Decoding The Holy Grail: Terpene & Cannabinoid Retention: Decarb to Extraction

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This it the chart Canyon used to explain to me the conversion of cannabinoids, particularly CBGA.
 
bebecillo said:
So is the Nova the best method, excluding terpenes?
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We don't know yet. We were supposed to do a side by side comparison with the oven decarb but the oven would not stabilize. That was a biggie that got away. As for terpenes, the jury is out on that also. I think if we get the 2hr extraction tested it will tell us what survived both decarb and infusion.
 
I'm on overload. lol. I think for now I will just look at the tests directly relating to our tests. Looks like some terps survived in the FHO. I guess we can look at the bud terps and then the oil and see which ones are the heartiest. It will probably always be pretty much the same ones.
 
You Guys ROCK

so I blogged this, the 2 posts with the test results, including the FIX of #12 as well as Post #109 so I can easily review the DATA

So It appears, as expected, Oils loose terpins, but appears the infusion seems very good

Can Terps be tested on RAW flower? Or are they already done as Raw?

That would be interesting to see how much is in a RAW product vs after Decarb

Im still reading and learning, great Job

Still Lost a bit on each test Name, Flower is easy But what is each One specifically.. IE

Test Number 7
Strain Nightmare Cookies
Decard type???
Terpin Test is Test ???

That info would be nice also in order to categorize them Like....

Oven Decarb
Nova
Low-n-slo cure
Old school cure
2hr decarb
36hr decarb
etc etc etc

Fun Fun Fun, im sure more thoughts will slip into my brain as the coffee starts working:high-five::bravo:
 
That info would be nice also in order to categorize them Like...."

We labeled the reports for my visit.
We have the raw bud profile. that is Nighmare tested as Extreme.
then the decarbed bud = NCD
Then the 2hr extraction = 2hr NC
Then the spent mtl recycled = 2hr_DNC

Hope that helps.
 
Kicknitup1 said:
That info would be nice also in order to categorize them Like...."

We labeled the reports for my visit.
We have the raw bud profile. that is Nighmare tested as Extreme.
then the decarbed bud = NCD
Then the 2hr extraction = 2hr NC
Then the spent mtl recycled = 2hr_DNC

Hope that helps.
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AHHHHHHHHH yes it does:thumb:
 
Scorpio420 said:
You Guys ROCK

so I blogged this, the 2 posts with the test results, including the FIX of #12 as well as Post #109 so I can easily review the DATA



So It appears, as expected, Oils loose terpins, but appears the infusion seems very good

Can Terps be tested on RAW flower? Or are they already done as Raw?

That would be interesting to see how much is in a RAW product vs after Decarb

Im still reading and learning, great Job

Still Lost a bit on each test Name, Flower is easy But what is each One specifically.. IE

Test Number 7
Strain Nightmare Cookies
Decard type???
Terpin Test is Test ???

That info would be nice also in order to categorize them Like....

Oven Decarb
Nova
Low-n-slo cure
Old school cure
2hr decarb
36hr decarb
etc etc etc

Fun Fun Fun, im sure more thoughts will slip into my brain as the coffee starts working:high-five::bravo:
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Scorpio,
Thanks, I was going to add a short description to each test. By the time I had most of the images in the right order the preview post option was acting a little weird. So I posted it before I lost the whole thing.

The tests are listed with the oldest one first. The top of each test has the info about the test. Beside the Type: line it will say Flower or Oil. The Test: line will have the actual test type.

The cannabinoid tests are offered at 3 levels. The Express Test is a reasonably priced way to get the information that is on the first test listed. It is a 'while you wait' offering. You can even take your material home with you. It is nondestructive. The other two have more information and are more accurate .

The terpene tests have 2 levels.

For the most part, I have ordered the Estended teats for the flowers to get the complete profile and the standard tests for the oils to use for comparisons for both cannabinoids and terpenes.

Tests 9 through 12 are of Extreme OG. They are the ones that we just got the terpene results on 9/1. I had intended to have the flower samples then the oil samples after them. Oh well.

11 a d 12 are the flower samples and 9 and 10 are the infused oil.

The flower sample was air dried.

The oil sample was nearly fresh harvest. It was washed, trimmed and placed in a refrigerator for about two days. The idea was to oven decarb at low temperature without adding any extra water. The rest is in post 109.

There was another reason to get the flower terpene sample. At the time I ordered the Extreme tests I had terpene tests for two ghost train plants (tests 3 and 6) as well as the Nightmare Cookies (test 8). The Ghost Train was air dried and the NC was low n slow dried. The Ghost plants had about15mg/g of terpenes and the NC had about 4mg/g. Both are 80/20 sativa dominant plants. I thought that with the extended drying time the NC plant may be losing more terpenes than we thought.

The Extreme plant is 70/30 Indicia dominant. The Extreme flower test actually tested with less terpenes than the NC plant. That would tend to rule out large losses from LnS drying.

My wife had a knee replacement a few months ago and she needs to have some scar tissue removed plus whatever else the find in Albuquerque. The preop appointment is the 11th. And. Surgery about ten days later. That will give us time decide what will buy us the most.

Hopefully, I can get another post up today about the samples we have. There is also the option of running a new test.

I was going to smoke what is left of the NC buds from the original test batch and I am going to smoke most of them. I'll hold a few for whatever. I have a smallish plant due for harvest in about 10 days and another that is at day 32 of flower. Plus I have a lot of jars with a small amount of something green in them and I need the jars. Sigh, I'll get by.

Best
 
bebecillo said:
Basically terpenes are really important but no decarbing method is specially good.

Best decarbing method is a nova decarbolyxer, giving even better results than oil. It's more efficient and there's less terpene losses there.
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Thanks for that.

I've gotta say I'm really skeptical of expensive gadgets. So has anyone gotten good, scientifically valid numbers to support that this thing is worth buying? I'm not asking for a personal tutorial, I just don't wanna have to read hundreds of pages to get to the gist. (Maybe that is asking for a personal tutorial.)
 
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