I'm just going to get in where I fit in and start from here if you don't mind Pita.
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I'm just going to get in where I fit in and start from here if you don't mind Pita.
That's the thing that gives me pause, too. They're so stocky, they don't look that big ...
But you sure have enough roots now to upcan, so ... I don' see a downside.
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Based on the feedback, I've come to an executive decision.
Rescue drench and flip tomorrow. Up-can ASAP, once sex is determined.
Thank you all!
Rescue drench and flip tomorrow. Up-can ASAP, once sex is determined.
Thank you all!
From the looks of the roots, etc. I'd say a flush/rescue drench combo is in order.
Deeply soak the pots in RO, as it drains out, pour another quart to half gallon slowly down the top....let it drain, tilting the pots this way and that to get the perched water table out.
Let them dry out, then do a rescue drench.
That should fix 'em.
Deeply soak the pots in RO, as it drains out, pour another quart to half gallon slowly down the top....let it drain, tilting the pots this way and that to get the perched water table out.
Let them dry out, then do a rescue drench.
That should fix 'em.
Governmentchz
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A little off the subject, but what would happen if you failed to score the roots when upcanning?
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I've transplanted non-cannabis before w/o scoring the roots. They still do fine, but they take longer to grow into the bigger pots and there is a little more defined "layer" of the old soil rootball and the new roots. These did have their rootballs scored when moved into their current pots.
I did a thorough flush this morning, and I'm flipping them even though they are small and sad. Once they dry out a little I'll give them the rescue drench. Once I can sex them, the final four will go into the 7 gal. pots. It will likely be about two weeks to know if this grow will be worth finishing.
What do you think about the fabric pots? They have air pruned roots so I don't think scoring will really work. Has anyone with fabric pots just gone from the 1 gallon to the big pots and seen good root growth without scoring?
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I've never up-potted from fabric pots. In my limited experience, the roots grow into and through the fabric. Seems like it could make for a difficult removal. I'd be interested to hear if others have been able to do it w/o problems.
My plan was to just plant the whole pot into the larger one with the fabric still there. Thugh I have removed the fabric before, in fact I did that this morning when I transplanted some into some medium sized containers for seed making plants. It didn't seem too harsh on the roots. I wasn't too worried as the plants will just be for seeds and I wanted the fabric pots to upcan some of my rooted clones.
Governmentchz
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Upcanning from 1 gal fabric pots is a breeze. Maybe not as quick as sliding the root ball out of a plastic pot, but easy enough. The roots will not grow through the sides (at least mine never have) if they aren't touching something. They WILL however grow into the bottom of the pot and kind of get peeled off. I start by letting them get really dry. That way the soil ball is hard like a cork. Then I pinch the bottom edge of the pot and kind of scoot out the plant. Once you get the roots on the bottom loose, it comes out easy. Going from bigger pots can be a ROYALpita (Major's cousin from across the pond...some of you may know him too).
You can set a smaller fabric pot right into (or onto) a bigger pot or a pile of soil and the roots will grow right through. No problems.
SmokeyMcFly
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Yup, I never score the roots with my root builder pots and they end up just fine. Normal pots end up with roots growing in a circle. Without scoring they want to continue growing in the circle they were trained to grow in. Instead of filling the new pot with roots the plant will eventually strangle itself and die.
GL with the rescue and up can
GL with the rescue and up can
I've done this before by setting whatever size fabric pot I'm using on the same diameter base than rolling the fabric over and down the length of the pot and with no real damage being done to the root system. It sure beats trying to remove them like one would from a plastic container where the plant normally just slips out with a little pressure being put on the sides and I learned first hand by losing a couple of small plants in the past. Ya live, ya learn!
NematodeNate
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I've done this before by setting whatever size fabric pot I'm using on the same diameter base than rolling the fabric over and down the length of the pot and with no real damage being done to the root system. It sure beats trying to remove them like one would from a plastic container where the plant normally just slips out with a little pressure being put on the sides and I learned first hand by losing a couple of small plants in the past. Ya live, ya learn!
I agree with that.......before I figured out rolling them down is the way to go......I just cut a slit down the side and threw them away.......
SmokeyMcFly
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They make transplanter 1 gal softies that have a slit up the side that over laps to make them easier to transplant out of. I'm using them on this grow but haven't got to the point of up potting out of them yet.
You would get a substandard rootball and problems. It's very important.
Yup, I never score the roots with my root builder pots and they end up just fine. Normal pots end up with roots growing in a circle. Without scoring they want to continue growing in the circle they were trained to grow in. Instead of filling the new pot with roots the plant will eventually strangle itself and die.
GL with the rescue and up can
Ya Smokey....me too pal...I have never scored the roots either! I use "rootbuilder" pots as well. The roots grow completely different in them. They don't circle...the roots just head for the holes in the pots ...they then get air pruned and become very fiberous and non -circling. I can take my plants out at harvest and use the 26 gal. rootballs as bowling balls....and not lose any of the soil. I love the rootbuilders for that reason. I remember before I started using them , a couple plants got root aphids in reg. nursery pots....bad , bad , bad...the lil buggers would chew thru a main feeder root...all the roots beyond that would die off very quickly. Ever since then I use rootbuilders and swear by them. I'm not saying stop scoring your roots ...but I know that with these pots it matters, not! Cheers gang!
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I wish.
They perked up slightly after the flush, but were back to drooping a day later. They are also getting lighter and more yellow. They look like they need 'N' badly and they also have what appears to be other nute' deficiencies - like 'P'. I'm still hopeful the rescue drench will turn things around but the soil in the pots is too wet. It will likely be Saturday or Sunday before they dry out enough to drench again.
I would have backups started. I am not a fan of waiting for girls to recover if they are really struggling. I guess that's why my vegetative is always 10 times too big! She who looks best gets to go 12/12!