Grape Ape & Golden Tiger Hit the Shower - DBHBB & 600W HPS - Winter 2016

Major,....well, did ya ....how the girls look today? Broken...hurtin...surviving!
 
Weekend Update (week #12)
39 days since flip to 12/12, 30 days from first pistils​


Time to air more dirty laundry and it may be time to turn in my grow card. I can't seem to keep this round on track. I've gone over my notes repeatedly, but can't figure out what is going wrong. As always, suggestions are welcome.

The Tigers are unlike anything I've grown before, so I don't know exactly what to expect. The buds are filling in slowly and new buds are forming, so I feel OK about them. However, the newer leaves are stunted and flabby-looking. Other than that, both appear to be on track and are doing pretty well considering I broke their backs 5 days ago. They have no HB shine and are not deep green. Sorry - it is hard to tell their color. I did not pull them out of the shower so the pic's are yorange.

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This is my real problem child = GASS #2. This plant that has not had a Cat drench. By now it may be too late but I'm not sure. In my last update I noticed a few leaves were lighter than the rest but figured she would bounce back with a GE drench. Now I don't know what to make of it. I could do yet another rescue drench, but I don't understand why two plants are acting so differently. I probably should have given this one the Cat at the same time as the other so I'd have an identical situation. Cat drench is the only difference in how they've been treated but the yellowing started on GASS #2 well before any Cat drenches on #1.

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The buds look OK on her.
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Here is the other GASS (#1). She has had two Cat drenches - the second just last night.
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Why one GASS is dark green and glossy, but the other is fading fast, is a mystery to me. Is Cat drench the answer? Seems unlikely. The other thing that is odd; neither plant has much smell. I have a smaller GASS plant I am re-vegging to use outside this summer. She is a very stinky little girl even though she has only a few tiny buds that grew while flipping back to veg mode. When I bump her it smells like we have a pet skunk in the house.

These are a couple of Zamaldelica(+) and a Panama(+) I have in the shower. Once sexed, they will come back inside to veg also and wait for warm weather.
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Major, when did this soil start to give you issues?
-is it possible one of the kit ingredients was contaminated with another kit ingredient? how old are the kit ingredients? most will last 1-2 years, no? if kept cool and dark..
i've caught myself almost back pouring from my measuring spoon to the container without rinsing in between. Now if i over pour I spill it out.
Im assuming your environment(temps -night and day/ rH, pots off floor, timers, lights, etc is as close to 'excellent' as possible..
Go GTs!
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Bearing in mind that this opinion comes from a guy who is apparently unable to turn out blooming plants that don't yellow ... :cheesygrinsmiley:

When I saw the plant, my instinct was that it needed a good shot of Trans/Tea. But that's essentially a Cat drench without the Ammonials. So ... yeah ... go with the Cats, maybe double up on the Tea? Same soil, same strain, looks like the same pheno ... :hmmm:

Might as well follow the one clear variable ...

I've always just stepped my way through the schedule despite the fade. I rarely solve the issue, but the produce turns out fine, if not pretty. :laugh:
 
DrZiggy said:
Major, when did this soil start to give you issues?
-is it possible one of the kit ingredients was contaminated with another kit ingredient? how old are the kit ingredients? most will last 1-2 years, no? if kept cool and dark..
i've caught myself almost back pouring from my measuring spoon to the container without rinsing in between. Now if i over pour I spill it out.
Im assuming your environment(temps -night and day/ rH, pots off floor, timers, lights, etc is as close to 'excellent' as possible..
Go GTs!
:thumb:
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This round of soil has been problematic from the very beginning. It is second round soil. I held back a couple of gallons of it for germinating all the seeds since I new I needed to start them before this batch would be fully cooked. All seeds sprouted great then all went limp and yellow after being above ground for a week or so. I assumed the soil was "used up". I up-potted into 1 gal pots of fully cooked DBHBB and things looked OK for another week or two. Then they did the same thing: yellow, droopy. I did the rescue drench and moved them into 7 gal sooner than I wanted, but I had to do something or watch them die. They went OK until about a week and a helf ago.

I'm as sure as I can be my kit ingredients are not contaminated. I go out of my way to clean everything that is used with the drenches and foliars. All ingredients are kept cool and dark, Most are a couple months old (new purchase). I do have a little Tea I've used left over from my summer grow. It is about 1 year old. I have Transplant in bulk that is about 6 months old.

My environment is as good as I can make it. I won't call it ideal but I do run 72 - 80 degrees with pots off the floor (which is insulated). RH is my biggest struggle. running from 30% to 60%. But all environmental conditions are identical for all of them. That's what throws me. Two plants acting very differently. They are all from seed and GASS are an F2 hybrid. They look the same, grow the same and would be nearly identical in appearance other than the yellowing.

NematodeNate said:
Hey major r the GASS from the same cut? I remember some strains like blue dream yellow this early.....mine didn't but some have.....she looks awesome other than the yellow leaves.......maybe she is super hungry? Interested to hear more opinions......
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No cuttings this time. All from seed. Her last feeding was GE (7.5 ml + 1.75 ml Trans + 1 ml Tea). Since the plants are small and in 7 gal pots, I can't drench too often if I give them a thorough drenching). All roots looked great when they were up-potted. It looks like a severe 'N' deficiency to me.
 
Major....have both #1 and #2 been getting equal amounts of Transplant? (other than what's in the CD) or just GE Drenches. I think some growers forget to Drench with Transplant and not just GE. Doc told me right from the start that GE and Transplant work best when each one is used alternately when giving "Drenches". Plain water twice between then another Drench. Back at the start we didn't give 1/4 Trans all the time between Drenches...just water.Lets try and get this little issue figured out. :surf:
 
duggan said:
Major....have both #1 and #2 been getting equal amounts of Transplant? (other than what's in the CD) or just GE Drenches. I think some growers forget to Drench with Transplant and not just GE. Doc told me right from the start that GE and Transplant work best when each one is used alternately when giving "Drenches". Plain water twice between then another Drench. Back at the start we didn't give 1/4 Trans all the time between Drenches...just water.Lets try and get this little issue figured out. :surf:
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All drenches and foliars were identical up until the Cat drench. This is my feeding schedule and amounts (per plant, each in 7 gal of soil):
1) GE drench = 7.5 ml GE + 1.75 ml Trans + 1 ml Tea
2) 1/4 Transplant water = 1.75 ml Trans + 1 ml Tea
3) Transplant drench = 7.5 ml Transplant + 1 ml Tea
4) 1/4 Transplant water (as above)
REPEAT
My goal was to feed slightly on the high side, but IDK at this point. The only other thing I can think of is, since the plants are small they only get about one drench per week.
 
Well, to me that all sounds very correct and must be that CD then. Have ya thought about hitting #2 ?
 
duggan said:
Well, to me that all sounds very correct and must be that CD then. Have ya thought about hitting #2 ?
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I plan on it for its next drench. Unfortunately, that will be several days out - like Friday.

The thing is, the one that is fading, started doing so before the other one ever saw a Cat drench. For that reason I doubt CD is the answer. Otherwise the other GASS should have been fading, too.
 
DrZiggy said:
Is your water supply( and contents) the same as before?
something is askew...
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I hope so! I drink the stuff. :cheesygrinsmiley:
Since it is from our well, the hardness can vary a little from about a low of 100 ppm up to a high of 130 ppm. Other than that, PH ranges from 7.0 to 7.1 and there is zero chlorine. Should be OK - better than most.

I have a feeling the problem is in the soil itself. The plants that were grown in it the first time faded hard toward the end. It's like these plants picked up right where they left off even after the amendment was added. The other thing that is weird now that I think of it is, no Recharge has been added to the soil. They've been in these pots for less than 4 weeks but maybe the soil is out of gas. The fading started about two weeks ago.
 
Major PITA said:
I hope so! I drink the stuff. :cheesygrinsmiley:
Since it is from our well, the hardness can vary a little from about a low of 100 ppm up to a high of 130 ppm. Other than that, PH ranges from 7.0 to 7.1 and there is zero chlorine. Should be OK - better than most.

I have a feeling the problem is in the soil itself. The plants that were grown in it the first time faded hard toward the end. It's like these plants picked up right where they left off even after the amendment was added. The other thing that is weird now that I think of it is, no Recharge has been added to the soil. They've been in these pots for less than 4 weeks but maybe the soil is out of gas. The fading started about two weeks ago.
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Ding!!! Thats probably it :)
 
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DrZiggy said:
Major, were the previous residents in the soil heavy feeders?
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I don't know. They were Pitbull and Ace of Spades. It was my first time growing them, and my first time with both soil types used. :loopy:
 
AH ha! Soil out of gas...pots too small...plants too big. That's so obvious , but ya all know how i feel about this! Big pots = less worry. Cheers and good night Major and Ziggs.:Namaste:
 
Ewc...? dunno.
 
What...i thought i just read that he did add the amendment....? Well, that's it if it wasn't added, for sure. The soil is just out of gas.
 
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