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Graytail said:
It's mostly microbes, beneficials. :slide: They should be able to adapt to most soils ...
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Now for the $$$ question. How much? I'm used to thinking in terms of 7 gal pots not 75 gallon cages open to the surrounding soil.
I'm guessing a couple ml mixed with my usual watering.
 
Major PITA said:
Now for the $$$ question. How much? I'm used to thinking in terms of 7 gal pots not 75 gallon cages open to the surrounding soil.
I'm guessing a couple ml mixed with my usual watering.
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I'd find Doc's per/gallon of water recommendation - forgot what it is. It'd be in the 0.5 ml/gallon range? :hmmmm: I use 0.4 for 3 quarts of water in my 6 gallon pots. But in ground soil, higher is probably better - it'll disperse and flush out.

I can't think of a downside.

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Growlow said:
So I get to this page to suggest mixing up a quick wood ash wash with dash of Cal. Pretty much was covered on this page as it would seem hehe :0 Looks like you're on your way to a solution bloke :thumb:
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Still very useful when another grower thinks of the same solution. :thumb:
 
brightlight said:
Major.....when I see "scorched" leaf edges, I tend to think K deficiency, as often happens if too much Ca. :Namaste:
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Since it has gotten calcium and it didn't seem to help, I'll start with 'K' and some Tea. :high-five:


Graytail said:
I'd find Doc's per/gallon of water recommendation - forgot what it is. It'd be in the 0.5 ml/gallon range? :hmmmm: I use 0.4 for 3 quarts of water in my 6 gallon pots. But in ground soil, higher is probably better - it'll disperse and flush out.

I can't think of a downside.

:thumb:
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Cool - sounds like we're in the same ballpark. TY much!
 
brightlight said:
Excess Ca prevents/interferes w/ uptake of K. Maybe some straight H20 to reduce/dilute Ca will allow uptake of K already in soil.
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I wondered the same thing. I did use water only for the last two waterings = 4 days. No idea how long it might take to see improvement. They get water again tomorrow.
 
Wood ash is good source of potassium, the problem is it also has a lot of calcium, so you'll be upping the ratio of both.
 
Drive by. My first thought was calcium. But then I have that problem every year, with my water source. Why I go heavy with slow release bone meal and alot of it, double at least what they suggest. Also, makes for a fine microbial media. And you'll always have a steady supply of calcium, plus you can't add too much for things like lockouts or toxicity. But it looks like K. Least them pics did. Stems or petioles might turn purple? and they tend to get leggy? The larger leaves turn necrotic and die? As said, wood ash, kelp extracts, and a good bloom fertilizer should fix it I'd hope. Sounds like she getting a good long douce, pardon my French. You could always add a drop or two of superthrive to your waterings. Kind of like a multivitamin for your plant. These the girl's outdoors? I seen ya talking GH Flora. Great product in my eyes. I'd hit it with some tailored to a K defisencie Maybe even a drop of koolbloom if you got some. I use the powered stuff with the flora stuff when my outdoor girls kick off. GL and Keepem Green
 
Graytail said:
I'd find Doc's per/gallon of water recommendation
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Not sure if this will help but found this on a page of notes. Doc wrote

If I was feeding one solitary plant in a one gal container:
1-2 mils Tea
2-5 mils drench per half gal of water

If one plant in a 7 gal container:
1-2 mils Tea
5-10 mils drench per gal of water
 
Norcaliwood said:
Drive by. My first thought was calcium. But then I have that problem every year, with my water source. Why I go heavy with slow release bone meal and alot of it, double at least what they suggest. Also, makes for a fine microbial media. And you'll always have a steady supply of calcium, plus you can't add too much for things like lockouts or toxicity. But it looks like K. Least them pics did. Stems or petioles might turn purple? and they tend to get leggy? The larger leaves turn necrotic and die? As said, wood ash, kelp extracts, and a good bloom fertilizer should fix it I'd hope. Sounds like she getting a good long douce, pardon my French. You could always add a drop or two of superthrive to your waterings. Kind of like a multivitamin for your plant. These the girl's outdoors? I seen ya talking GH Flora. Great product in my eyes. I'd hit it with some tailored to a K defisencie Maybe even a drop of koolbloom if you got some. I use the powered stuff with the flora stuff when my outdoor girls kick off. GL and Keepem Green
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I initially thought it looked like 'K' deficiency. What I had available (using it on the two plants in the 25 gal pots) is Flora Bloom with 0-5-4. The soil does have a fair amount of bone meal and kelp meal in it. Most of ZD(+) looks great and she still adds at least an inch per day in height. New growth looks OK.

The more I stare at the various deficiency charts and descriptions, I lean to calcium as the problem. The heck of it is, too much of one interferes with the other. I guess I take a stab and hope I picked the right one. I want to add/change one thing at a time. Otherwise I end up not knowing what worked and what didn't. Seeing the progression of this problem in person, none of the descriptions or pictures are spot on, of course.

Thanks for all the feedback, all. I'll let you know what I decide and the outcome...
 
A very good morning to ya Major. Your getting a lot of good advise and tips bud. Everyone has such good info for you. I have given this a lot of thought and also considered my minor problems with the very same symptoms as your girl there. What Bright and a couple others said looks to be the reason. I also believe it is a K def. With my KK's they had the very same problems....so lets think about that...that soil was amended three times with loads of calcium and other stuff as per "Kit" soil....but never once was K added , but was used in all three grows by all those plants...i believe they simply depleted all the K resulting in way to high calcium levels while the K was simply very low or non existent. This created those burnt tips and leaf margins as you have there too. I would bet a lot ....on very low levels of K while you have very high levels of Calcium. I believe this is the problem, so what your doing is perfect. Give some K with some Tea a few times in a row...then watch them improve. Cheers bud...and oh ya ..what was said ....use more Tea than you think...it will be Ok outside in those big pots. Cheers Major!:Namaste:
 
duggan said:
A very good morning to ya Major. Your getting a lot of good advise and tips bud. Everyone has such good info for you. I have given this a lot of thought and also considered my minor problems with the very same symptoms as your girl there. What Bright and a couple others said looks to be the reason. I also believe it is a K def. With my KK's they had the very same problems....so lets think about that...that soil was amended three times with loads of calcium and other stuff as per "Kit" soil....but never once was K added , but was used in all three grows by all those plants...i believe they simply depleted all the K resulting in way to high calcium levels while the K was simply very low or non existent. This created those burnt tips and leaf margins as you have there too. I would bet a lot ....on very low levels of K while you have very high levels of Calcium. I believe this is the problem, so what your doing is perfect. Give some K with some Tea a few times in a row...then watch them improve. Cheers bud...and oh ya ..what was said ....use more Tea than you think...it will be Ok outside in those big pots. Cheers Major!:Namaste:
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OlderGrower said:
my 2 cents= potassium

but for a quarter I can can fix it for you and trim up your ladies skirts.. consider it a package deal :high-five:

All in all your garden looks fantastic Major, if it wasn't for minor hic-ups growing would be boring
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In the end, I did go with 'K' as the solution to the problem. I decided on bottled nute's so I could control the 'K' as well as Ca and other trace nute's. I gave all the plants 2 ml each of Tea, as well. I figured it couldn't hurt.
It is a bummer that Ca and K compete. I'm pretty sure this problem is a shortage of one or the other.
Now it's a matter of wait and see. Either I fixed it or f#$%ed it. :rofl:
Thanks again my friends!
 
Major PITA said:
In the end, I did go with 'K' as the solution to the problem. I decided on bottled nute's so I could control the 'K' as well as Ca and other trace nute's. I gave all the plants 2 ml each of Tea, as well. I figured it couldn't hurt.
It is a bummer that Ca and K compete. I'm pretty sure this problem is a shortage of one or the other.
Now it's a matter of wait and see. Either I fixed it or f#$%ed it. :rofl:
Thanks again my friends!
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I always sound like a broken record on these issue's. PH. That always seems to be my issue. That being said I have been underfeeding cal/mag and had to increase the dosage. But I always seem to find if I run too high of PH for several feedings then they look deficient and if I run the PH lower for a few days it seems to stop getting worse. But damage that is done is done. But hey still getting my feet wet. Learning every day ;)

:peace:

FE
 
Growlow said:
Ahhh the joys of being a farmer ;)
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Exactly!

Graytail said:
Is that a rake lying in the grass?? :laugh:
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Not in the grass. Permanently embedded in my forehead.

Far East Buds said:
I always sound like a broken record on these issue's. PH. That always seems to be my issue. That being said I have been underfeeding cal/mag and had to increase the dosage. But I always seem to find if I run too high of PH for several feedings then they look deficient and if I run the PH lower for a few days it seems to stop getting worse. But damage that is done is done. But hey still getting my feet wet. Learning every day ;)

:peace:

FE
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As far as I can tell, my soil is in the 6.4 - 6.5 PH range and hasn't drifted from there since I began. I could try to adjust the water, but when they each get 8 gal. every other day ..... OY!
 
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