Graytail's 4th Perpetual: 4x4 Samsung Panels

[Van Stank]

I was going to comment on your BCP, but by the time I was gonna pipe up, the subject had changed. That's a fine looking plant! I love the overhead shot with the bluish tinge of the tops against the rest of the foliage. Gorgeous!

I love the overhead shots. Its one of my favorite ones to take.....and I love the different looks you get from different strains with the different shaped leaves and different structures and different colors. When we move into the new house I am hoping to set up an actual photo area with good lighting and backgrounds to make it look nice. I don't have the room in our current rental so I can't wait. I would like to find a good photographer that is willing to give me free lessons in exchange for some of the subject matter!

And its always nice to have a great model like Neiko's BCP. That thing is definitely a keeper! I have another one moving up the veg ranks. I figure another 25 days until I am smoking on that thing! At least a tester or two!

 

[Duggan]

Yup...i'm still puffin on the BCP...very nice all round smoke. Gave a few testers out to friends....common reply. "it's so smooth"...Great strain...and grown in our soil is top shelf!!

 

[DrDoob]

Yup...i'm still puffin on the BCP...very nice all round smoke. Gave a few testers out to friends....common reply. "it's so smooth"...Great strain...and grown in our soil is top shelf!!

How much stretch did you get? I’ve got one that’s making my Malawi’s stretch look like nothing. The node spacing is very long too.

 

[Duggan]

Hey Doobs...ya with stretch...well, keep in mind bud...i'm running these 4 Sativas right now so....BCP stretch is minimal compared to these ..lol.
The BCP's i ran twice did not stretch too much and were very controllable .It's just a very , very stable strain...really like it, with it's different phenos. I had both ...one is the 'green' pheno , the other , the red/purple one. Easy to tell ...late veg, early bloom and you will be able to see what one's you have. My fav. ...and Neiko's is the green one,..nicer flavor and buzz. Hope this helps man.....

 

[DrDoob]

Hey Doobs...ya with stretch...well, keep in mind bud...i'm running these 4 Sativas right now so....BCP stretch is minimal compared to these ..lol.
The BCP's i ran twice did not stretch too much and were very controllable .It's just a very , very stable strain...really like it, with it's different phenos. I had both ...one is the 'green' pheno , the other , the red/purple one. Easy to tell ...late veg, early bloom and you will be able to see what one's you have. My fav. ...and Neiko's is the green one,..nicer flavor and buzz. Hope this helps man.....

I saw yours didn’t have a ton of stretch. Mine is insane, I’ve had to super crop it a couple times already, it’s only been flowering for two weeks. I didn’t top it though so maybe that has something to do with it. Hope it’s the better pheno.

 

[Graytail]

Well, it's been a few weeks since I posted an update. Frankly, I got a lil ODed on cannabis cultivation. Harvesting 2 to 3 plants per week loses its charm after awhile, y'know? Sheesh, I barely had a chance to get the feel of one strain, before there's another one to try. So I have a big backlog, heheh.

I'm less impressed with Blue Dream than I thought I would be. It has a great taste and the initial rush is fine - bright and social - but it doesn't fade as well as other strains like it. So, been there now, done that, won't be running Blue Dream again.

I'm not sure how I feel about Raspberry Diesel yet. I need to spend more time with it. I liked it right away, but it sure does stink when you burn it. Makes the house smell like a smoldering rope factory. The raspberry is nice, but Carnival has as much fruit and it doesn't have the afterstink. Dunno - we'll see. I'm revegging it.

The revegged Bluniverse is in bloom now. It's another one I'm not sure about. I think I like Raspberry Diesel better, so this is probably the last time for Bluniverse, too, although I have a cut ready to run as a small plant.

King Gelato was another bust. I'm not used to running these slow indica based strains, and I didn't give it enough veg for a second time. I have seeds, though, so I can always run another one later. I'm more interested in seeing how Afghan Kush x Black Domina turns out. I also have a Goji Pupil, which is Star Pupil by Goji OG.

The UBHazes both turned out very well. This has been a consistently good strain for me - I've probably run it 5-6 times now, each time from a new seed - surprisingly uniform for an F1.

DurBush was a big surprise. I thought it would be a nice normal 10 week strain, like a typical Ciskei or Durban would be. But nope, this one went 99 days and was still happily blooming at the top. And I like it! Again, I haven't gotten a handle on it yet, but it has a very distinctive aroma and a quick rushing high.

I'm dumping Carnival2 and sticking with the better pheno. I still think there's a punchier pheno though, so I'm trying to pop a Carnival3 for the next run.


So, on to the pics!

To start with, here's the revegged Bluniverse at 30 days

Bluniverse Reveg - 30 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Bluniverse Reveg - 30 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Bluniverse Reveg - 30 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Bluniverse Reveg - 30 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Bluniverse Reveg - 30 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

I love the way this Carnival pheno stretches and builds its colas.

Carnival1 - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Carnival1 - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Carnival1 - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Carnival1 - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

I have two DeadlySativas from Mass Medical Strains. It's AmnesiaHaze x PrayerTower. PrayerTower is LemonThai x (GreenCrack x TresDawg) so there's some nice genetics in there. MassMed says it's a very stretchy strain so I put them into bloom rather small, but DS2 is going to be a shorty and DS1 isn't exactly wild. I like the look of DS1 though, and its clone rooted very well.

DeadlySativa1 - 15 days

DeadlySativa1 - 15 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DeadlySativa1 - 15 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DeadlySativa1 - 15 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DeadlySativa1 - 15 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DeadlySativa2 - 9 days

DeadlySativa2 - 9 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DeadlySativa2 - 9 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DeadlySativa2 - 9 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

This is DCPurple, a seed from the selfed purple DevilsCarnival F2.

DCPurple - 9 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DCPurple - 9 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DCPurple - 9 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

For now, I just have 3 small pots in bloom.

BubbaHash - 28 days

BubbaHash - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

BubbaHash - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

BubbaHash - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

BubbaHash - 28 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Zam+ - 24 days

Zam+ - 24 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Zam+ - 24 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Zam+ - 24 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

And this is DevilsCarnival5. I sprouted it June 5th and kept it stunted until last month. I ended up with way too many tops and it doesn't look like it'll stretch, so this'll be a disappointing one.

DevilsCarnival5 - 24 days

DevilsCarnival5 - 24 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DevilsCarnival5 - 24 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

DevilsCarnival5 - 24 days

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

In veg, RaspberryDiesel is revegging ...

RaspberryDiesel reveg

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

RaspberryDiesel reveg

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

GojiPupil - I'm letting this one grow as large as I can in veg - probably get flipped next week.

GojiPupil

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Bluniverse - had this cutting, so I'm running a small one.

Bluniverse

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

I decided I needed a strong nite-nite strain, so I'm running this one - should be fun.

AfghanKush x BlackDomina

AfghanKush x BlackDomina

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

A Carnival1 clone, ready for training.

Carnival1

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

I'm hoping DurBush will reveg ...

DurBush reveg

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Some cuttings in cups - DeadlySativa2s, GojiPupil, Carn1, BubbHash ..

Cuts

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

New seedlings - Y Griega, Destroyer, DeadlySativa1 Cut, and a seed I found harvesting BubbaHash, probably from KingGelato, so I though it'd be interesting to run. I still have a Carnival3 soaking.

Seedlings

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

Seedlings

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

A GojiPupil cut that looks like it's taking ...

GojiPupil

• Graytail
• Nov 7, 2018

And no plants to harvest in the next weeks!

 

[Weaselcracker]

I grew one of those Afghan x BD’s once and it was super nice. A really beautiful chunky plant. Wish I’d revegged it.
What Carnival phenos have you observed? For some reason I never thought much about different phenos in that strain. Seems like most of the ones I’ve noticed have looked about the same. I’ve got another nine seeds to get rid of maybe I should try some more. Very happy with the one I have been growing though

 

[Graytail]

I've seen 2 main phenos pretty consistently. One is taller and takes longer and it's the better one if you want the speedy buzz. The shorter pheno isn't as bright. But it also doesn't feel like this one I've been running is as punchy as my first one a few years ago.

That first one didn't run 11 weeks though - it was done in 10 weeks. I don't mind though, if it yields like this one does - got 5.4 ounces out of the last one.

 

[Graytail]

I have some metrics for the last run. Usually, I run a staggered perpetual grow, but when I started up this time, I just threw everything together and even after the second round, they still came out all at once. That wasn't as much fun as it could have been. But it gave me a chance to calculate what the room can actually produce.

I ran 7 plants in 3 gallon pots with an average veg time of 59 days. They bloomed for an average of 72 days and yielded a total of 325 grams, 11.45 ounces. That's an average of 1.64 ounces each and 0.353 grams per day.

I also ran 5 plants in 6 gallon pots with an average veg time of 75 days. They bloomed for an average of 67 days and yielded a total of 597 grams, 21.06 ounces. That's an average of 4.21 ounces each and 0.883 grams per day.

The 3 gallon pots occupy 45 x 23 inches = ~7 sqft

The 6 gallon pots occupy 45 x 30 inches = ~9 sqft

Total yield was 32.52 ounces = 2 ounces/sqft and 1.38 grams/watt.

Ima like the Samsungs.

 

[Weaselcracker]

I've seen 2 main phenos pretty consistently. One is taller and takes longer and it's the better one if you want the speedy buzz. The shorter pheno isn't as bright. But it also doesn't feel like this one I've been running is as punchy as my first one a few years ago.

That first one didn't run 11 weeks though - it was done in 10 weeks. I don't mind though, if it yields like this one does - got 5.4 ounces out of the last one.

Oh cool. Makes me think I have the less speedy pheno. So that gives me room to explore the other nine seeds. More speedy is what I want. As much as I like the strain I do feel a little trace of indica cloud and munchies with it. Mine is a really nice plant though. Seems to yield really well, with big fat heavy buds all over it that seem happy and healthy even if they probably shouldn’t be. The kind of buds that don’t ask questions- they just shut up and grow nicely.

 

[AngryBird]

You have been a buzy bee haven't you?!
It is wonderful to see reveg growing and budding up.
That is something I have in the back of my mind, to try one day.
Feels good to have a bit more spare time?
So, this is a good time to sit back and get the feeling of "love growing" back
Ladies look good.

 

[Graytail]

Oh cool. Makes me think I have the less speedy pheno. So that gives me room to explore the other nine seeds. More speedy is what I want. As much as I like the strain I do feel a little trace of indica cloud and munchies with it. Mine is a really nice plant though. Seems to yield really well, with big fat heavy buds all over it that seem happy and healthy even if they probably shouldn’t be. The kind of buds that don’t ask questions- they just shut up and grow nicely.

I don't ever recall a Carnival being fussy, and I think I've run 4? seeds now, and many clones of each. That's part of what's so cool about it. It grows like any other easy boring hybrid, but the buzz is sumpin else!

You have been a buzy bee haven't you?!
It is wonderful to see reveg growing and budding up.
That is something I have in the back of my mind, to try one day.
Feels good to have a bit more spare time?
So, this is a good time to sit back and get the feeling of "love growing" back
Ladies look good.

My bee's exhausted.

I did a successful reveg years ago, but the following one didn't work and I lost faith in it, but now I'm having pretty good luck. Part of the secret is not letting the darned thing bloom until the very end - gotta harvest when it's still alive and vibrant.

I had a moment of clarity today when I realized that the bloom room isn't crammed full of needy plants. *sigh* And I'll have young ones to care for soon. I've had it with the mature girls for the time being. Bluniverse isn't due until mid December.

Thanks.

 

[AngryBird]

Thanks.

I'll gladly take that of your hands, surely need one.... Alot of organising in my "fly to elsewhere". Lots of foot work.
neeext....

 

[Neiko]

Nice haul Gray. Man I'm with ya on the burn out. I've been seriously considering taking a break. I got so far behind it would have been easier to let everything finish and shut it down but I finally spent most of last weekend in the room getting caught up so I feel a little better. When a bunch of plants finish at the same time it gets old real fast. The other motivating factor to push through was the wonderful new strains I've harvested lately. I like them a lot.
I flipped my Deadly sativa on Sunday, I hope it isn't too big of a stretcher, I let it get bigger than I wanted to.

 

[Graytail]

Well, I have two distinctly different DeadlySativa phenos, and they were different from the very start. Because they're regulars, I popped two of them and they both sprouted nicely and one immediately outgrew the other one - stretched twice the stem length before growing leaves. So I figure, I have one of each, right? The tall one kept the looser growth and the short one stacked nodes. But by the time they were ready to get out of the cups, they were growing at about the same rate, and when they preflowered, they both put out pistils.

So I checked the genetics again and ... I don' see any shorties in there. There's some indica in the GreenCrack and all the Chem in the TresDawg ... maybe it's a heavy Chem leaner?

So, It'll be fun to see the difference. Neither one of them is a problem stretcher, and they got plenty of veg time. DS1 got 76 days and DS2 got 82 days. Maybe there's a third pheno that stretches?

" Expect large yields and tall plants. A shorter veg time means quicker turnaround, because these plants have a very productive stretch period when flowering is induced. "

So we'll see what you drew. I love the genetics, and my tall one is a joy to grow. The cut easily rooted in bare soil too, all bright and shiny 2 weeks later.

 

[Gazoo]

I have some metrics for the last run. Usually, I run a staggered perpetual grow, but when I started up this time, I just threw everything together and even after the second round, they still came out all at once. That wasn't as much fun as it could have been. But it gave me a chance to calculate what the room can actually produce.

I ran 7 plants in 3 gallon pots with an average veg time of 59 days. They bloomed for an average of 72 days and yielded a total of 325 grams, 11.45 ounces. That's an average of 1.64 ounces each and 0.353 grams per day.

I also ran 5 plants in 6 gallon pots with an average veg time of 75 days. They bloomed for an average of 67 days and yielded a total of 597 grams, 21.06 ounces. That's an average of 4.21 ounces each and 0.883 grams per day.

The 3 gallon pots occupy 45 x 23 inches = ~7 sqft

The 6 gallon pots occupy 45 x 30 inches = ~9 sqft

Total yield was 32.52 ounces = 2 ounces/sqft and 1.38 grams/watt.

Ima like the Samsungs.

I like it

the 6 gallon pots returned
21.06 oz in 9 sq ft @ 142 days
= 2.34 oz per sq ft
or 0.148 oz per day

the 3 gallon pots returned
11.45 oz in 7 sq ft @ 131 days
= 1.63 oz per sq ft (11 days shorter time line)
or 0.087 oz per day (timeline factored in)

 

[Graytail]

I like it

the 6 gallon pots returned
21.06 oz in 9 sq ft @ 142 days
= 2.34 oz per sq ft

the 3 gallon pots returned
11.45 oz in 7 sq ft @ 131 days
= 1.63 oz per sq ft but 11 days shorter time line

The small ones are still lagging though. And the data is somewhat skewed because I ran longer sativas in the small pots.

I'm bothered by the total space occupied, though. The whole idea is that I have these extra inches of depth that I don't need. Stuffed, the room can hold 9 large 6 gallon pots - 3 rows of 3. But I can put 8 small pots in the back row instead of 3 large ones. That way I can run variety in the small ones and production in the big pots. But the back row ends up taking 7 sqft, only leaving 9 for the big ones - throws off the ratios a bit.

What blows me away is the total yield. I've never come close to that before. It's gotta be the increased canopy depth from the panels.




[Edit] Now that I think about it, the small pots are 10 inches, so I could say they only use 45 x 20 inches, making it 6.25 sqft, and the actual total space is 45 x 53 which is 16.56 sqft, so that leaves 10.31 for the big pots.

The big ones are 14 inches, so if the depth is two 14 inchers and two 10 inchers, that's only 48 inches with 5 to spare. If I spread that evenly, I get 31 inches for the big ones and 22 for the small ones. That's 6.875 sqft and 9.688.

So that's 2.174 and 1.665 oz/sqft. Only a little better. The timing is so tricky on the small ones. It's easy to flip too early.

Shorter plants have a shallower canopy, too ... I bet that's it - the sativas do well - gotta grow the indicas taller.

 

[Mr. Magoo]

Like the metrics Graytail! Love that pupil girl. She caught my eye! Enjoy the break!

 

[Gazoo]

The small ones are still lagging though. And the data is somewhat skewed because I ran longer sativas in the small pots.

I'm bothered by the total space occupied, though. The whole idea is that I have these extra inches of depth that I don't need. Stuffed, the room can hold 9 large 6 gallon pots - 3 rows of 3. But I can put 8 small pots in the back row instead of 3 large ones. That way I can run variety in the small ones and production in the big pots. But the back row ends up taking 7 sqft, only leaving 9 for the big ones - throws off the ratios a bit.

What blows me away is the total yield. I've never come close to that before. It's gotta be the increased canopy depth from the panels.




[Edit] Now that I think about it, the small pots are 10 inches, so I could say they only use 45 x 20 inches, making it 6.25 sqft, and the actual total space is 45 x 53 which is 16.56 sqft, so that leaves 10.31 for the big pots.

The big ones are 14 inches, so if the depth is two 14 inchers and two 10 inchers, that's only 48 inches with 5 to spare. If I spread that evenly, I get 31 inches for the big ones and 22 for the small ones. That's 6.875 sqft and 9.688.

So that's 2.174 and 1.665 oz/sqft. Only a little better. The timing is so tricky on the small ones. It's easy to flip too early.

And this all only works if the girls cooperate
Its a balancing act in so many ways.

I suspect the bigger yield is due to your Panels as well again nothing stays the same very long
in our grows but its fun to see just how much we can tweak things for better results

the 6 gallon pots returned
21.06 oz in 9 sq ft @ 142 days
= 2.34 oz per sq ft
or 0.148 oz per day

the 3 gallon pots returned
11.45 oz in 7 sq ft @ 131 days
= 1.63 oz per sq ft (11 days shorter time line)
or 0.087 oz per day (timeline factored in)

 

[Graytail]

I think what I can confirm now, from personal experience, is that long sativas do very well if you restrict their roots at the flip, and let them grow naturally. In 3 gallon pots of HB soil, they've been a dream to grow. I've grown 'em to 13, 14, 16 weeks and they've all come out beautifully. I haven't tried no mercy yet - I want to get a good root system in cups and 1 gallon pots first - but I doubt they'd bloom any earlier. I veg for about 7 weeks, and then upcan and flip same day. No plant has grown past 4 feet yet.

When you let them grow naturally, you get better formed buds, too. My theory is that fluffy sativas don't have the metabolism to grow enough strong stems to support more colas, like indicas can. You end up with a droopy mess of airy buds if you train them. And if you use small pots and let them grow single colas, you can pack them together in a quasi SOG and get similar yield to large pots.

If you could be sure the strain was stable, it might be interesting to run 4 plants per large pot, 10+ gallons. I think four individual plants would do better in our short rooms than one large one.