Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

[Icemud]

I use hard plastic pots. Round in bloom, square or round in veg.

I don't use fabric pots. Others do, and some of them have tremendous success.

Hey Doc! been a minute since I swung through! and see you didn't skip a beat... actually skipped a lot of beats.. in the hearts of your observers! haha those plants are looking epic as usual!

Question: any theory or reasoning behind using round in bloom, square in veg?

 

[Doc Bud]

Hey Doc! been a minute since I swung through! and see you didn't skip a beat... actually skipped a lot of beats.. in the hearts of your observers! haha those plants are looking epic as usual!

Question: any theory or reasoning behind using round in bloom, square in veg?

Hey Icemud. You're always welcome in these parts.

The reasoning on the round pots in bloom is really more utilitarian than anything. They're cheaper than square ones and they have nice saucers that go with them. Simple as that!

 

[Chinaloa]

Speaking of pots. I know it's always best to go as big as space allows, and u mention using 7 gal. But do u think there is a size container too small for this method??

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[Graytail]

Speaking of pots. I know it's always best to go as big as space allows, and u mention using 7 gal. But do u think there is a size container too small for this method??

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LOL, this is one that DrZiggy would know. He's tried every size, I think.

 

[Icemud]

Hey Icemud. You're always welcome in these parts.

The reasoning on the round pots in bloom is really more utilitarian than anything. They're cheaper than square ones and they have nice saucers that go with them. Simple as that!

Thanks Doc! same reason I use square pots in my tent as they fit better than the large round ones I wasn't sure if there was like some gardeners secret to it appreciate you answering so quickly!

 

[ShiggityFlip]

I have a question regarding pots, I was thinking of using smart pots. However the local shop has the Gro Pro version, and I have heard brands of fabric pots other than smart pots are inferior for various reasons.

Whats the general opinion on this? I don't mind using square plastic pots, but thought air pruning may be more beneficial.

I use the 1,3,10 gallon fabric pots from rootpouch. Super cheap if you get the bundle of 10 (10 of the 10 gallon pots is 25 bucks.) they are supposed to last 3-4 years but that's outside where UV and temperature shifts will wreak havoc on the plastic and cellulose fibers. Indoor I see no degradation after almost a year and 3 runs. For saucers that fit the 10 gals I recommend the green hydrofarm saucers. Many saucers measure from the top radius but hydrofarm measures along the bottom. So I got the 16" and they match the 16" bottoms of the root pouches nicely. They are a soft flexible plastic that bends without snapping. I can't imagine how other pots may be better.

I would think geopots are the Cadillac. In fact they make a 4' x 4' x 1' tall square with a PVC frame that you can add a scrog screen. Someday I will get that and put a homemade dolly with casters underneath it and pond liner to catch the runoff. But that size would take 2 kits to fill lol. Oh wait I just had a thought! I could get the 3 x 3 which is 60 gallons and put it inside the 4 x 4 with the 4 x 4 lined with plastic as a saucer... I think a project has been born.

 

[Theborn420]

My state has opened up medical MJ with legal licenses to grow. The largest license is for 1500 plants. What the fuck are these large operations going to do when they get infestations (which will happen)? What will they use to combat these problems fast? No thx, I will not partake in that commercial weed, mines better.

Doc, when soil is sitting on concrete what is the main negative reaction? I thought given time it will still cook, it just takes longer. My soil has been sitting since Feb. It's in my basement on concrete, but I have it sitting in-between my furnace and water heater. I am going to build a new shelving unit soon so my soil will be off of the ground, but it will be near a concrete wall.

And finally, I don't have a RO unit hooked up (yet), in the mean time can, or does, anyone use a simple water pitcher filter specifically to get rid of chloramine?

I keep a bucket filled with tap water and a pinch of soil in it. I read somewhere that chloramine doesn't off-gas as readily as chlorine. However when you add organic matter it will render the chloramine inert in about 10 mins. Please correct me if I'm wrong but it's something to try.

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[ShiggityFlip]

Born I do the same thing. But I have read elsewhere that it may form dangerous complexes that way that can be more toxic. My PPM is fine at 40 (yes 40!!!) so I just got a hydrologic kd85/catalytic carbon filter. KD85 is great for Chloramine and catalytic carbon is as well. Activated carbon will not remove all the chloramine but catalytic will. I will document how easy it is to install.

 

[Theborn420]

Born I do the same thing. But I have read elsewhere that it may form dangerous complexes that way that can be more toxic. My PPM is fine at 40 (yes 40!!!) so I just got a hydrologic kd85/catalytic carbon filter. KD85 is great for Chloramine and catalytic carbon is as well. Activated carbon will not remove all the chloramine but catalytic will. I will document how easy it is to install.

No kidding?! We're you noticing toxicity in your plants or were you trying to be proactive with the catalytic filter?

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[Morglie]

used 3/4 strength Bloomit (3 ml to 4 oz H2O) with a heaping Tbl of my own honey..couldnt find my dextrose.

on my plants..

will keep you posted..:

Have you had any issues with honey clogging up your mister? I'll have fresh honey next year and I'm very interested if it adds any benefit.


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[ShiggityFlip]

No kidding?! We're you noticing toxicity in your plants or were you trying to be proactive with the catalytic filter?

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Nothing bad, just always looking to make things even better!

 

[Baybreeder]

The best way to test fabric pots is to fill bucket or tub with water. Dunk pot. Fill with water then lift it up. Which ever drains fastest that's the one. I find coco pots work the best for root pruning.

 

[ShiggityFlip]

The best way to test fabric pots is to fill bucket or tub with water. Dunk pot. Fill with water then lift it up. Which ever drains fastest that's the one. I find coco pots work the best for root pruning.

This is why I went with the 3-4 year pots. They are thinner than the rootpouch premiums but still strong. You can't go with coco pots as they contain tons of potassium and potassium will ruin high brix purposed soil.

 

[overlord]

This is why I went with the 3-4 year pots. They are thinner than the rootpouch premiums but still strong. You can't go with coco pots as they contain tons of potassium and potassium will ruin high brix purposed soil.

I see that some of the reviews on the rootpouch pots are saying they are smaller than expected. For example a 5 gallon rootpouch is equal to a three gallon nursery pot. The company replied saying this is true, that they use the industry standard on measurements and other pots are bigger in volume.

You said your using their 10 gallon pots, but how much actual soil are you using? Does it seem to be around 7 gallons of soil to your 10 gallon rootpouch? The general recommendation here is to start in 1 gallon pots and transplant to 7 gallon once roots have developed. Considering the above, would you start in 3 gallon and move to 10?

I am asking because I want to make the correct purchase the first time and eliminate any delays on moving forward with my grow.
Thanks

 

[Baybreeder]

This is why I went with the 3-4 year pots. They are thinner than the rootpouch premiums but still strong. You can't go with coco pots as they contain tons of potassium and potassium will ruin high brix purposed soil.

I've been using Coco Pots off and on for many years and never had a problem with my Brick levels. Always in the teens.

 

[ShiggityFlip]

I see that some of the reviews on the rootpouch pots are saying they are smaller than expected. For example a 5 gallon rootpouch is equal to a three gallon nursery pot. The company replied saying this is true, that they use the industry standard on measurements and other pots are bigger in volume.

You said your using their 10 gallon pots, but how much actual soil are you using? Does it seem to be around 7 gallons of soil to your 10 gallon rootpouch? The general recommendation here is to start in 1 gallon pots and transplant to 7 gallon once roots have developed. Considering the above, would you start in 3 gallon and move to 10?

I am asking because I want to make the correct purchase the first time and eliminate any delays on moving forward with my grow.
Thanks

It's a nursery standard that a 1 gallon pot is actually .72 gallons so most pot sellers use this including the black plastic pots. The pots we all use that list as one gallon pots would never hold a gallon of milk. I start in 1 gallon fabric, then move to 3 gallon, then 10 gallon. (Really 7.2 gallons but I believe Doc rates his kit by nursery standards too. After adding all the ingredients for one kit I get just over 50 gallons of loose packed soil. Seems to work great with the 10 gallon root pouches.

I've been using Coco Pots off and on for many years and never had a problem with my Brick levels. Always in the teens.

I have done great with chloramine in my water but plan to do better with it filtered out. Doc has always said
No coco for his kit soil.but hey if it works for you that's great! Maybe it's because the area of contact with the coco pot is usually dry pretty quick. It's not like you are mixing it into the soil directly.

 

[Baybreeder]

It's a nursery standard that a 1 gallon pot is actually .72 gallons so most pot sellers use this including the black plastic pots. The pots we all use that list as one gallon pots would never hold a gallon of milk. I start in 1 gallon fabric, then move to 3 gallon, then 10 gallon. (Really 7.2 gallons but I believe Doc rates his kit by nursery standards too. After adding all the ingredients for one kit I get just over 50 gallons of loose packed soil. Seems to work great with the 10 gallon root pouches.


I have done great with chloramine in my water but plan to do better with it filtered out. Doc has always said
No coco for his kit soil.but hey if it works for you that's great! Maybe it's because the area of contact with the coco pot is usually dry pretty quick. It's not like you are mixing it into the soil directly.

I haven't used Docs kit yet. I plan on it soon. My wife is giving me a hard time about lt. Women just dont understand.

 

[Doc Bud]

I've been using Coco Pots off and on for many years and never had a problem with my Brick levels. Always in the teens.

Wow! Where have you been man! You were washing buds in secret years before anyone else AND you've been testing brix levels for "many years."

Dude! Why didn't you speak up and share all this with us years ago! It would have saved me tons of time and efffort. I did this all from scratch...not finding a single person in the cannabis community, from Jorge Cervantes on down the list of growers who tested brix. I found no information at all!

And only Jorge ever washed buds, but only if they had PM.

You are amazing and I think you should step up and share with us the decades of brick testing and bud washing wisdom you've accumulated.

My first question for you: What are the levels of K and P in your soil BEFORE using the coco pots?

My second question: How do you deal the CEC issues with coco?

 

[Baybreeder]

Wow! Where have you been man! You were washing buds in secret years before anyone else AND you've been testing brix levels for "many years."

Dude! Why didn't you speak up and share all this with us years ago! It would have saved me tons of time and efffort. I did this all from scratch...not finding a single person in the cannabis community, from Jorge Cervantes on down the list of growers who tested brix. I found no information at all!

And only Jorge ever washed buds, but only if they had PM.

You are amazing and I think you should step up and share with us the decades of brick testing and bud washing wisdom you've accumulated.

My first question for you: What are the levels of K and P in your soil BEFORE using the coco pots?

My second question: How do you deal the CEC issues with coco?

I'm pretty new to this web stuff I'm old school lol. My mom and dad are retired botanist and agriculturist. So blame them lol. Soil is around 4-7-1 usually. For cation level I have to get creative. I'm new to the internet so forgive me.

 

[Baybreeder]

I'm pretty new to this web stuff I'm old school lol. My mom and dad are retired botanist and agriculturist. So blame them lol. Soil is around 4-7-1 usually. For cation level I have to get creative. I'm new to the internet so forgive me.

Sorry for the bad spelling.