Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

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My first high brix buds (bubblegum) 5 weeks into flower.:yahoo:

I wonder why some leaves are taco'd?

P.S. Sorry about the sideways phone pics.
 
medmanmike said:
Wow Doc, I can only imagine the frustration you're feeling! Such a shame that it was so fucked upped. Let's hope a couple more big names got funky numbers and find out about it and then do something about it.

If I may, back to Q & A. I need some advice on flushing. Let me tell you what I've done and you can tell if I'm doing something incorrectly.

Today was an Energy drench, post two Cat drenches. Plants are in HB soil, 7-gal nursery pots with ample drainage holes. Pots sit in saucers. I slowly poured 2 gal of water through each pot. Water drained through so I had to remove maybe a ½ gal from each saucer. Once it appeared the draining had stopped I slowly poured 1 gal of E&Tea into each pot, ½ gal at a time.

Because the medium was saturated, a lot of the E&TEA (or, was it more plain water?) drained into the saucer. I sucked this out and saved it thinking I would add it back as the saucer dried out.

My questions are: 1) what constitutes a good flush for a 7 gal pot, and 2) was 1 gal of E&TEA too much? Suggestions? Thanks.
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1. No need to flush....but what you did was very wise as you changed the ionic balance of the soil by doing that. You're paying attention...well done.

2. You did great on the dosage, provided you mixed it up correctly.

3. Suggestions.....nope! I like what you did!
 
flowerfarmer said:
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My first high brix buds (bubblegum) 5 weeks into flower.:yahoo:

I wonder why some leaves are taco'd?

P.S. Sorry about the sideways phone pics.
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You have a salt lover there.....hence the tacos, which is a sign of early Mg. def.

Nothing to worry about....top dress some epsoms and you'll be good to go! Buds look fantastic!
 
Here's the latest from the lab:

Thank you for calling this to my attention. I will address each item individually.

Our methodology for cannabinoid qualification / quantitation requires us to run QA/QC with every batch of 20 samples. The QA/QC consists of a reagent blank to monitor potential carryover, a matrix spike to monitor recovery and certified reference standard to monitor calibration (CCV). The QA/QC are reviewed prior to batch analysis, if any one of these controls are out of tolerance, corrective action is taken and the batch is re run.

Additionally, we participate in an annual PT (proficiency testing) program conducted by an accredited third party. The PT provider supplies participating labs with a blind sample and each lab must report back with the THC concentration. Our last PT was this past September, the concentration we reported was high by 4 ppm. If this were a similar case with your sample, 4 ppm would result in less than +/- 0.1% meaning we may have reported 17.3% or 17.1%. Only 12 labs participated in the last PT, and some labs were +/- 30% from the target concentration so I will admit there can be a wide variance between lab results.

All that said, it has been our experience that the largest contributor to potency deviation is the portion of the sample that is selected as the "test portion". We use every reasonable measure to ensure proper homogenization of the sample prior to selection but it only takes few dozen virtually microscopic trichomes to vary the results, possibly by as much as a few percent by weight. This had lead us to recently invest in a cryogenic grinder (to the tune of $10k) that turns the sample into a fine powder. This will absolutely ensure a homogenous sample and reduce deviation.

And just as an FYI, for whatever it's worth, the winning hybrid was 18.2%, second place tested at 20% and third was 15.3%.

High Times only provided us with all of the corresponding control numbers this past weekend. I cannot speak to their schedule. Control numbers are not provided to the lab until after the event to prevent any possible conflict of interest or favoritism. Regarding the changing of the control number, we were provided a note that said the Indica 4 in our lab pack was changed to Hybrid 6 (as far as matching up the results to the entry). Again, I cannot speak to why this was done or if you had any prior knowledge of being moved from the Indica category into the Hybrid category.

All samples were dropped off to our lab on Friday, January 30 and your sample was run in a batch on February 02. Using today's date on your Certificate for both the intake and test date is a horrible error that I was not made aware of until your email. The administrative staff has been reprimanded and a corrective action report is being written up. A corrective action report is also being written for the mistake of sending you the wrong results. The staff erroneously used the results from Hybrid Concentrate 6 instead of Hybrid Flower 6 (previously Indica Flower 4).

I sincerely apologize for these errors but please be assured that the results you received are from the entry Indica 4, which we have been informed belonged to you. I will forward a copy of the corrective action reports when they are complete.

Regards,
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I responded to this thus:

Thanks so much for the response.

The only other question I have is where you obtain the photographs that appear on the certificate? I ask because I am 100% certain that the photograph on my second certificate is NOT my entry. My strain does not have pistilate growth of that nature, and had no red pistils at all. Furthermore, the calyx structure is definitely not from my entry.

I am 100% sure of this and can provide photos to back up what I'm saying. Certainly the photo in your certificate looks nothing at all like the photo on the HT website.

Do you still have the samples? If so, mine was in a gold, re-sealable mylar pouch.
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So who takes the pics, I wonder ...

Shockingly low numbers for the winners! :straightface:
 
Last 5 pages has got me wound up and I cannot stop saying the F word. I wan't to crush every cannabis cup winner seed I was influenced by HT to buy. I'd like to believe that some of them had no clue this was going on but that would be foolish of me. F#@K HT! I'm glad my most recent purchase of beans was influenced by growers here on 420 Mag.
 
Such bullshit. Your frustration is totally justified. Keep the pressure up Doc. I'm interested in seeing how they plan to explain the wrong picture. So, wrong division, wrong test results, wrong picture, but you're supposed to accept that everything was on the up-and-up. Yeah. Disheartening to say the least.
 
I'm gonna have to try something PotChimp does. When he's puttering and trimming up bottoms, he'll just stick the discards into the soil - most of 'em dry up - some root. :cheesygrinsmiley: Then you pluck it out and revert it.

Otherwise, my instinct would be to take the cuts weeks 5-6, just before pistils start to set - never done it myself.
 
Are you unable to run them 18/6 or w/e until you take the clones. This would be the safest to make sure you don't end up with a re-veg situation. Also something to think about is are they going to be big enough to take how ever many cuttings you want that early and still have something left to flower assuming your trying to flower the plant after you take the cuttings. The strains I grow are usually pretty small at the point they would flip on their own.
 
ok so I'll start with the good stuff.
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That's the 6 strains I choose to run from seed in high brix!
The pestilence s1 is in another journal and it had a lil rough start at the start in the lil pot its at the top left.

I have a question I veg 24 hr so should is spray and set aside 30 mins? then back in room ?
 
Most of us spray at the beginning of lights on for the day so no need to pull them out. You want something that puts out a fine mist, I use 2oz eyeglass spritz bottles from the drug store and you want to focus on the undersides. You shouldn't have any burning issues from the lights as long as you don't go nuts with the sprays and have your lights to low. :thumb:
 
I tried several plant sprayers made for foliar feedings and couldn't find anything that put out a fine enough mist for me but maybe you can find one that will work. The 2oz bottles are enough to spray 3 full on flowering plants and a few vegging ones too. The sprays go a long way. If you needed something bigger im pretty sure you could get the same kind of spritz bottle in a bigger size, the ones I buy are in the travel section so they're tiny.
 
DrZiggy said:
Doc, and others :), how and when would you clone a plant grown 11/13 from seed ?
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Top it and pray the top roots. Top it early.....like 5 sets of leaves. It will be very hard to root and get any sort of yield I would think, but I've never done it.

If you needed it for an emergency save so you didn't lose the strain, Just clone it on 24 hours of light and take it through re-veg, etc.
 
Dutty Panty said:
ok so I'll start with the good stuff.
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That's the 6 strains I choose to run from seed in high brix!
The pestilence s1 is in another journal and it had a lil rough start at the start in the lil pot its at the top left.

I have a question I veg 24 hr so should is spray and set aside 30 mins? then back in room ?
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Those look nice. The new growth on the pestilence looks good. Should be fine once the roots get happy, which they-seem to be. They're ready for some Brix and DeStress a few days later, imo.

Dutty Panty said:
I was just gonna use a all purpose sprayer from home Depot. But i do have the fancy Dancy wand ones. I barely ever use.
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I really like a Solo sprayer where you can adjust it to spray upwards. It can get on the lights, however.
 
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