Gorilla Zkittlez

[oldsmokey]

I think you're on the right track now Kimber. Soon you won't be need to weigh them you will be able to tell just from tilting the pot.

 

[hawk4200]

Every time I weigh these bloody things they weigh less, indicating they still have water in. I would have watered them around 10 hours ago in the past. But they’ve lost over 10 grams. on each pot through out the day. Some are even drooping slightly, but they are still loosing weight each time I weigh them. It’s killing me not watering them but I won’t do it until they are ready. Has made me realize just how early I’ve been watering them in the past.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT ME AND PC ADDICT GREW 4 GORILLA GLUE ZITTLE LAST SUMMER AND AND AMNESIA HAZE A AUTO IN 5 GAL GEO POTS FABRIC THEW GREW UP UNTIL ABOUT 2 WEEKS BEFORE HALLOWEEN AND WE GOT OUR FIRST FROST AFTER WE HARVESTED WE WEIGHT IT IT ALMOST A POUND BUT I LIKE TO WET TRIM AND HANG DRY BUT HE LIKE S THE SLOW METHOD .WE SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE WI GOT ABOUT 2 GOOD OZ OF FREE SMOKE OTHER THAN THE COST OF SUPPLY'S BUT RIGHT NOW I 5 3 GEN G.G ZITTLES CLONES THAT R STATING TO FLOWER ON CHRISTMAS SO I GOT ABOUT 9 WEEKS OR SO SO I SHOULD GET A BIGGER YIELD THIS TIME I HAVE 2 NEW CLONES FOR SPRING THAT R RELY HEALTHY I'M THING ABOUT PUTTING IN 500 TO 1000 GAL FABRIC POT AND GROW A TREE IN THE SPRING GOOD IDEA !!!!!!!!

 

[Kimber015]

I think you're on the right track now Kimber. Soon you won't be need to weigh them you will be able to tell just from tilting the pot.

Yeah I feel a lot more confident with them now thanks to the both of you. Really appreciate the help so far, I’m sure I’ll have plenty of questions through out, just ignore me if I waffle on

 

[Kimber015]

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT ME AND PC ADDICT GREW 4 GORILLA GLUE ZITTLE LAST SUMMER AND AND AMNESIA HAZE A AUTO IN 5 GAL GEO POTS FABRIC THEW GREW UP UNTIL ABOUT 2 WEEKS BEFORE HALLOWEEN AND WE GOT OUR FIRST FROST AFTER WE HARVESTED WE WEIGHT IT IT ALMOST A POUND BUT I LIKE TO WET TRIM AND HANG DRY BUT HE LIKE S THE SLOW METHOD .WE SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE WI GOT ABOUT 2 GOOD OZ OF FREE SMOKE OTHER THAN THE COST OF SUPPLY'S BUT RIGHT NOW I 5 3 GEN G.G ZITTLES CLONES THAT R STATING TO FLOWER ON CHRISTMAS SO I GOT ABOUT 9 WEEKS OR SO SO I SHOULD GET A BIGGER YIELD THIS TIME I HAVE 2 NEW CLONES FOR SPRING THAT R RELY HEALTHY I'M THING ABOUT PUTTING IN 500 TO 1000 GAL FABRIC POT AND GROW A TREE IN THE SPRING GOOD IDEA !!!!!!!!

I wish I could extend my times for as long as yours. Due to my space I’m limited to around 6 weeks veg maximum. I’d love to grow a plant for months in veg to then flower a monster. I’ve just taken a look at yours, they are huge compared to when I flipped mine, I’ve attached a picture of mine when they were flipped, at just 32 days old. I can only imagine the insane yield yours are going to produce. My bad for the lights being on, I took these for personal use, I never intended to post these photos.

 

[oldsmokey]

And your in good hands with Emilya in your corner now!

 

[hawk4200]

Finished drying my previous GZ, 8 plants. 24 ounces, first grow, extremely happy

NICE

 

[Kimber015]

You have done great then, and you surely built some new roots by taking it down this low!

Hey @Emilya

So just a few questions to ask if that’s ok.

So I watered 5 yesterday. On my picture you can see which ones as they have ticks on them. 3 of them which were drooping are still drooping. I did read up on your journal about watering that it’s common to resolve over watering over 2/3 waterings, it doesn’t happen immediately, so just wanted to confirm this is normal they have perked up yet. The yellow spots haven’t got any worse though.

I’ve continued weighing the 5 which haven’t yet been watered, it seems like I’ll be watering some of them today when checking the weights of them as they are nearing the same weight as a pot I made up of just fresh dry soil.

I will be repotting them all tomorrow to 20 litre fabric pots.

Last grow I used plastic buckets. I put 2 layers of stones in the bottom to allow for drainage. I saw when reading your thread you were using some fabric pots your self back in 2016. Do you have a step by step on how to set this up? Such as adding some type of drainage, do I have to make bigger holes in the bottom like I did with the plastic buckets?

My last question is regarding watering plants which have just been repotted. I really want to start these off on a positive note once they are repotted and follow your instructions strictly, in regards to watering once I’ve moved them to their final home. I did see you went into some detail in regards to repotting, I’d just like to confirm it and wondered if anything had changed since your 2016 postings in that journal. It was good to see you had such positive things to say about the fabric pots as well with the root ball, I’m glad I’ve changed to these now.

 

[Emilya Green]

Hey @Emilya

So just a few questions to ask if that’s ok.

So I watered 5 yesterday. On my picture you can see which ones as they have ticks on them. 3 of them which were drooping are still drooping. I did read up on your journal about watering that it’s common to resolve over watering over 2/3 waterings, it doesn’t happen immediately, so just wanted to confirm this is normal they have perked up yet. The yellow spots haven’t got any worse though.

I’ve continued weighing the 5 which haven’t yet been watered, it seems like I’ll be watering some of them today when checking the weights of them as they are nearing the same weight as a pot I made up of just fresh dry soil.

I will be repotting them all tomorrow to 20 litre fabric pots.

Last grow I used plastic buckets. I put 2 layers of stones in the bottom to allow for drainage. I saw when reading your thread you were using some fabric pots your self back in 2016. Do you have a step by step on how to set this up? Such as adding some type of drainage, do I have to make bigger holes in the bottom like I did with the plastic buckets?

My last question is regarding watering plants which have just been repotted. I really want to start these off on a positive note once they are repotted and follow your instructions strictly, in regards to watering once I’ve moved them to their final home. I did see you went into some detail in regards to repotting, I’d just like to confirm it and wondered if anything had changed since your 2016 postings in that journal. It was good to see you had such positive things to say about the fabric pots as well with the root ball, I’m glad I’ve changed to these now.

Roots that have been underwater for an extended time will encase themselves in a protective coating that will need to be decomposed before the roots get back to work full time after seeing some oxygen. The only solution for this is patience. Give it 3 wet dry cycles to come back to full strength.
I am glad that I caught you before repotting. Please do not use the stones in the bottom. This is one of those persistent pieces of bad advice out there that claims it helps your drainage... and it does nothing of the sort... and actually makes the situation at the bottom much worse. Because of capillary action between the roots, the sides and the bottom and then those rocks, that region will NEVER dry out. Trust the soil... it has a specific flow through and drainage rate built right into its composition. Many of us add 20% perlite to our soils to help with this, but the rocks are just a bad idea, plus they use up valuable container space that could have been filled with something much more nutritious. So fabric pots do not need any extra drainage... water can escape from anywhere if it wants to.

 

[Kimber015]

Roots that have been underwater for an extended time will encase themselves in a protective coating that will need to be decomposed before the roots get back to work full time after seeing some oxygen. The only solution for this is patience. Give it 3 wet dry cycles to come back to full strength.
I am glad that I caught you before repotting. Please do not use the stones in the bottom. This is one of those persistent pieces of bad advice out there that claims it helps your drainage... and it does nothing of the sort... and actually makes the situation at the bottom much worse. Because of capillary action between the roots, the sides and the bottom and then those rocks, that region will NEVER dry out. Trust the soil... it has a specific flow through and drainage rate built right into its composition. Many of us add 20% perlite to our soils to help with this, but the rocks are just a bad idea, plus they use up valuable container space that could have been filled with something much more nutritious. So fabric pots do not need any extra drainage... water can escape from anywhere if it wants to.

Ok that’s good to know, I’ll continue being patient with them and just ensuring they are dry before I give them any water.

I’m so glad I asked you this, they actually have the stones in ready, I’ll get them removed before I put the soil in and repot my plants. Maybe I should have told you that my little pots also have stones in, I’m sure you’ll be shaking your head at me reading that. Lesson learned, no stones, trust the soil.

The only thing I’m not sure on is the water schedule for the first week once I’ve repotted. I believe on your journal it says to saturate the soil, which may take up to around 7 days for a 5 gallon pot to dry out. However after 3-4 days I may have to just give it a small top water just to soak the top few inches.

Thank you for your help so far

 

[Emilya Green]

I believe on your journal it says to saturate the soil, which may take up to around 7 days for a 5 gallon pot to dry out. However after 3-4 days I may have to just give it a small top water just to soak the top few inches.

perfect!

 

[Kimber015]

I repotted for the first ever time today. The 1st grow I had help and just watched. Due to watering patterns half were still a tad wet from the previous watering, the other half were nearly all dried out. I found it a lot easier with the recently watered ones.

2 had to be left behind as I only grow 8 in the tent. I had planned to do some topping with these to try it out, especially as I had no plan to flower them. While I did repot these into a slightly larger container than they were in, they both don’t look to healthy. One had a really week stem which had the plant tilting, one was around 4-5 days behind the rest, but was germinated and planted at the same time. I’ll see how they progress, but it may be a poor experiment due to unhealthy plants. These aren’t a priority anyway.

Back to the 8 now repotted into the 20 litre fabric pots. I’ve added a photo of the roots on one, they were all very similar. I was using stones in the small pots as drainage, hence the bottom of the roots in the photo.

The whole repotting went well, I was a little short on soil by around 2 litres, so I had to use the some soil of what I was using in the small pots, but fresh out of the bag. The majority of the soil is biobizz allmix.

I’ve added adjust a wings to the grow room. I’ve added a couple fans as I didn’t use fans previously ( hanging an oscillating fan is not as easy as I expected). New 20 litre fabric pots instead of the 10 litre buckets. I think that’s the changes.

I’m following @Emilya watering guide, so I saturated the soil and will only give a small amount to the top in a few days once it appears dry. A full watering will be given once they are completely dried out. I gave them all 2 litres of 6.2/6.5 ph water, no nutrients. My last grow was watered daily with just 1 litre a day, so it’ll be odd not watering daily and watering twice the amount, maybe more.

So far plants are looking ok, couple dropped a little bit, I was very gentle so hopefully no problems arise from this. Lights are 600w, 2 of them. 18/6 is my light schedule. I expect to flip in around 2 weeks depending on growth. The new adjust a wings have given me less height to work with as they are so big and when raised near the top they get close to my filter and extract fan.

I plan to start adding calmag in a weeks time. It was around 2 weeks into the bigger pots I received deficiency’s last time. But I’ll be adding half dose at first.

I’m trying to take pictures with hps off, I just don’t have another light to use in the room and my flash on my phone makes them appear lightly coloured. All photos were taken before watering.

 

[oldsmokey]

They look good Kimber they we're definitely ready to be up potted just be patient with watering. I wouldn't add Cal mag unless they show signs of needing it. You could cause more problems by adding it if it's not needed.Here is an update photo of mine day 17.

 

[Kimber015]

They look good Kimber they we're definitely ready to be up potted just be patient with watering. I wouldn't add Cal mag unless they show signs of needing it. You could cause more problems by adding it if it's not needed.Here is an update photo of mine day 17.

Thanks, yours are looking awesome, remind me, are you doing any lst? Mine are at 3-4 nodes, I just guess with the smaller pots and the extremely close T5 light I was using it’s kept mine quite short. I’m hoping they’ll have a bit of a growth spurt soon as I’d like to flower in 2 weeks time.

I usually run my hps at 10/12 inches but they are at 14 inches and the strap won’t go any lower, last time I used string right up until near the end when I switched to the straps, so I hadn’t noticed they wouldn’t reach that low. Hopefully it doesn’t cause too much of a stretch.

I’ve read a real mixed review on cal Mag, so it was something I was meant to ask. I’ve seen it won’t cause a problem adding it even without a defeciency and why wait for a deficiency to show, while others have said it can cause problems giving it when the plant isn’t showing a deficiency, I also seem to see a huge number on this forum using it when they’ve not had a deficiency so I’m confused with this.

The main reason I wanted to use it on this grow is because I suffered badly with the deficiency last grow just 2 weeks into flower and I lost a lot of fan and sugar leaves through it. I was away when it began meaning by the time I found it what it was, picked up a bottle it’d suffered for around a week. Because these plants are in the same environment and the same strain, my thinking was these would be the same.

Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, it’s just my train of thoughts.

 

[oldsmokey]

Hi Kimber yes I will be doing LST will start In about a week. The calmag is your call I don't like adding unless the plant shows a need for it. Your on tap water not using LED so at low risk IMHO. Are you sure it was calmag deff not something else. They should be happy in the new Potts!

 

[Kimber015]

Hi Kimber yes I will be doing LST will start In about a week. The calmag is your call I don't like adding unless the plant shows a need for it. Your on tap water not using LED so at low risk IMHO. Are you sure it was calmag deff not something else. They should be happy in the new Potts!

Well you’ve gotten me this far with your advise and help so I’ll skip out on calmag, plus I’m on top of this grow so anything I’m unsure with I’ll be posting here, so hopefully I’ll catch things a lot quicker.

I did post some pics on a different forum, but I can’t even remember which one, but I was told it needed calmag which stopped it progressing any further. I’ve looked for the photos but can’t seem to find any of it.

I’m excited to see yours go through the lst, I might even steal what you do for my next grow

 

[Kimber015]

Day 15. 24 hours after repotting.

The majority have perked right up and are looking good. I was dealing with an overwatering issue before repotting, so a couple were already drooping. So im hoping within the next 48 hours to see 8 healthy looking plants.

Sorry for the yellow photos, I am looking for a good light I can use when taking photos.

Also, I’m new to these fabric pots. I saw the fabric darken at the bottom when I watered for the first time. Would this be a fair assumption that this will dry up when it’s ready to be watered? I can see it’s dried up considerably since it was watered 24 hours ago.

 

[Emilya Green]

Would this be a fair assumption that this will dry up when it’s ready to be watered?

not even close... the sides and bottom if it is elevated, will dry out well before the core of that rootball dries out... the ONLY way to tell when it is time to water is the LIFT method, or use a moisture meter to tell when the water table has reached the bottom inch or two of the container.

 

[Kimber015]

not even close... the sides and bottom if it is elevated, will dry out well before the core of that rootball dries out... the ONLY way to tell when it is time to water is the LIFT method, or use a moisture meter to tell when the water table has reached the bottom inch or two of the container.

Thank you Emilya,

I knew it wouldn’t be so simple, but it was worth an ask. I wanted to weigh these ones but my scales didn’t go up that high. I’ve ordered some more and will weigh up a fresh one once they arrive, just so I can get an idea, hopefully through out the grow I’ll get more confident with picking it up and checking it myself.

Do you have any recommendations on a moisture meter? Also, would this be put directly into the middle towards the root ball?

Thank you

 

[Emilya Green]

Any $6 3 way meter from the hardware store will work, but I prefer the lift method, or if you prefer, the nudge with a toe method or just lift up one corner method.... You should be able to get a feel for how light the plants are getting. Also, I want you to start looking for the "I am going to need water soon" droop. It starts with the lower leaves about 12 hours before the container is going to go dry and then it moves up the trunk. When you can see this droop starting to affect the mid section leaves, it is time to water.

 

[Kimber015]

Any $6 3 way meter from the hardware store will work, but I prefer the lift method, or if you prefer, the nudge with a toe method or just lift up one corner method.... You should be able to get a feel for how light the plants are getting. Also, I want you to start looking for the "I am going to need water soon" droop. It starts with the lower leaves about 12 hours before the container is going to go dry and then it moves up the trunk. When you can see this droop starting to affect the mid section leaves, it is time to water.

I did manage to pick a moisture meter up. Bit worried with digging it into the soil in case of damaging roots so was careful. Nearer the bottom went straight to almost maximum moisture. So will check this daily. I did lift the pot as well, which I will do daily to keep getting a better idea.

I will keep an eye on the drooping and likely bombard you with messages when I think it’s dry in a panick.

Plants are coming along. Maybe I’m expecting too much. While I have some praying looking great, still have 2 slacking a little and drooping a tad, almost exactly how they were before repotting when suffering from over watering. Patience is key, but I hate it!

I’ll do an update with photos shortly anyway.