DV8 Does Dalliance: A Dabbling In Autos

[BooWho2]

Very interesting. Hopefully can get some clarification.

Not so long ago here was Auto advice.

DO NOT TOP, EVER
DO NOT RE POT
& my favourite

Autos can go 24 hr light schedule.

Thank goodness people try things.

Hi Deev. Like you said in your post after this one, we all have different ways of growing that works well for us (and at the moment I’m struggling to get some little autos to grow properly!). Everything I learned about autos I learned here and once I became a little more relaxed about growing I just kind of fell into a routine that worked for me. You can most definitely top and train an auto and I always do. I prefer to top and up pot at the same time but I have up potted before flower and then topped at flowering signs and it worked just fine (I think that was the Blueberry auto from earlier this year). I wish I could find the article I read a while ago about the plants needing a dark period - to rest from the light and also grow roots. Ill have to look for it again. It may be bro science, but it makes sense to me. However, I believe @Carmen Ray ran her latest autoflower grow on a 24 hour schedule with great success.

 

[Azimuth]

I think @Regrowth nailed it. Plants can only use a certain maximum amount of light per period and, after that, any additional photons are essentially wasted on the plant.

The reason most auto growers use a longer light period is to try to give the plants as much light as they can use and, depending on your light, distance of light to the plant, etc the number of hours required will vary. So, in the absence of fancy light measuring technology to know how many hours you need in your specific circumstances many auto growers just opt for more light hours to try to maximize that factor.

Once the plant has absorbed as much light as it can for the day, any more light, and dollars spent on electricity to produce it, is essentially wasted on the plant and it may very well be better off in sleep mode and root growth, etc.

@Jon and @krissboth grow autos very successfully so maybe they have thoughts on light schedules, toppings, and up-potting for autos....

 

[DV8]

Hi Deev. Like you said in your post after this one, we all have different ways of growing that works well for us

I try to keep an open mind. My goals, my environment, genetics, number of plants, are wholly different to everyone elses. And we are ever evolving. Nobody grows the same as when they started.

In that respect each grower is going to have their own decisions to make. I love here (420) to share and discuss.

Everything I learned about autos I learned here and once I became a little more relaxed about growing I just kind of fell into a routine that worked for me.

I love some standardised approach myself. Same as my work. Every day different but approached the same way.

You can most definitely top and train an auto and I always do. I prefer to top and up pot at the same time but I have up potted before flower and then topped at flowering signs and it worked just fine

Perfect. Thanks Boo

I wish I could find the article I read a while ago about the plants needing a dark period - to rest from the light and also grow roots. Ill have to look for it again. It may be bro science, but it makes sense to me.

Cheers. Theres definitely two sides. The light side, and the dark side of the equation.

However, I believe @Carmen Ray ran her latest autoflower grow on a 24 hour schedule with great success.

I agree.

My opinion ran counter to her chosen approach, doesnt mean either of us wrong. Again we are all just growing plants, and wanting the best results.

 

[JoetheChro]

I try to keep an open mind. My goals, my environment, genetics, number of plants, are wholly different to everyone elses. And we are ever evolving. Nobody grows the same as when they started.

In that respect each grower is going to have their own decisions to make. I love here (420) to share and discuss.



I love some standardised approach myself. Same as my work. Every day different but approached the same way.

Perfect. Thanks Boo

Cheers. Theres definitely two sides. The light side, and the dark side of the equation.

I agree.

My opinion ran counter to her chosen approach, doesnt mean either of us wrong. Again we are all just growing plants, and wanting the best results.

Appreciated this post D, honest and true.

I was lucky enough to be able to do some comparison grows side by side when I wanted to see if one technique worked better than another. Even then some variables got thrown in that went completely against what I expected

It’s hard trying to control nature. Especially in a plant pot

 

[DV8]

I think @Regrowth nailed it. Plants can only use a certain maximum amount of light per period and, after that, any additional photons are essentially wasted on the plant.

Thats exactly correct.

Well in saying that, the studies and information that I looked at were produced by light manufacturers and light measuring equipment companies, so they still had a market they were selling to.

Doesn't mean they have bad information, its simply they produced it out of profits from consumers, which means they could minimise or downplay the data that runs counter to their market aims.

One in particular drew from canna plant studies based on biology, so I tend to affirm the findings that the DLI (Daily Light Integral) is measurable and specific to canna.

With enough data and calculations it should be straightforward to affirm. For now Ill take their word.

The reason most auto growers use a longer light period is to try to give the plants as much light as they can use and, depending on your light, distance of light to the plant, etc the number of hours required will vary.

Thats right. Here we are in thresholds
( max/min, optimised, over saturation etc) that have inherent variables.

Its one thing to know them, another to measure, and yet another to standardise results to compare.

The average grower isnt routinelygoing to go through those steps.

The default is, too much is better than too little.

So, in the absence of fancy light measuring technology to know how many hours you need in your specific circumstances many auto growers just opt for more light hours to try to maximize that factor.

Exactly. My counter was the need for a dark period.

To orientate the map to solving the problem, we need to first understand what position we are in primarily.

How well can we control the variables?

Its easy to solve one thing, and create another problem by default.

Once the plant has absorbed as much light as it can for the day, any more light, and dollars spent on electricity to produce it, is essentially wasted on the plant and it may very well be better off in sleep mode and root growth, etc.

Thats as close to the conclusion Ive drawn put in an easy to understand way.

@Jon and @krissboth grow autos very successfully so maybe they have thoughts on light schedules, toppings, and up-potting for autos....

Thanks for tagging them Azi.

What I know about autos, or canna, or even plants, is more than the average person, but far less than a competent grower who chases down ideas and puts things into action, gets the results and reports back.

For the most part Im the bystander, the plants have always just done exactly what their programming tells them to do. I try to stay out of their way and keep things simple.

Its less like having children, where a firm hand is needed, and more being the student to what they have to teach.

 

[DV8]

Appreciated this post D, honest and true.

Cheers mate.

Only 1 rule I have. Stay in my lane, unless its my thread. Ill talk for hours about anything when Im not interfering.

I was lucky enough to be able to do some comparison grows side by side when I wanted to see if one technique worked better than another. Even then some variables got thrown in that went completely against what I expected

Up to you mate, but if youd like to tell me what you were experimenting with Id love to know.

It’s hard trying to control nature. Especially in a plant pot

Aint that the searing truth. Made me laugh Old mother nature got some tricks, sometimes playing them on us.

Every time I see someone complete a harvest Im feeling the joy for them because its fucking heartbreaking when shit happens.

As long as Ive been in the garden the triumphs are always sweet.

Have a bit of a chuckle at us tending in our ways, such a human thing to do, tinkering around and monkeying about with things that evolved millennia before we turned up, and yet our optimism at results is unwavering.

 

[JoetheChro]

Cheers mate.

Only 1 rule I have. Stay in my lane, unless its my thread. Ill talk for hours about anything when Im not interfering.



Up to you mate, but if youd like to tell me what you were experimenting with Id love to know.

Aint that the searing truth. Made me laugh Old mother nature got some tricks, sometimes playing them on us.

Every time I see someone complete a harvest Im feeling the joy for them because its fucking heartbreaking when shit happens.

As long as Ive been in the garden the triumphs are always sweet.

Have a bit of a chuckle at us tending in our ways, such a human thing to do, tinkering around and monkeying about with things that evolved millennia before we turned up, and yet our optimism at results is unwavering.

Nowt special, LST vs None, FIM vs Topping, small number of big pots vs a large number of little pots. Fun days, had a few going at the same time so could afford an eff up or two.

 

[DV8]

Ok down to the journalling.

Day 30 (+12 dlh)
Adalita (L) Chrissy (R)

Girls are in for a wild few days. Low O/N temps, rain, hiding from contractors.

2 steps fwd, 1 step back.

 

[Azimuth]

I think @Regrowth nailed it. Plants can only use a certain maximum amount of light per period and, after that, any additional photons are essentially wasted on the plant.

The reason most auto growers use a longer light period is to try to give the plants as much light as they can use and, depending on your light, distance of light to the plant, etc the number of hours required will vary. So, in the absence of fancy light measuring technology to know how many hours you need in your specific circumstances many auto growers just opt for more light hours to try to maximize that factor.

Once the plant has absorbed as much light as it can for the day, any more light, and dollars spent on electricity to produce it, is essentially wasted on the plant and it may very well be better off in sleep mode and root growth, etc.

@Jon and @krissboth grow autos very successfully so maybe they have thoughts on light schedules, toppings, and up-potting for autos....

I see I screwed up the @Krissi Carbone tag so I'll try it again.

 

[DV8]

Day 31 (+14 dlh)

Lets get pic heavy to celebrate the 1 month birthday of these girls. (And for my growmie @Trala who reads fuck all but wants pics)

Got that CarCanopy Feelz, they are low, wide, but even asf.

So hope I can bring these girls home in some form of homage to Mr @Carcass , so far they are complying and vying to be beautiful.

Cant wait for the dedicated attempt in a tent with photoperiods, my little 3 photos are getting me excited after these two.

 

[DV8]

Day 32 (+9 dlh)

 

[Carcass]

Looking good, Deeve!

 

[Azimuth]

Day 32 (+9 dlh)

+9 dlh??

 

[JoetheChro]

Day light hours

 

[Carcass]

+9 dlh??

What in the hell does "dlh" stand for?

Great minds think alike...

 

[Azimuth]

Your dlh seems to be jumping around a bit (12 -> 14 -> 9), so that must be artificial light you're providing. So why such big swings?

 

[DV8]

Your dli seems to be jumping around a bit (12 -> 14 -> 9), so that must be artificial light you're providing. So why such big swings?

Its a little less complicated. The max dlh at the moment is 14 hours, dawn to dusk.

The auto girls are under natural light only with no supplementary. Its a pity because the short days and general overcast will leave them lacking the potential they could teach.

The reference in dlh is when I took the shot.

I got into a bit an explanation why when first queried.

 

[LizardMate]

Lookin good man. Work is payin off

 

[Azimuth]

The auto girls are under natural light only with no supplementary.

Ahhh, auto's. Got it.

 

[Trala]

Great minds think alike...

And so do yours and Azi’s!

Lolllinggggg!