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QUICK UPDATE - SHOULD I BE CONCERNED?

OK, guys, just a quick update and request for opinions, and then I'm gonna post some pure bud p0rn in the next post! :)

I'm now starting to get a little concerned about the Power Skunk seedling, and mildly concerned about the potential of pythium.

For background, the Power Skunk seed and the PE clone both went into Rockwool cubes two weeks ago tomorrow. Within a couple of days, the seedling sprouted and a couple days later, had a small taproot showing. I put both cubes into a DIY bubble cloner 9 days ago.

The seedling has been looking healthy, up until a couple of days ago, despite only having a single, somewhat "funky" taproot. A couple of days ago, I noticed some yellowing on the inside of the new growth (not the leaf tips). So, I did a res change and added a mild dose of nutes along with some DM Zone and H2O2 on Wednesday.

The yellowing doesn't seem to have improved, but doesn't really look much worse, either. Here's what she looks like:

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And, her one taproot seems to be growing, but it seems slow and that I should have many more roots coming out of the cube by now:

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For comparison, the clone is having an explosion of roots, although, SOME of them look a little dark, which makes me concerned that maybe there is an issue in the res:

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I'd be a little surprised pythium could set in so quick, since when I did the res change 48 hours ago, I also rinsed everything with bleach, and added the H2O2 & DM Zone.

What do you guys think, if anything, I should do????

P.S. Here's a quick look at the Bonsai Mom before we get to the bud p0rn!

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PE TWINS MODELING PICS

So, I've got the radio crankin' in the growroom this morning and this commercial comes on for "be the next supermodel" or something, and the PE twins went nuts!

"Daddy, we want to be models!"....."Daddy, enter us!"

You all know how hard it is to say "no" to the kids, so I pulled out the camera and had them pose for some portfolio shots.

No update here, just the pics!

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The porn is awesome but are you sure you want to keep that seedling? She's stunted and will be a slow grower compared to other plants you grow with her. Alot of times when seedlings are damaged they might shot mutant growth like funky leaves or just 3leaf or a birthmark yellow stripe. Those plants rarely perform as well as the other plants. You asked, I'm just throwing it out there. I took pity on many scragglely looking seedlings and most dissapointed me but I do have a soft spot for the underdog.
 
Mr Smith said:
The porn is awesome but are you sure you want to keep that seedling? She's stunted and will be a slow grower compared to other plants you grow with her. Alot of times when seedlings are damaged they might shot mutant growth like funky leaves or just 3leaf or a birthmark yellow stripe. Those plants rarely perform as well as the other plants. You asked, I'm just throwing it out there. I took pity on many scragglely looking seedlings and most dissapointed me but I do have a soft spot for the underdog.
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Well, she is my ONLY Power Skunk seed, so I'd like to give it a good shot before I just toss her. She's only two weeks old...do you think she's stunted already? Remember, the other plant in the cloner was taken as a clone, so you're not comparing root development to another seedling.

That being said, the only seedlings I've started so far have been in hempy's, so I didn't get as good a look at the roots as I can now with the hydro. Maybe she is stunted???
 
I feel that since she's your only PS seedling, you should give it a shot. Mr. Smith is probably right, although you may be able to learn something new here.
I've done some seriously sloppy things, on purpose, to start my learning curve at the bottom. That way, all I can do is improve, and I have experience dealing with issues which should help me in the future. You would think that with only two weeks of stress, you would be able to see marked improvement over the next month if you can get the problem fixed soon....
Just my two....
 
Quixilvir said:
I feel that since she's your only PS seedling, you should give it a shot. Mr. Smith is probably right, although you may be able to learn something new here.
I've done some seriously sloppy things, on purpose, to start my learning curve at the bottom. That way, all I can do is improve, and I have experience dealing with issues which should help me in the future. You would think that with only two weeks of stress, you would be able to see marked improvement over the next month if you can get the problem fixed soon....
Just my two....
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Quixilvir said:
Oh and great pics!
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Thanks, Quix!

Just to be clear, she was first planted in the cube (without being soaked first!) two weeks ago TOMORROW. She sprouted in about three days, so she's something like 11 days old now and 9 days in the cloner.

I'm not saying she's not stunted, but isn't it a little early to make that conclusion? I had a stunted Lucy, and this one is NOTHING like that one.

Are you guys saying that you would also have expected much more root development?
 
I think we're using different definitions of the word "stunted"....

When I mentioned the Lucy I had that was stunted, she had small cotyledons, small leaves, and was only 6" tall with 8 nodes. That plant was just visibly smaller than a typical MJ plant.

That is not the case with the Power Skunk. Her growth may be "stunted" for some reason, but the plant appears normal above ground except for the slight yellowing (which looks like a manganese deficiency, but may be due to the root issue). I'm just a little concerned about the lack of roots below ground.

If I believe she's truly stunted (not just slower growth) or has some other genetic problem, I'll definately toss her.

But, if it's a problem with the res, or just her initial root development, and her genetics are good, I'd like to get her to the point where I can at least take clones, even if I decide not to flower her.

I'll check PH again tonight and that should give a better indication as to whether there's some problem with the res.
 
Quixilvir said:
I feel that since she's your only PS seedling, you should give it a shot. Mr. Smith is probably right, although you may be able to learn something new here.
I've done some seriously sloppy things, on purpose, to start my learning curve at the bottom. That way, all I can do is improve, and I have experience dealing with issues which should help me in the future. You would think that with only two weeks of stress, you would be able to see marked improvement over the next month if you can get the problem fixed soon....
Just my two....
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I have been doing stuff like this for some time lol. I started textbook then started smoking too much and got sloppy as hell. My learning curve was a rollercoaster ride with great thrills and terrible misfortunes.


Mr. Krip, you have root rot. Something is not right with the clone and the seedling. The clone looks savagable, just cut off the dark spots clean the system and correct the problem. The seedling looks rough and I ain't talking about the yellowing, looks like your stalk is starting to rot. You should know within the week if she's savagable but that lil root sticking out was your main tap and its damaged. You damage the main tap on any plant and it grows like a retard handycap dwarf via stunted. My personal opinian, I believe your medium was a poor choice for dwc and retains too much water.
Is the PowerSkunk from Kannabia?
Out of the 3 strains I had from them the ps was my favorate for high, smell and flavor.

This was my ps mum I recently flowered.
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A good yeilder to boot.

I wish you good luck and I am not trying to be mean in anyway.
 
Mr Smith said:
I have been doing stuff like this for some time lol. I started textbook then started smoking too much and got sloppy as hell. My learning curve was a rollercoaster ride with great thrills and terrible misfortunes.


Mr. Krip, you have root rot. Something is not right with the clone and the seedling. The clone looks savagable, just cut off the dark spots clean the system and correct the problem. The seedling looks rough and I ain't talking about the yellowing, looks like your stalk is starting to rot. You should know within the week if she's savagable but that lil root sticking out was your main tap and its damaged. You damage the main tap on any plant and it grows like a retard handycap dwarf via stunted. My personal opinian, I believe your medium was a poor choice for dwc and retains too much water.
Is the PowerSkunk from Kannabia?
Out of the 3 strains I had from them the ps was my favorate for high, smell and flavor.

This was my ps mum I recently flowered.
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A good yeilder to boot.

I wish you good luck and I am not trying to be mean in anyway.
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Mr. Smith, you're not being mean at all and your input is VERY welcome!!!

I thought I may have a problem and wanted help, which is why I made that post, and I truly appreciate your responding. :thankyou:

I'll see what we can do! She is from Kannabia!
 
The PE smoke review was awesome. Can't wait to try it. I'm two weeks away from smoking it. It has another week to go, flushing atm.

Mr Smith mentioned the key factors about the roots. I'm going to do a check up on the DWC tonight. Wish you the best getting the problem resolved.
 
Thanks, guys! I'm not gonna be able to address the res for a few hours, so I just put in 5 ml of DM Zone and 1.5 sh1tloads of H2O2 to try to slow any damage until I can deal with it! I really appreciate the help! :thankyou:
 
ROOT ISSUES UPDATE!

OK...First, let me thank you guys again for the help! :thanks:

Here's the report:

It did appear I may have had a slight case of pythium (if there is such a thing as "slight" when it comes to root rot!) setting in. Before we talk about the actions I've taken, let's talk about what I could have done better...

I made a couple of "rookie mistakes" that hopefully we all can learn from.

First, XLR8 first pointed out the darker roots just about a week ago, now. I was aware of this, and had considered possible pythium, but the way I dealt with it was to keep lifting the plant out of the res and seeing if the roots got noticably worse, which they really didn't until today (I'm sure constantly exposing the res to the light by lifting the plant didn't help any!), and/or if the plant was looking unhappy, which didn't happen until the last couple of days when I first noticed some yellowing.

Next, I never took the cubes out of the netpots to get a real good view of what was really going on.

Perhaps this served me well, since it's better than I expected, it may have forced me to wait until things got much worse. But, what led to my thinking there may be a problem was that the Power Skunk seedling only had a single taproot showing, and I was expecting much more root development.

Well, that was a single taproot that made it's way out of the bottom of the netpot, but when I removed the cube tonight, this is what I saw:

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There's some nice healthy, white roots coming out of the cube, they just hadn't worked their way out of the netpot, yet! :)

Also, you can see the very end of the taproot, where that abnormal "kink" is and the root turns into a darker strand. Well, this is virtually the ONLY dark spot on all the roots that are visible. Also, above the "kink" there is plenty of more white root out of the cube, with a nice "fishbone" already there.

My experience in maintaining the bonsais has taught me that it's basically no problem taking up to 1/3 of the roots off, although, I would NEVER try to take that much with a seedling!!! But, there was so little damage and so much more roots than I had realized, I'm quite confident she can recover.

So, I mixed a small batch of water & H2O2 at a 50/50 ratio, sterlilized some scissors with alcohol, removed the brown patch, and soaked the cube in the H2O2 solution for about 5-10 minutes.

There was a good amount of bubbling when I dropped the seedling's cube in:

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Until I feel more comfortable with the cloner, I went back to my tried & true method of a 100% perlite hempy with a light dose of nutes that included some SuperThrive to help with any stress.

Sorry for the angle/quality of this pic!:

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The clone, compared to the seedling, actually had much more brown showing on the roots, but also has some VERY nice, healthy roots, so again, what's bad only makes up a small percent of what's there:

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Again, I felt comfortable trimming the roots and am confident she will also recover fully.

I thought it a little odd her cube didn't bubble as much in the H2O2 solution, but she got the same treatment as the seedling, first a bath:

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Then a transplant (she also got a slight trim of some extra fan leaves):

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So, in hindsight, I violated one of my own "top 5 lessons" by NOT listening to the plants (or XLR8!) early when they were clearly trying to tell me something, although, I was listening enough to at least start paying some close attention!

Then, I didn't do my "due dilligence" by closely inspecting the cube.

In spite of this, we may still get both babies to maturity!

Thanks again for everyone's help!

K
 
I wouldnt have been able to tell you what the problem is with those youngins but i hope they heal up nice and well. And those waterfarm ladies are bringing up some wonderful fuzzy balls!
 
Magic beans said:
I wouldnt have been able to tell you what the problem is with those youngins but i hope they heal up nice and well. And those waterfarm ladies are bringing up some wonderful fuzzy balls!
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Thanks, Magic! No problem on not being able to help, but please don't say, "balls"!!! :rofl:
 
Mr Smith said:
Damn. You were busy. I am so glad you hopped right on it and the transplant to hempy was such a great ideal and the detailed pics along with what you did is textbook. Your no slouch. Rep and rate is due.
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Thanks, Mr. Smith! And, thanks for your help earlier! :thanks:

Please don't every be afraid to give your opinions here! Don't be offended if I go a different way, but your voice is always welcome and I truly appreciate any/all constructive input!
 
whats up krip, how are you./ u out there?:MoreNutes:
 
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