First time grower

Greenvein said:
Looking good bud 👍 82F sounds beautiful 😍 I get higher then that in flower.. what's your goal PPFD?
I can see your feed pipe properly now that would be perfect with a little T piece in it and fix your current problem.
What conductivity pen are you using? Or what EC pen? Are you sure it's not measuring in CF? Either way your run off measurement being three times your feed is alarm bells to me and if I'm right it's all down to that feed pipe you have.
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Digital Soil Moisture Meter,Direct Soil EC Meter,3 in 1 Soil Hygrometer EC Indoor Plant Soil Moisture Meter for Water,House Plants,Great Hygrometer for Gardeners,Composters,Farmers,Nurseries, feed pipe just delivers water, i add nutrients with a turkey baster, so i know just how much im adding to each plant, my goal ppfd is what everybody recommends 600 to 800, right now im anywhere between 450 to 500,​

 
Think I found your pen, definitely EC and think I may have made a mistake as I was at work earlier 😬 but super chill now :bongrip:
You fed at .23EC so plain water? And run off was .75EC if so then ignore my last post 😂🤦‍♂️ apart from the looking good 👍 keep that bit definitely 😁

Have a nice evening ✌️
 
Greenvein said:
Think I found your pen, definitely EC and think I may have made a mistake as I was at work earlier 😬 but super chill now :bongrip:
You fed at .23EC so plain water? And run off was .75EC if so then ignore my last post 😂🤦‍♂️ apart from the looking good 👍 keep that bit definitely 😁

Have a nice evening ✌️
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my nutrient ec is .90, and ive been adding 2 to 2 1/2 oz, to each plant every 6 to 7 days, dont know if its a good idea or not, i've been watering every 3 -4 days when the top 3 inches are dry, dont know if thats right either LOL,, at this point im just guessing. ive been reading just about 20 to 30 different articles every day and trying to make sense of them and take my best guess, i managed to get thru seedling and vegatative with a couple of hiccups, but now im in the critical part and hope i dont have anymore hiccups, LOL
 
Yeah looks like your doing great so far bud they look happy 👍 alot of great info online but so many variables can make some things not for everyone. If anything goes south you got alot of dudes on here that can get you straight 👍
The mix your in is so on the fence so will see how the mix reacts. Feeding at 90EC/450ppm is low for feeding once a week. And if you feed that but your run off is .35EC/175ppm that means they've ate almost everything.

You can try feeding every other day with your 90EC and read the plants.. let me know if they show any drooping and also let me know if your run off comes out higher than 90EC just ake sure your still getting your run off 👍
 
Greenvein said:
Yeah looks like your doing great so far bud they look happy 👍 alot of great info online but so many variables can make some things not for everyone. If anything goes south you got alot of dudes on here that can get you straight 👍
The mix your in is so on the fence so will see how the mix reacts. Feeding at 90EC/450ppm is low for feeding once a week. And if you feed that but your run off is .35EC/150pp that means they've ate almost everything.

You can try feeding every other day with your 90EC and read the plants.. let me know if they show any drooping and also let me know if your run off comes out higher than 90EC just ake sure your still getting your run off 👍
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great, thanks for the info, ill start tomorrow and let you know, again thanks
 
george goff sr said:
great, thanks for the info, ill start tomorrow and let you know, again thanks
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hi, i ran plain water this morning and checked runoff, was 6.5 ph and .62 ec, after plants drained for an hour or so ,, i added 4 oz of nutrient ( .75 ec) to each plant as evenly as i could with my turkey baster and there was no runoff, i checked moisture in several places of each plant 2 on top and one down near the bottom, average was roughly 30 %, forgot to check ec before i added nutrients , (cant remember everything LOL) ill check ec of plants in the morning.
 
How comes you ran the plain water through first? Do you do that every time? Seems like alot of hard work over there.

In 48hrs mix up your nutrient mix and just feed them with that straight away. Keep feeding until you get 10% run off.

Only monitor your EC & PH in and out for now then hopefully if it goes well you can reduce what you monitor further. Also If you can feed at least one of the plants with a jug it would be nice to know how many litres it takes to get run off.
 
Greenvein said:
How comes you ran the plain water through first? Do you do that every time? Seems like alot of hard work over there.

In 48hrs mix up your nutrient mix and just feed them with that straight away. Keep feeding until you get 10% run off.

Only monitor your EC & PH in and out for now then hopefully if it goes well you can reduce what you monitor further. Also If you can feed at least one of the plants with a jug it would be nice to know how many litres it takes to get run off.
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no i just did it because i forgot to empty runoff bucket that was filled with water from dehumidifier the day before and couldnt get accurite reading. ( i keep forgetting to do shit LOL SURE SIGN OF GETTING OLD), ill measure the water in a day or so and let you know how much it takes to get runoff. i usually run about 4 gallons of water for the 10 plants, before they start runoff. according to the instructions on the vivosun nutrients bottles im supposed to mix 10 ml of base a and 10 ml of base b to a gallon of water and last i checked that give me a ec of about 90 , how often do you want me to feed them and how much, ive been giving them 3 oz a week, thanks george
 
george goff sr said:
no i just did it because i forgot to empty runoff bucket that was filled with water from dehumidifier the day before and couldnt get accurite reading. ( i keep forgetting to do shit LOL SURE SIGN OF GETTING OLD), ill measure the water in a day or so and let you know how much it takes to get runoff. i usually run about 4 gallons of water for the 10 plants, before they start runoff. according to the instructions on the vivosun nutrients bottles im supposed to mix 10 ml of base a and 10 ml of base b to a gallon of water and last i checked that give me a ec of about 90 , how often do you want me to feed them and how much, ive been giving them 3 oz a week, thanks george
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Oh don't I know it. I forgot to plug my timer in my last grow and lost a potential ½LB plant 🤦‍♂️ luckily it wasn't my only plant but it happens & it hurts lol.

Realistically with your size plants you want to water slowly untill run off and lift your plants a few times to remember the weight. Then lift them each day after to notice how quickly it becomes light. You don't want light weight pots so if you feed on Monday and it's light by Wednesday then feed every two days but that's just the start I wouldn't bother with most moisture meters. With Coco you don't even want the top of your soil to turn a lighter colour so if it does that you can probably water again.
As you mixed soil into it and the pots are Large compared to plant size we'll get into it slowly to see how the substrate/plant react and hopefully you can understand without all the meters along the way.

Stick with the Vivosun recommendation 10Ml/Gal (.9EC) and feed them every 48hrs with run off 👍

Your kind of sat between soil & Hydro at the moment so the results will decide on which way to go.
 
Greenvein said:
Oh don't I know it. I forgot to plug my timer in my last grow and lost a potential ½LB plant 🤦‍♂️ luckily it wasn't my only plant but it happens & it hurts lol.

Realistically with your size plants you want to water slowly untill run off and lift your plants a few times to remember the weight. Then lift them each day after to notice how quickly it becomes light. You don't want light weight pots so if you feed on Monday and it's light by Wednesday then feed every two days but that's just the start I wouldn't bother with most moisture meters. With Coco you don't even want the top of your soil to turn a lighter colour so if it does that you can probably water again.
As you mixed soil into it and the pots are Large compared to plant size we'll get into it slowly to see how the substrate/plant react and hopefully you can understand without all the meters along the way.

Stick with the Vivosun recommendation 10Ml/Gal (.9EC) and feed them every 48hrs with run off 👍

Your kind of sat between soil & Hydro at the moment so the results will decide on which way to go.
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LIFT THE POTS!!! i'd throw my back out LMAO, at 77 i'm lucky i can lift my cup of coffee, HA HA, but seriously, thats why i bought the meter, theres not a good position to lift from because the lights are in the way. i'll have to get my son to do it. i measured this morning how much water to get the plant to leak out the bottom, it took 80 oz's . so almost three liter's. also i didnt understand when u said feed until i get 10% in the runoff, when i checked this morning ( how much to get runoff) i added nutrients to the water and and the ec was 90, in the runoff water. which i knew it would be because i added the nutrients (which was .90 ec) im going to wait till tomorrow and just run plain water in the 2 plants i used to test and see what the runoff is, if i'm right it should show me how much the plants are using. correct ? also i ordered a air conditioner, because to get the ppfd up to everything i've read (600 to 800) the tent temp goes off the charts. right now i have lights at 54% and all i can get is (450 ppfd) and tent temp is around 82 degrees. i hope it solves my problem
 
george goff sr said:
i measured this morning how much water to get the plant to leak out the bottom, it took 80 oz's . so almost three liter's. also i didnt understand when u said feed until i get 10% in the runoff, when i checked this morning ( how much to get runoff) i added nutrients to the water and and the ec was 90, in the runoff water. which i knew it would be because i added the nutrients (which was .90 ec) im going to wait till tomorrow and just run plain water in the 2 plants i used to test and see what the runoff is, if i'm right it should show me how much the plants are using. correct ?
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I would be interest to see what the explanation is. I have always understood it as being 10% run-off whether it was water and fertilizer or just plain water. The 10% was not dealing with fertilizing numbers or amounts, just using the 10% run-off as an indication that enough water had been added to the soil and there was no point to keep adding more.
 
SmokingWings said:
I would be interest to see what the explanation is. I have always understood it as being 10% run-off whether it was water and fertilizer or just plain water. The 10% was not dealing with fertilizing numbers or amounts, just using the 10% run-off as an indication that enough water had been added to the soil and there was no point to keep adding more.
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looking at it that way i get back (in my runoff ) about 90% of the water i add. all my plants have about 25 to 30 % moisture content, been that way since i started, i figured that was normal.
 
Sorry fellas at work but @smoking wings is pretty much there.. eventually you won't have to measure it but the 10% run off serves a few purposes.
1. It's a saturation measurement. If you was to put 1L in and got 900ml out you know you was already highly saturated or if you only got 100ml out she was pretty depleted. So could use that instead of lifting pots.
2. It pushes all the old half eaten salts out the bottom and replenishes it with a full well balanced diet again 😁.
3. In coco it's a good way to monitor your root zone but I think in soil your better off doing a slurry test.
 
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