Graytail's 3rd: 4x4, HiBrix, Latest LED Tech, Lots Of Light!

[Duggan]

Gray....wow brotha...everything looks peachy ....well, not everything. Your Desfran looks terrible Gray, sorry pal, but it does. A lot of yellowing leaves already with prolly more than 6 weeks left to go . It's not gonna make it.? How big a pot is she in again pal? That pheno is a lil different than my three.When I looked at her about 6 weeks ago here ,she looked good and you were training her really nice for a very productive finish. Your right , I'm afraid Gray....not a favourable pheno....rats eh! That's ok though cuz all your others look quite fantastic and I'm sure you spend a fair bit of time just staring at them smiling! Hope I wasn't too harsh Gray...have an awesome weekend my brotha!

 

[Graytail]

Gray....wow brotha...everything looks peachy ....well, not everything. Your Desfran looks terrible Gray, sorry pal, but it does. A lot of yellowing leaves already with prolly more than 6 weeks left to go . It's not gonna make it.? How big a pot is she in again pal? That pheno is a lil different than my three.When I looked at her about 6 weeks ago here ,she looked good and you were training her really nice for a very productive finish. Your right , I'm afraid Gray....not a favourable pheno....rats eh! That's ok though cuz all your others look quite fantastic and I'm sure you spend a fair bit of time just staring at them smiling! Hope I wasn't too harsh Gray...have an awesome weekend my brotha!

I tol' ya she was yoogly. Next time I see one of these fluffies in veg I'm gonna toss 'er straight into bloom - screw the training! I'll take cuts, and if I like it I'll run a few in a SOG. Or I'll run it in a 15 gallon pot. My 6 gallons can't finish a fluffy sativa.

I've also been having high temps in the bloom room. It'll just be a few more days and they'll be back in the low 80s - high 80s/low 90s now.

 

[Spitz]

Speechless

Agreed

 

[Bangabong]

Wow!!! Been awhile since I last visited your grow and it is looking yummy! That Desfran just may be a leaf dropping pheno. It still has potential.

 

[Conradino23]

This Desfran looks like pure Thai or something. I think it could be some great smoke if she's eager to finish in your conditions. Obviously not the best pheno for indoor growing.

 

[Duggan]

This Desfran looks like pure Thai or something. I think it could be some great smoke if she's eager to finish in your conditions. Obviously not the best pheno for indoor growing.

Mornin Gray and Conradino....ya it looks like that eh Conrad. Pure something anyhow. looks like she's gonna take a lot longer to finish too.
Wish there was a better way to weed out these pheno's for our indoor grows. I would have liked to see Gray with one of the "fast " phenos of this strain....like you said though ...if she can finish proper in that little pot she'l be good , no doubt! Cheers guys and have an awesome Saturday!

 

[Conradino23]

Guys, I've been wondering what your Desfran has to do with original Destroyer and whatnot, and after hitting just few threads online you can figure it by yourself. Dutch Passion just knocked off Cannabiogen's genetics doing S1 on the clone which has been developed in Argentina, and that's why they write it's Destroyer x Destroyer. Cannabiogen really serves as distributors of many rare strains not doing much breeding like Ace does. Anyway, S1 is technically F2 and that's why many phenos pop up so often. With Destroyer as F1 you have 3 phenos, and here you're gonna have 5-7 at least.

 

[PotChimp]

Wow thanks for posting that I was wondering why I S1'ed GDP and got an almost 100% Purple Urkel offspring from one of the seeds.

 

[Duggan]

Guys, I've been wondering what your Desfran has to do with original Destroyer and whatnot, and after hitting just few threads online you can figure it by yourself. Dutch Passion just knocked off Cannabiogen's genetics doing S1 on the clone which has been developed in Argentina, and that's why they write it's Destroyer x Destroyer. Cannabiogen really serves as distributors of many rare strains not doing much breeding like Ace does. Anyway, S1 is technically F2 and that's why many phenos pop up so often. With Destroyer as F1 you have 3 phenos, and here you're gonna have 5-7 at least.

Conradino...i knew you'de come thru pal....that's excellent info , thanks ! That makes perfect sense cuz ya, there appears to be at least four diff. phenos, so far of Desfran....my three and the one Gray has going. They're all different . I see a fast , medium, slow, and then Gray's example ,perhaps almost pure Thai as you said earlier. My fav. so far is the fast one. She's a brute and wait till ya all see her colas ,indoors to boot. Cheers eh.

 

[Graytail]

Guys, I've been wondering what your Desfran has to do with original Destroyer and whatnot, and after hitting just few threads online you can figure it by yourself. Dutch Passion just knocked off Cannabiogen's genetics doing S1 on the clone which has been developed in Argentina, and that's why they write it's Destroyer x Destroyer. Cannabiogen really serves as distributors of many rare strains not doing much breeding like Ace does. Anyway, S1 is technically F2 and that's why many phenos pop up so often. With Destroyer as F1 you have 3 phenos, and here you're gonna have 5-7 at least.

I apologize for just asking instead of doing my own research, but S1s produce more phenos than F1s? With F1s, you're introducing an entirely different gene pool ...

These Desfrans are entirely unlike Cannabiogen's Destroyer, that's for sure! It's odd that all the phenos have a very strong sativa expression while Destroyer is very much like a hybrid. Dutch Passion must have purposely selected for the Meao Thai genetics.

 

[Graytail]

I found an interesting NIH study on the distribution of cannabinoids in S1s and F1s and F2s.

They crossed a high THC strain with a high CBD strain and tracked the resulting percentage ratios. Oddly enough, CBD increased dramatically in all offspring while THC remained relatively stable. Interesting. I wonder how my Blue Blood x Buddha Haze stacks up.. The study would suggest that the Blue Blood's high CBD concentration is present in the offspring.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1462421/pdf/12586720.pdf

I jarred the last of it and got another 36 grams, so that's 75 grams total, over 184 days = 0.408 grams/day. That's not awful. I've been smoking it and it's good enough - not terribly high in THC, but I can detect some possible CBD analgesic effects. It smells and tastes like ... lotion?? That's a first for me.

 

[DrZiggy]

Have any of you grown the same seeds in both HB soli and non HB soil? IMO, the soil brings out the genetically healthier and stronger phenos despite the low chance of doing so if grown out of HB soil or in the wild.
When a full spectrum of minerals and nutes are available to the plant or animal the stronger genetic potential is possible.

I grow several unknown seeds each grow. Its awesome getting Forrest Gump strains
i grew a WW in HB soil that a friend grew in nonHB soil...same seed pack. Both were WW but way different ..im not talking the weird one that grew like Dr. Grisbens seeds..mine was way richer smelling, tasting and effect..way more enjoyable across the spectrum.
..and the plants were in my friends tent..i was responsible for my own plant.
my friend agreed with my opinion.

 

[Major PITA]

Ziggy-

I'm growing from clones but the cuttings were taken from the same plants. One each in HB (but roots are through the pots into non-HB soil), and one each in my regular organic soil. I'm looking forward to comparing the differences. So far I can't see a difference. Brix measurements are about the same. My last reading was a solid 20. The real results are still about 2 months away (flavor, potency, etc.).

At least they all have the same: grower, light, water, pots and environment. The only differences are the soil and feeding.

 

[SweetSue]

I found an interesting NIH study on the distribution of cannabinoids in S1s and F1s and F2s.

They crossed a high THC strain with a high CBD strain and tracked the resulting percentage ratios. Oddly enough, CBD increased dramatically in all offspring while THC remained relatively stable. Interesting. I wonder how my Blue Blood x Buddha Haze stacks up.. The study would suggest that the Blue Blood's high CBD concentration is present in the offspring.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1462421/pdf/12586720.pdf

I jarred the last of it and got another 36 grams, so that's 75 grams total, over 184 days = 0.408 grams/day. That's not awful. I've been smoking it and it's good enough - not terribly high in THC, but I can detect some possible CBD analgesic effects. It smells and tastes like ... lotion?? That's a first for me.

Lotion? There's a taste we all look for in our snob weed. Lets hope it surprises you with something a bit tastier after some curing time.

Decent take Graytail. You make this look awfully easy you know.

 

[Graytail]

Lotion? There's a taste we all look for in our snob weed. Lets hope it surprises you with something a bit tastier after some curing time.

Decent take Graytail. You make this look awfully easy you know.

LOL, growing a plant like that BHxBB is easy! The tough part is growing one that doesn't turn all yellow and ugly before it finishes.

 

[SweetSue]

LOL, growing a plant like that BHxBB is easy! The tough part is growing one that doesn't turn all yellow and ugly before it finishes.

It's not always about pretty Graytail. We don't grow them for the leaves. Who told me that???? . Says the woman obsessed with growing pretty plants.

 

[Conradino23]

I apologize for just asking instead of doing my own research, but S1s produce more phenos than F1s? With F1s, you're introducing an entirely different gene pool ...

These Desfrans are entirely unlike Cannabiogen's Destroyer, that's for sure! It's odd that all the phenos have a very strong sativa expression while Destroyer is very much like a hybrid. Dutch Passion must have purposely selected for the Meao Thai genetics.

It seems that culling out male in extending any given line brings out recessive traits in progeny which start popping up as they would do in F2 although many breeders or growers say there's also a difference in vigour. The latter one is hard for me to say, but the first one is true cause it was confirmed in practice. A lot depends here on how stable an IBL was. If a strain was cubed and stabilized then S1 will throw just minimal number of phenos like 2-3, but if unstable F1 was selfed then you can expect much more. A complicated subject anyway, so I suggest doing your own research

 

[DrZiggy]

isn't it quite possible the seed bank effed up and added a strange seed to a pile of different seed. someone pops one of those...voila, strain x has y phenotype..

i found seeds after sampling different ACE buds recently and wasn't 100% sure which strain they were. I started my own Z'ACE Mixed Seeds..so when i want to take a chance with growing a surprise, i will start a few of them.

 

[Graytail]

It seems that culling out male in extending any given line brings out recessive traits in progeny which start popping up as they would do in F2 although many breeders or growers say there's also a difference in vigour. The latter one is hard for me to say, but the first one is true cause it was confirmed in practice. A lot depends here on how stable an IBL was. If a strain was cubed and stabilized then S1 will throw just minimal number of phenos like 2-3, but if unstable F1 was selfed then you can expect much more. A complicated subject anyway, so I suggest doing your own research

This makes sense to me. I was thinking of commercial strains, which have usually been stabilized before releasing for sale, although I've had plenty of rouge phenos from them, too. So in that case, you'd have well-established dominant genes, and an S1 should be very stable. An S1 from an F1 would be much wilder.

isn't it quite possible the seed bank effed up and added a strange seed to a pile of different seed. someone pops one of those...voila, strain x has y phenotype..

i found seeds after sampling different ACE buds recently and wasn't 100% sure which strain they were. I started my own Z'ACE Mixed Seeds..so when i want to take a chance with growing a surprise, i will start a few of them.

I've even wondered about the pollinator - how certain can you be? I have some seeds in my BHxBB and I have no idea where the pollen came from. I never saw a nanner on it or any other plant in the room. So ... was it leftover from the last plant with pollen, months earlier? When we get some weird pheno, maybe someone carried some other pollen into the area ... ?


[Edit] After mulling it over ... perhaps Dutch Passion found a very Thai pheno of Destroyer and S1'ed it. That would explain the Thai dominance in all the phenos, unlike Destroyer.

 

[Graytail]

Another week, time for another update!

Orange Hill Special is ready for the chop. She's still pushing white pistils, but it's slowing for a pause and I want to take this one on the early side. - it's not as sativa as most of my others and I want to preserve the brightest buzz. I was surprised at how hard the buds are! I hadn't done any test squeezes until today when I took a good preharvest examination. My goodness, this one has some beefy buds! - a good lil Skunk. I'll cut it and trim it tomorrow.


Orange Hill Special - 158 days old - 63 days 12/12 - 55 since pistils

The heat wave has passed and Desfran is still reasonably alive. It got thoroughly toasted, so most of the leaves are goners by now, but it's still making calyxes with trichs on 'em, so ... for the time being, she lives. My wife calls her the "Tim Burton pheno".

Desfran - 152 days old - 62 days 12/12 - 47 since pistils

Tikal is fully into bloom and is starting to reek of some fruity aroma. It didn't take the heat very well, but I like the early trich production and it's going to be a fairly hefty yield. She got her first Cat drench today directly after Energy 4 days ago.

Tikal - 153 days old - 47 days 12/12 - 37 since pistils.

The BH crosses are both pretty impressive at this point but I'm really starting to like the xDestroyer. I noticed for the first time today, that it's giving off that same blueberry scent that my Destroyer had. It's fading while xNexus isn't, but I like the structure of the plant for some reason.

Buddha Haze x Destroyer - 131 days old - 34 days 12/12 - 23 since pistils

Buddha Haze x Nexus - 126 days old - 34 days 12/12 - 23 since pistils

The newest residents of the bloom room, UHxCarn and OHSCut1, are boringly healthy for the time being ...

Utopia Haze x Carnival - 66 days old - 6 days 12/12

Orange Hill Special Cut1 - 69 days old - 6 days 12/12

I upcanned three today - Carnival, Tikal1 and BHxUH. I'm going to LST Tikal, since she got so stretchy already, and because of the alternating nodes. I actually did it already, but I didn't get pics - looks good. BHxUH will get topped and probably Carnival, too.

Tikal Cut1 - 63 days old

Buddha Haze x Utopia Haze - 55 days old

Carnival - 50 days old

DrGrinspoon will have to wait until next week - nice bushy thing so far.

Channel+, Tikal2 and Y Greiga ...

The UHxCarn and OHS cuts from last week ...

And a new addition, another Carnival!