DV8 Does Dalliance: A Dabbling In Autos

[Trala]

I think I might be sold.

Can you link me to these mycos you speak of please?

 

[JoetheChro]

6ft 2 and your nips you say?!

Yeah nah, I’m still gonna need that scale thingy.

Got a room full of pals all smoking weed. 2 of them just shat their selves at this. You absolute Ozzie legends

 

[Azimuth]

Try one in a SIP and compare that to the other one. You'll probably never go back. Stupid easy to water correctly and much bigger plants. You can check out @Buds Buddy 's Thread where much of the SIP discussion is happening. We discuss what they are, how they work and how to build them if you'd rather not buy one.

 

[DV8]

I think I might be sold.

Can you link me to these mycos you speak of please?

Find them at pretty much any hydro store.

Ill pm you a link later.

 

[DV8]

There's a whole SIP (Self-Irrigating Planter) thing going on here on 420. @Emilya Green , @Buds Buddy , @Azimuth , among others are having explosive growth with them.

Thanks Hashgirl. I did see Buds use previously. And if I remember rightly Jon was using them, on the back of me being impressed at his colossal Auto. Emphasis on impressed and colossal.

I did build one based on a tutorial last season. Since then Ive adopted it for other plants.

Try one in a SIP and compare that to the other one. You'll probably never go back. Stupid easy to water correctly and much bigger plants.

The evidence is in and results squared away, no doubt Azi.

For this one its both in or neither, not to go against the grain, but I like standardised approach with these two. Was same for topping.

Two clones, wholly different kettle of fish.

You can check out @Buds Buddy 's Thread where much of the SIP discussion is happening. We discuss what they are, how they work and how to build them if you'd rather not buy one.

Seen most of the early discussion and should go back.

It just got so crazy busy I couldnt keep up to extract the pertinent info.

So far a few things are clear. They work. They are pretty simple. The grow results in aggregate are clearly better.

I dont tend to wade too far from simple if possible, while Im serious about growing, learning, emulation, and discovering new ways, the limiting factor is, its a very tiny part of my day and not that high on the priority list.

While Im sure its robust, information rich, and of high value, Im already stretched thin.

But thank you both, Azi & Hashgirl for giving me the good oil.

 

[DV8]

Day 26 (+11 dlh)

Chrissy (L)
Adalita (R)

With canopies runing close to even (mostly bottom 4 nodes up) I pulled out the hooks holding them in LST across the main stem.

They had the day to grow out, and all nodal growth is now able to be hooked.

Its definitely an attempt to go down the Carcass road, his system simple, and results amazing. Its finicky and precision work though, principles are sound, application is tricky though.

Hoping to follow his guidelines and finish with something worthy, feeling very much a new apprentice to an accomplished master of the technique and style.

Chrissy (CK) has definitely had better symmetry and already looks more like the ideal shape that is the aim of the training. Her nodes and stem are definitely longer though.

Adalita (GZ) has the same bones, more compact nodes and stem, but shes a wild child, a bit of extra effort needed to pin her to make her final character.

So far they have good growth, needs met, strong stems, good roots, and great colour. If I can wrangle them into some shape and they dont go into flower too early they will be off to a good beginning, and with a bit of luck, transition from veg into flower, flower to finish.

1/3 of expected days are up already. It goes so fast.

 

[Trala]

Find them at pretty much any hydro store.

Ill pm you a link later.

Shark jizz purchased

 

[Carcass]

Excellent job you're doing on those ladies, Deeve!
And you didn't even break an arm off! (which T. and I have both done a few times )

Its finicky and precision work though,

It does get a bit fiddly, even more so with lots of branches...

I found out early on that trying to use my fingers to hold the branches down while I inserted the hooks was apt to cause damage (like breaking branches off) so I started using a tool to hold them down while I installed the hooks:

I know...it's just a plastic stick- but it really does make the fiddly part of the process just a bit easier.

You may already do it this way...but, just in case you don't, I figured I'd show you how well it works...

 

[DV8]

Excellent job you're doing on those ladies, Deeve!
And you didn't even break an arm off! (which T. and I have both done a few times )

Thanks mate, they are doing OK, which is great while I get my process and order sorted.

Lot of firsts so to have things going as well as they have has been great.

You may already do it this way...but, just in case you don't, I figured I'd show you how well it works...

Thanks for the illustrated tutorial, funnily enough I grabbed a knitting needle
(which will need to be put back lol!)
to do the job. Will definitely find something permanent.

I just assumed a tool was needed, however the time you put in to documenting and supporting others is something Im sure we are all thankful for. Helpful isnt a strong enough word. Im very appreciative of the time you take with your personal guidance.

I have trouble with fiddly things on a small scale, my tactile dexterity certainly lacks finesse.

I think by your pics I need to drop the wire guage, had already thought thinner would be better when they are smaller, convinced now.

 

[DV8]

Missed pics today. Not much noticeable difference though tbh.

Shed contractors nowhere to be seen.*Sighs*

Was trying to keep them mobile to tuck away by leaving them in smaller pots, guess this weekend will have to bite the bullet.

 

[DV8]

Day 28 (+1 dlh)

Adalita (T)
Chrissy (B)

Veg feed. Reposition hooks. No pistils but cant be far way.

Scale shot for you @Trala

 

[DV8]

Haha Typical, just put veg feed on.....delayed re pot.....and we are into pistils on returning home this afternoon.

So glad I topped. While there wont be any records broken, they have around 60% of their expected days to go into flower in some of the most favourable weather of the year.

 

[Regrowth]

They grow up so fast....
You could transplant gently, I'm sure.
I'd unhook the lower branches so they can catch up to the upper ones but that's just me.
Or just raise the wire so they're still spaced out but the lower nodes break the dominance.

 

[DV8]

I'd unhook the lower branches so they can catch up to the upper ones but that's just me.
Or just raise the wire so they're still spaced out but the lower nodes break the dominance.

100% the right info. I did indeed remove tonight. I just wanted the wide enough horizontal to grow up with interfering with the top 2 on the same axis.

Cheers mate for looking out for me.

 

[Carmen Ray]

Hey Deev, @BooWho2 waits and tops when the plants show flower and then she up-pots or the other way around, I don't remember. She produces beautiful autos. Looking so good in there!

 

[DV8]

Hey Deev, @BooWho2 waits and tops when the plants show flower and then she up-pots or the other way around, I don't remember. She produces beautiful autos. Looking so good in there!

Very interesting. Hopefully can get some clarification.

Not so long ago here was Auto advice.

DO NOT TOP, EVER
DO NOT RE POT
& my favourite

Autos can go 24 hr light schedule.

Thank goodness people try things.

 

[Carmen Ray]

As a matter of interest, what is your conclusion on 24/7 lighting for autos and why? I ran mine 24/7 but I have nothing to compare with of my own. I want to do bigger, better autos next time. It would be great to save some electricity

 

[DV8]

Day 29 (+ 10 dlh)

Adalita, Chrissy. (TBH Adalita has a weird leaf thing going on so its easy to pick. )

Re-potted into SIP. (18 Litre capacity)
Chrissy Left, Adalita Right.

Been a huge day. (Not so much canna stuff).

Both girls got mycos. Finally haha. Had to do a big round trip for perlite, ammended soil, castings, and peat. Was a right pita.

I agonised over SIP or not, like since last night, until I remembered the words of my friend and straight talking growmie, ' Mate we arent splitting the atim here, just growing plants'.

Maybe Im paraphrasing Trala, but like her angst about seed popping, just as unnecessary my angst about type of container.

As soon as those words rang in my ears I just did it.

They seemed fine tonight.

 

[DV8]

As a matter of interest, what is your conclusion on 24/7 lighting for autos and why? I ran mine 24/7 but I have nothing to compare with of my own. I want to do bigger, better autos next time. It would be great to save some electricity

Being my own thread this is my opinion and conclusion only.

Ruderalis genetics aside, canna doesnt run a 24 constant light schedule in plant development.

They need (at least on cross side of genetics) to have a dark period.

The light cycle isnt just about the onset of flower in maturity. Or more accurately, just because Autos go into flower on countdown, we cant assume plants dont need a dark cycle.

Because, and its my opinion, a great deal happens in the dark cycle. Ever seen your photo girls go nuts overnight? I sure have.

Look theres some good information specific to canna about the dark cycle, but nothing in regards to autos that Ive read. Nor have I seen an auto herm.

Start mucking around with lighting though and it throws a photoperiod out. It causes their systems to have to compensate. Push their response buttons correctly and consistently and they will thrive.

Id say whatever extra gain in additional lighting, if there is any, could be found in alternatives.

For example stable temps and humidity, super cropping, proper nutrient ratios, or even growing an additional plant.

Jay and I do a bunch of math around inputs, often things we discover would be blasphemy around here.

Ultimately each grower needs to decide what works for them.

I hesitate to say that Im definitely certain that 24 isnt any better than 18, never run a side by side. Analytically, Id be dubious though.

Id need to see some consistent gains from someone switching from 18 to 24 (or the reverse) and show the results before Id buy in .

Someone like say Deeboy who just runs perpetual autos, and plenty of variety.

 

[Regrowth]

A plant can only use so much light per day but the amount they need varies at different stages of growth.
If you know your PPFD and the number of hours of light you can calculate your DLI (calculator).
You can calculate the amount of hours needed if you know the PPFD and the ideal DLI as well.

A chart posted by @LKABudMan.