 16 weeks and they've all come out beautifully. I haven't tried no mercy yet - I want to get a good root system in cups and 1 gallon pots first - but I doubt they'd bloom any earlier. I veg for about 7 weeks, and then upcan and flip same day. No plant has grown past 4 feet yet. :slide:

When you let them grow naturally, you get better formed buds, too. My theory is that fluffy sativas don't have the metabolism to grow enough strong stems to support more colas, like indicas can. You end up with a droopy mess of airy buds if you train them. And if you use small pots and let them grow single colas, you can pack them together in a quasi SOG and get similar yield to large pots.

If you could be sure the strain was stable, it might be interesting to run 4 plants per large pot, 10+ gallons. I think four individual plants would do better in our short rooms than one large one.
And I really enjoyed reading that.
Tried to add it to a blog I had before forum changed.... Now I can't even find the blog...
Copy and paste somewhere else because I too like growing naturally.
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I have some metrics for the last run. Usually, I run a staggered perpetual grow, but when I started up this time, I just threw everything together and even after the second round, they still came out all at once. That wasn't as much fun as it could have been. :( But it gave me a chance to calculate what the room can actually produce.

I ran 7 plants in 3 gallon pots with an average veg time of 59 days. They bloomed for an average of 72 days and yielded a total of 325 grams, 11.45 ounces. That's an average of 1.64 ounces each and 0.353 grams per day.

I also ran 5 plants in 6 gallon pots with an average veg time of 75 days. They bloomed for an average of 67 days and yielded a total of 597 grams, 21.06 ounces. That's an average of 4.21 ounces each and 0.883 grams per day.

The 3 gallon pots occupy 45 x 23 inches = ~7 sqft

The 6 gallon pots occupy 45 x 30 inches = ~9 sqft

Total yield was 32.52 ounces = 2 ounces/sqft and 1.38 grams/watt.

Ima like the Samsungs.

:):yahoo::bongrip:
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Well... that was a delightful way to spend a quiet afternoon. :battingeyelashes: :green_heart: All caught up again Graytail, and in doing so I took notes that’ll help me going forward.

Damn good yields under those boards you created. You should have enough Carn to keep you going for a time, eh? Yeah...made my heart go pitter-pat just thinking of all those jars. :kisstwo:
 
Well, it's been a few weeks since I posted an update. Frankly, I got a lil ODed on cannabis cultivation. :confused: Harvesting 2 to 3 plants per week loses its charm after awhile, y'know? Sheesh, I barely had a chance to get the feel of one strain, before there's another one to try. So I have a big backlog, heheh.

I'm less impressed with Blue Dream than I thought I would be. It has a great taste and the initial rush is fine - bright and social - but it doesn't fade as well as other strains like it. So, been there now, done that, won't be running Blue Dream again.

I'm not sure how I feel about Raspberry Diesel yet. I need to spend more time with it. I liked it right away, but it sure does stink when you burn it. :bongrip: Makes the house smell like a smoldering rope factory. The raspberry is nice, but Carnival has as much fruit and it doesn't have the afterstink. Dunno - we'll see. I'm revegging it.

The revegged Bluniverse is in bloom now. It's another one I'm not sure about. I think I like Raspberry Diesel better, so this is probably the last time for Bluniverse, too, although I have a cut ready to run as a small plant.

King Gelato was another bust. I'm not used to running these slow indica based strains, and I didn't give it enough veg for a second time. I have seeds, though, so I can always run another one later. I'm more interested in seeing how Afghan Kush x Black Domina turns out. :love: I also have a Goji Pupil, which is Star Pupil by Goji OG.

The UBHazes both turned out very well. This has been a consistently good strain for me - I've probably run it 5-6 times now, each time from a new seed - surprisingly uniform for an F1.

DurBush was a big surprise. I thought it would be a nice normal 10 week strain, like a typical Ciskei or Durban would be. But nope, this one went 99 days and was still happily blooming at the top. And I like it! Again, I haven't gotten a handle on it yet, but it has a very distinctive aroma and a quick rushing high.

I'm dumping Carnival2 and sticking with the better pheno. I still think there's a punchier pheno though, so I'm trying to pop a Carnival3 for the next run.


So, on to the pics!

To start with, here's the revegged Bluniverse at 30 days







I love the way this Carnival pheno stretches and builds its colas.






I have two DeadlySativas from Mass Medical Strains. It's AmnesiaHaze x PrayerTower. PrayerTower is LemonThai x (GreenCrack x TresDawg) so there's some nice genetics in there. :) MassMed says it's a very stretchy strain so I put them into bloom rather small, but DS2 is going to be a shorty and DS1 isn't exactly wild. I like the look of DS1 though, and its clone rooted very well.

DeadlySativa1 - 15 days





DeadlySativa2 - 9 days





This is DCPurple, a seed from the selfed purple DevilsCarnival F2. :slide:





For now, I just have 3 small pots in bloom.

BubbaHash - 28 days






Zam+ - 24 days





And this is DevilsCarnival5. I sprouted it June 5th and kept it stunted until last month. I ended up with way too many tops and it doesn't look like it'll stretch, so this'll be a disappointing one.

DevilsCarnival5 - 24 days





In veg, RaspberryDiesel is revegging ...




GojiPupil - I'm letting this one grow as large as I can in veg - probably get flipped next week.


Bluniverse - had this cutting, so I'm running a small one.


I decided I needed a strong nite-nite strain, so I'm running this one - should be fun.

AfghanKush x BlackDomina


A Carnival1 clone, ready for training.


I'm hoping DurBush will reveg ...


Some cuttings in cups - DeadlySativa2s, GojiPupil, Carn1, BubbHash ..


New seedlings - Y Griega, Destroyer, DeadlySativa1 Cut, and a seed I found harvesting BubbaHash, probably from KingGelato, so I though it'd be interesting to run. I still have a Carnival3 soaking.



A GojiPupil cut that looks like it's taking ...



And no plants to harvest in the next weeks! :yahoo:

:bongrip:

:Namaste:
I might be late but they are all looking great! I will enjoy the end of the show as much as possible!

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Looking good man. Are those Kitty panels?

They are indeed. :slide: They're the 304 diode ones, running under 50 watts with HLG sinks. :bongrip: One of the best decisions I've made recently.
 
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