I dont grind material when i make oil, i cool at room temp with tin foil covering my cookie sheet of trim/popcorn.
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The man has spoken KJ...hahahaha Let's move on please...
Just the way i do it, im sure there's other ways to do it successfuly
No I just want the best recipe so I'll try this one some time myself I also was using it for edibles lady.. not oil ,so not sure if makes a difference or not .
You still want the trichomes to be as intact as you can.
Butter and oil are pretty much the same to me. .
Hey lady can you decarb fresh buds and still get the same result?? Also i would love to know how to make oil by stovetop in a pan!
Heeeey, my buddy Toasty, YES, the best potency you could ever get in the whole wide world of oil dosing is using FRESH HARVEST botanicals. My last batch was fresh harvest, and you will encapsulate the most terpenes and achieve the highest potency this way, even after decarbing. Way more than using dried, cured herb. It was the best meds I have ever taken.
I can pretty well guarantee you Toasty that you will reach a potency you can't really buy in dispensaries cause it would be so darn expensive. When really you want the highest potency to heal the most chronic, acute and terminal medical conditions.
This is way I do my oil for my brain rehabilitation oil protocol right now. I highly recommend it, and would love to watch Grandpa one day grow his own meds to make oil.
PS...duuuuude, BTW don't fine grind your bud before you decarb, you need those trichomes to stay in tact as much as you can in order to extract the terpenes for medical oil. Just in case you read KJs note...
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While I am sure there are many ways of doing it, I just need one that works for me, as GH says. How could I doubt Sweet Sue's method? That being said, although I will try that first, I will most likely try a lot of other different ways. I need to find The Sweet Spot. Thanks again to all of you for this information that have been posted already and will be posted. Good night all and God bless!
Thank you, I want to give you the basics, then you will make it your own. Just like I did, PW did, Therma did, and all the fine people who will learn from reading these posts. Gniiite Grandpa & Kelley.
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Quick report. Temp is at 81, rH reads at 36%. jaws is now standing up straight and proud. We will now back off the water for her, and let her tell us what she needs and when. Obviously, we will also keep an eye on the condensation on top of the cup. I think I remember someone saying that it is a Telltale sign that if there is no condensation, then she will need water.
If there is condensation then you don't need to water. When there is no condensation, you need to consider some watering.
Hello Grandpa & Kelley, this is a dynamic duo worth recognizing.
While I was helping Toasty make his stove top oil today, I was writing out some basics to help you both move on with the decarb, dosing and ingredients path you're already succeeding at. I have to say, that making oil is actually easier than growing in my opinion...lol. Just saying, once you do the whole process you feel like you could jump over the moon.
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Decarboxylation for Dosing THC/CBD EVOO Oil Comments:-
*Use a cookie tray to spread your botanicals out as evenly as possible for consistency. I remember you telling me that you use a muffin tin (clever) and put the herb and oil in the same muffin mold for 20 mins. What would you think of using the same muffin tin to decarb first so you don’t have to mess up more dishes? First put your bud in your molds, all equal size.
*Sweet Sue and I have used this formula as a foundation (Decarb first, "230 F for 110 min for 1 ounce of botanicals, 2 cups of oil”). Grandpa, if you are using minute amounts, please adjust the decarb time accordingly because you don’t want to burn it. Keep in mind, eventually you want the oil to smother the herb to maximize your potency, which is what you want to experiment with until you reach your desired effects.
*To those of you using stalks, although they are totally usable, from my experience you may want to cut them down smaller so you get through the thick skin. Also, you don’t want the stalks to cut through the cheesecloth when you strain your oil. Be careful, avoid using stalks if you don’t have the right tools to do this safely. The less labour to make oil, the less chance of making a mistake.
*Take out as many stems as possible, this could possibly puncture cheesecloth and leak plant material into your strained oil.
*DECARB WARNING – no matter whether you cover your decarb tray in the oven, the smell will fill up your place moderately. Having windows open helps. Doing this at night when people are sleeping is what I do. There are toys out there that do the decarb for you like “Nova” and masks the smell but they are over your budget, nothing wrong with the oven, I use it. But it’s good you know there are 420 cooking inventions to help people with disabilities like you and me to get the best bang for our buck. If you want to research more you can look up the MB2 which is what I use to make my CCO.
*THE SMELL - There will a remarkable robust smell coming from the decarb almost like chestnuts when they are roasted, turns the herb into a full body aroma that is not mistakable. Like a properly roasted cup of coffee, the aroma grabs you by the nose and drool commences. You will smell it and it’s devine. That is a great nasal way to know you’ve reached your desired decarb result.-The smell travels from your botanicals to roasted herb and that process tells you your meds are ready for your oil.
*The decarbed botanicals do not become hot, they are warm to touch and that’s it. But please wear oven gloves at all times, you already know that, but in case someone else is reading that hasn’t done this process.
*Take your tray that started out green, and is now turned to a crumble of brown herb, and cover it with foil when you’re done as you prepare for the next step. The decarb will cool down almost instantly but the tray may retain heat, cool that tray down. Again, please everyone be careful – not a hard process to do, but anything can happen.
*When you take it out, let it cool on the counter, put foil on top if you’re leaving it for a while. I’m then recommending you add your carrier oil in the same muffin molds to make it easier for you. Don’t want any accidents, pour cleanly, we don’t want any Yorkshire pudding mistakes…lol. Mmmm
*Then when your tin is room temperature, it’s ready to add, 2 teaspoons of carrier oil per 1 teaspoon of decarbed herb. Try that ratio see how it works out. Your goal - you want your oil to be brown, but if it gets darker it becomes more potent, which I personally like. I feel you can always take smaller doses of your oil, even if it’s high potency.
*I don’t have tons of money to be fiddling around with lighter doses. I just exercise micro dosing and problem solved, attack the pain not the wallet. This is where I feel the medical system does us a disservice. Pharma robs us patients blind with pain blockers because they really only address the symptoms not the actual diagnosis.
*Leaves and buds take different amounts of time to decarb, based on different shapes and density. Make sure your buds are no bigger than a thumb print if you're doing a big amount, break it down by hand, do not grind, because you want the trichomes intact because of the healing terpenes it contains.-Preferably, you end up with a crumble.
*At the end, the decarb material should literally crumble between your fingers thus allowing the oil to breakdown this material evenly. Easy for you to feel consistency Grandpa, easy for Kelley to see and feel the results of the browned herb. The oil is going to breakdown this plant matter even further.
*If you are making various butter and/or food sprinkle recipes, sometimes it calls for full emulsion where they grind the herb. Even though decarb processes rarely vary, the handling of the product and the quality of your product will drastically impact your potency for concentrated cannabis oil. Butter you’re going for flavor profiles. Dosing Oil you are going for potency profiles, in my personal opinion. Both are handling Cannabinoids & Flavonoids just in different carrier oils, but you need more terpenes to be intact for dosing oil because of the pure medicinal value we need.
*I now grow individual plants for bud, and individual plants for oil. I prefer to use trim, popcorn bud and some primo bud. I like to use the whole plant instead of just part. But if you’re only able to buy bud, you don’t have a choice. But as a grower, you can start looking ahead to harvest time and look forward to using most of your plant for oil. Minimal waste for Kelley to deal with too. One basic oven extraction process for trim, leaf and buds altogether which equals meds for BOTH Kelley and Grandpa.
*THC will address global pain. CBD will address global inflammation. Longer dosing schedules have better results. BOTH TCH & CBD must be partners as they work together to address your symptoms. That’s why it’s good to get a strain that has a 1:1 ratio so you have enough of both compounds to feel better overall when you have more than one medical condition.
*Voila!
----------------more info on ingredients to experiment--------------------
*If you move into capsules and dosing schedules one day, I would encourage you to research lecithin. you know that Lecithin is used for “Lecithin is a fat that is essential in the cells of the body. It can be found in many foods, including soybeans and egg yolks.-Lecithin is taken as a medicine and is also used in the manufacturing of medicines as a natural binder. Lecithin is also used for treating memory disorders such as dementia and Alzheimer's disease.”
*Bet you didn’t know that.-Yet another brain aid to help with address Neuro Degenerative Diseases. Why don’t they prescribe this to us in the medical field instead of prescribing brain meds that have deadly side effects? Rhetorical question, just wanted to prove that there are more brain benefits than we know in making healing medicinal oil.
*Organic Omega 3 enriched Organic, Extra Virgin, Olive Oil,-to help keep my blood pressure down and start building brain cells at a faster rate than the brain degeneration. Ingredient directly medically recommended by doctors for Neuro Genesis. Doctors can’t argue this.-
ORRR
*Organic Coconut Oil that is directly used for headaches, migraines, ALZ, FTD and Brain Cell Regeneration that Doctors recommend as well for overall mental health.
*Grandpa now that you have the basics, I’m moving on now to your other oil method request, and also strain recommendations.
*I do have to put in a disclaimer, I do have brain challenges and learn by using screenshots, so please ask for clarification if you don’t understand because I make a lot of mistakes, comes with the territory.
You will also receive more advice and recipes cause 420 family is awesome, only modify your processes to your situation only.
BIG 420 HUGS to you both. I'll be back later in the week...
While I was helping Toasty make his stove top oil today, I was writing out some basics to help you both move on with the decarb, dosing and ingredients path you're already succeeding at. I have to say, that making oil is actually easier than growing in my opinion...lol. Just saying, once you do the whole process you feel like you could jump over the moon.
----------------------------
Decarboxylation for Dosing THC/CBD EVOO Oil Comments:-
*Use a cookie tray to spread your botanicals out as evenly as possible for consistency. I remember you telling me that you use a muffin tin (clever) and put the herb and oil in the same muffin mold for 20 mins. What would you think of using the same muffin tin to decarb first so you don’t have to mess up more dishes? First put your bud in your molds, all equal size.
*Sweet Sue and I have used this formula as a foundation (Decarb first, "230 F for 110 min for 1 ounce of botanicals, 2 cups of oil”). Grandpa, if you are using minute amounts, please adjust the decarb time accordingly because you don’t want to burn it. Keep in mind, eventually you want the oil to smother the herb to maximize your potency, which is what you want to experiment with until you reach your desired effects.
*To those of you using stalks, although they are totally usable, from my experience you may want to cut them down smaller so you get through the thick skin. Also, you don’t want the stalks to cut through the cheesecloth when you strain your oil. Be careful, avoid using stalks if you don’t have the right tools to do this safely. The less labour to make oil, the less chance of making a mistake.
*Take out as many stems as possible, this could possibly puncture cheesecloth and leak plant material into your strained oil.
*DECARB WARNING – no matter whether you cover your decarb tray in the oven, the smell will fill up your place moderately. Having windows open helps. Doing this at night when people are sleeping is what I do. There are toys out there that do the decarb for you like “Nova” and masks the smell but they are over your budget, nothing wrong with the oven, I use it. But it’s good you know there are 420 cooking inventions to help people with disabilities like you and me to get the best bang for our buck. If you want to research more you can look up the MB2 which is what I use to make my CCO.
*THE SMELL - There will a remarkable robust smell coming from the decarb almost like chestnuts when they are roasted, turns the herb into a full body aroma that is not mistakable. Like a properly roasted cup of coffee, the aroma grabs you by the nose and drool commences. You will smell it and it’s devine. That is a great nasal way to know you’ve reached your desired decarb result.-The smell travels from your botanicals to roasted herb and that process tells you your meds are ready for your oil.
*The decarbed botanicals do not become hot, they are warm to touch and that’s it. But please wear oven gloves at all times, you already know that, but in case someone else is reading that hasn’t done this process.
*Take your tray that started out green, and is now turned to a crumble of brown herb, and cover it with foil when you’re done as you prepare for the next step. The decarb will cool down almost instantly but the tray may retain heat, cool that tray down. Again, please everyone be careful – not a hard process to do, but anything can happen.
*When you take it out, let it cool on the counter, put foil on top if you’re leaving it for a while. I’m then recommending you add your carrier oil in the same muffin molds to make it easier for you. Don’t want any accidents, pour cleanly, we don’t want any Yorkshire pudding mistakes…lol. Mmmm
*Then when your tin is room temperature, it’s ready to add, 2 teaspoons of carrier oil per 1 teaspoon of decarbed herb. Try that ratio see how it works out. Your goal - you want your oil to be brown, but if it gets darker it becomes more potent, which I personally like. I feel you can always take smaller doses of your oil, even if it’s high potency.
*I don’t have tons of money to be fiddling around with lighter doses. I just exercise micro dosing and problem solved, attack the pain not the wallet. This is where I feel the medical system does us a disservice. Pharma robs us patients blind with pain blockers because they really only address the symptoms not the actual diagnosis.
*Leaves and buds take different amounts of time to decarb, based on different shapes and density. Make sure your buds are no bigger than a thumb print if you're doing a big amount, break it down by hand, do not grind, because you want the trichomes intact because of the healing terpenes it contains.-Preferably, you end up with a crumble.
*At the end, the decarb material should literally crumble between your fingers thus allowing the oil to breakdown this material evenly. Easy for you to feel consistency Grandpa, easy for Kelley to see and feel the results of the browned herb. The oil is going to breakdown this plant matter even further.
*If you are making various butter and/or food sprinkle recipes, sometimes it calls for full emulsion where they grind the herb. Even though decarb processes rarely vary, the handling of the product and the quality of your product will drastically impact your potency for concentrated cannabis oil. Butter you’re going for flavor profiles. Dosing Oil you are going for potency profiles, in my personal opinion. Both are handling Cannabinoids & Flavonoids just in different carrier oils, but you need more terpenes to be intact for dosing oil because of the pure medicinal value we need.
*I now grow individual plants for bud, and individual plants for oil. I prefer to use trim, popcorn bud and some primo bud. I like to use the whole plant instead of just part. But if you’re only able to buy bud, you don’t have a choice. But as a grower, you can start looking ahead to harvest time and look forward to using most of your plant for oil. Minimal waste for Kelley to deal with too. One basic oven extraction process for trim, leaf and buds altogether which equals meds for BOTH Kelley and Grandpa.
*THC will address global pain. CBD will address global inflammation. Longer dosing schedules have better results. BOTH TCH & CBD must be partners as they work together to address your symptoms. That’s why it’s good to get a strain that has a 1:1 ratio so you have enough of both compounds to feel better overall when you have more than one medical condition.
*Voila!
----------------more info on ingredients to experiment--------------------
*If you move into capsules and dosing schedules one day, I would encourage you to research lecithin. you know that Lecithin is used for “Lecithin is a fat that is essential in the cells of the body. It can be found in many foods, including soybeans and egg yolks.-Lecithin is taken as a medicine and is also used in the manufacturing of medicines as a natural binder. Lecithin is also used for treating memory disorders such as dementia and Alzheimer's disease.”
*Bet you didn’t know that.-Yet another brain aid to help with address Neuro Degenerative Diseases. Why don’t they prescribe this to us in the medical field instead of prescribing brain meds that have deadly side effects? Rhetorical question, just wanted to prove that there are more brain benefits than we know in making healing medicinal oil.
*Organic Omega 3 enriched Organic, Extra Virgin, Olive Oil,-to help keep my blood pressure down and start building brain cells at a faster rate than the brain degeneration. Ingredient directly medically recommended by doctors for Neuro Genesis. Doctors can’t argue this.-
ORRR
*Organic Coconut Oil that is directly used for headaches, migraines, ALZ, FTD and Brain Cell Regeneration that Doctors recommend as well for overall mental health.
*Grandpa now that you have the basics, I’m moving on now to your other oil method request, and also strain recommendations.
*I do have to put in a disclaimer, I do have brain challenges and learn by using screenshots, so please ask for clarification if you don’t understand because I make a lot of mistakes, comes with the territory.
You will also receive more advice and recipes cause 420 family is awesome, only modify your processes to your situation only. BIG 420 HUGS to you both. I'll be back later in the week...
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Wow, GH! Thanks so much for putting so much work in for li'l old us! That is an awesome and detailed explanation you gave. We will definitely try that out! I love the idea of doing it all in one pan. I forwarded your post to Kelley and we'll save a copy to my own phone.
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God I love this forum!!!! You all are so helpful and intelligent. I live in America and you just dont see people all working together.. Like chiefs instead of like Indians.. What I mean is I feel like this is a plane is full of pilots and to-be pilots. Like that "two heads are better than one".. We have all of our heads focused in on a common goal, and the sharing ... The info sharing warms my heart. Seems like in many other endeavours people tend to.."protect their trade secrets" and it holds humanity back. Growtohealme we need more people like you teaching,you clearly care.. And grandpa if everyone listened , retained, and applied knowledge the way you do we would be smarter as a whole. Keep it up guys! Woohoo! Love it!!!
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HS...i'm blessed for sure!
BP...we live in the United States as well. California to be precise. And I 100% agree with everything you said. Thank you for your compliment to me, I just try to retain enough to learn. The way I look at it, the more I can retain and learn, the more I can impart that knowledge to others not as knowledgeable.
BP...we live in the United States as well. California to be precise. And I 100% agree with everything you said. Thank you for your compliment to me, I just try to retain enough to learn. The way I look at it, the more I can retain and learn, the more I can impart that knowledge to others not as knowledgeable.
Amen. Probably because our government and media are too successful at playing us all against each other.... we treat strangers across the world better than our neighbors, community members, and countrymen.
it's a sad time. I have faith that some people can see through the facade, and will be the ones who successfully reunite the great people of America.- Thread starter
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Quick report...
Temp = 82°
rH = 36%
Jaws seems to be growing well, her four bottom Leaves out and happy. Emma and Elsa are approximately the same, with the bud sites may be getting more productive. All in all, everything seems fine. No one seems to need any water at this point.
Temp = 82°
rH = 36%
Jaws seems to be growing well, her four bottom Leaves out and happy. Emma and Elsa are approximately the same, with the bud sites may be getting more productive. All in all, everything seems fine. No one seems to need any water at this point.
Great stuff gramps. Great to hear things are looking up for you guys. Best wishes