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Okay, how much water needs to come out of the pot for a soil flush, and then won't the plant drown while sitting in a saturated pot?
Couldn't Resist A Christmas Auto Grow
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2-3 times the volume of the pot is considered a true flush, and it drains out as you pour it in so it's no more saturated than a good top-watering would do.
Since you're growing in a swick, the plants are already used to more water in the pot/soil than a "standard" pot.
No worries, Carmen- just flush the crap out of that pot!
No worries, Carmen- just flush the crap out of that pot!
Gee64
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Its possible you just got a weak or very finicky plant and you did everything right and its never going to be happy. I have never grown an auto but I hear that it happens with autos. Let her ride and see what happens.Thank you. Yes for comparison here is my Red Russian next to the little Skywalker Kush. Her color is yellow like that because of the light. I had to keep changing settings and I couldn't get the white balance on this one. Also watered to runoff and swick reset, hence slight droop in leaves but no curling that I can see.
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I swear the leaves are looking perkier this morning but I'll wait and watch. Yeah, she is crystalizing deluxe so I don't want to put her off stride just yet. Thank you Gee.
Thank you Shed. I may have to but I'd rather not if I can help it. I think it is quite extreme, but I will wait and see for another dayish.
Lmao Carcass. That sounds perfectly rational to me but I want to hang in for a bit if I can..... we'll see later in the day ... too much of
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@StoneOtter , @Gee64 , @Azimuth @Lerugged anyone who is in the know please................... I decided to go ahead with the flush and so far 7.5 L have gone in, I should have asked Shed this morning but I didn't. When he says 2-3 times the volume of the pot and the pot is 20 L, would I have to pour 40 L of dechlorinated water through the los? ta much! I have run out of dechlorinated now and can't afford to buy in.
Yes a 20lt pot needs 40 to 60lt of water through it.
Honestly I've never used dechlorinated water for anything. I use the tap water from a hose pipe and I've had no issues ever. There are still tons of critters in the soil and the mycelium networks are still there and growing afterwards. Just my experience.
Otherwise fill a bucket with tap water and leave it in the sun for a half day or so. The sun will eat up any chlorine in the tap water.
Honestly I've never used dechlorinated water for anything. I use the tap water from a hose pipe and I've had no issues ever. There are still tons of critters in the soil and the mycelium networks are still there and growing afterwards. Just my experience.
Otherwise fill a bucket with tap water and leave it in the sun for a half day or so. The sun will eat up any chlorine in the tap water.
There are two potential critter killing inputs that municipalities often add to tap water, chlorine and chloramine, and some use both. The first will off gas by just letting it sit 24 hours in an open container but the second won't. The chemicals used are usually disclosed or available for the asking.
Both, however, will fall out of solution with a small bit of a vitamin C tablet, crushed into a powder and stirred in. Works almost immediately.
Both, however, will fall out of solution with a small bit of a vitamin C tablet, crushed into a powder and stirred in. Works almost immediately.
Yes that. So get you some super C's if you don't have vit c. Possibly citric acid may help but I've actually no idea
When you're done flushing be sure to end with a full feeding dose of water containing food.
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You were correct I think, and I was silly not to clarify the volume of the water needed to flush.
Yup right out, all the crap gone I hope!
Her leaves were starting to get a bit crispy and I thought an emergency flush was probably the right thing to do after all. I will hopefully get a couple of shots in a few hours... 6 hours till sundown.
I should try to remember to ask. At the moment I am not sure what we are getting through the taps to be honest. There are several burst water pipes in our area per day. Then we go without water and I don't know what we get in the flow when it returns.
This is the way..... Thank you. What strength Vit C tabs would you recommend?
Shed will be in later so he may know this one. I do have citric acid. I have lemons too.
Eish, done whew! I usually fill my bottles and leave them to stand at least overnight before I feed. I do that for my own drinking water too.
Thank you. Do you think that can wait until tomorrow, or should I try tonight? It is warm under that light and they have the rotating fan blowing on them 24/7 (ish... cuz Eskom)
Guys thank you! I did it. It took me 3.5 hours and I am now taking a little break... sjoe! I also emptied RR's res and gave them both plain tap water in the res. I watered RR's top feeder roots and am done for now. Her leaves were starting to look a bit downward turning but not curling down at the tips. I hope that is sorted now and I don't have to flush her. That would be dramatic and very difficult due to her size. It's tricky to get in there to top water.
As Lerugged came to the rescue, I'll call this "asked and answered"!
It has to be ascorbic acid, so make sure that's what it says on the bottle.
"Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and sodium ascorbate completely neutralize both chlorine and chloramine, but degrade in a day or two, which makes them usable only for short-term applications. SFPUC determined that 1000 mg of vitamin C tablets, crushed and mixed in with bath water, completely remove chloramine in a medium-size bathtub without significantly depressing pH"
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Greetings again friends and mentors all,Flowering Shrink Update: Thur 26th Jan
I would like to understand why my pretty RR XXL has shrunk in height by 6 cm in 4 days.... The plants are both 13 days in flower which puts that at two weeks. I am pleased with the growth tops on the RR but I am also concerned that I have actually
squished a few budlets and some of the pistils look a little bashed up and not all perfectly white. Do you think they will recover, given that they are all still young blooms?
I hope Carcass, GDB and Shed are right and that my struggling SK Auto may being to perform at some point ... sigh.
Thank you Shed for introducint me to the save thingy. NOw I didn't lose my post mwah!
Pikchus
I gave em both a dose of the bottles I photographed... top end.... trickle around "feeder roots" cos I won't know wtf the roots are doing until harvest.
God, I love you people, you are my fam.
I have just done a table to show what I fed when. If you look at the Skywalker Kush back then on 26 Jan, those leaves are already indicating Nitrogen Toxicity and I gave her Calmag (with Nitrogen in it) as part of a cocktail which is all in the first pic on the above update post.
I thought some may be interested to see the feeding chart, and some may be willing to speculate about where I went wrong. If you look at the dates on the chart, it is possible to trace back to photographs by date
. I think this Nitrogen thing goes way back. I just didn't pick it up. Look at those pointy down leaf ends even in veg.
Maybe when I damaged her stem some essential nutes couldn't get through and it caused the toxicity?
If you have some time on your hands, I'd be super grateful if some of you had a looksee and tell me what you think went wrong where.
Thank you for the visit and input! Enjoy your weekend!
I don't have time at the moment, but I do know that I've never seen nute toxicities or deficiencies from supercopping. Also, I can't remember why are you supplementing this LOS hand-built soil. If it's just some rust spots I maybe a onetime application would be better rather than for the rest of the life of the plant.
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Thank you! So if my pots have 20 L capacity each and I have another few liters in each res, do you think 500mg / 1000mg would be the right one to feed them both top and bottom? Do you think I need to do both plants, or just the Skywalker? Or, should I top feed this to run off.... actually yes I'd have to because you said that the effects I am after from the ascorbic acid are short lived. Shall I do a drench tomorrow with Vit C 500mg? Can you overdo it and cause further harm? Can I add the bloom stuff with the ascorbic acid? Bio-bloom by Biobizz is derived from molasses and seaweed. NPK 2-7-4. The instruction is to feed daily for the full duration of flower. Hmm after all this prattle, it's beginning to dawn on me that I have to do top water and res.... shall I do that?
They are certainly reaching for the moon and the stars atm, with their arms having lifted significantly after the watering. Power out until 22h30, so I will get a couple of shots then. I actually think I only need do the Skywalker, but will wait for suggestions.... Thanks heaps!
What I did this time, was I mixed a third of a bag of unused soil with the used soil and a bit of used potting soil. I amended that with Jamie's Elemental Blend as per instruction, so blended all that together. Some local friends recommended using the Seagrow through veg but I won't do it again. The 401 is just microbes, and then the myco. The calcium wasn't throughout the grow. It was late veg 1 Jan, and then 3 weeks into flower 1 Feb, so only twice I think, and a month apart at the recommended dose on the bottle. The next time I gave them calcium was when it was pointed out to me by Azi that I had developed a Nitrogen Toxicity. I went ahead with the Calcium,, thinking I had got to grips with the chemistry as explained by Gee, but I messed up, hence the flush today.... maybe my table is not as clear as it could be. I'm bushed. Are you still at work?
I did a bit more than super crop I'm afraid to say. I split the stem vertically quite badly and I was too embarrassed to admit it at the time. Also I wanted to see how it would heal. I didn't bandage it. I just left it.
Chat later when you have some time on your hands
The treated water is for flush only, not for feeding, and only if your water is treated with chloramine. Chlorine evaporates in 24 hours.
If you think a flush is needed, that water is poured on top and immediately drained out the bottom into the sewer system or your garden. That's where I flush mine because drought.
The one with the signs of N tox on the larger fans would the only one.
That's what the Wikipedia article says
but it applies to folks using it industrially. It works fine for our dissolve-and-pour needs.I've split and taped stems together and never had any nute damage appear on the part beyond the break.
Yikes! This is supersoil? Then just water.
I got confused. Sorry. I thought they looked pretty good as was.
I had that problem too- my plants are usually pretty short, so I use this to water in under the foliage... It's tricky to get in there to top water.
*Also great for filling a SIP without spilling anything...
In my world working in supersoil I add water and microbes and things like that in general. Supersoil relies on itself as I know it, and needs a little help here and there. Nutes mess things up in my garden because the soil has enough in it. You just have to get a feel for what helps and what doesn't. Not helpful I know. I didn't see things went wrong really.Greetings again friends and mentors all,
I have just done a table to show what I fed when. If you look at the Skywalker Kush back then on 26 Jan, those leaves are already indicating Nitrogen Toxicity and I gave her Calmag (with Nitrogen in it) as part of a cocktail which is all in the first pic on the above update post.
I thought some may be interested to see the feeding chart, and some may be willing to speculate about where I went wrong. If you look at the dates on the chart, it is possible to trace back to photographs by date
. I think this Nitrogen thing goes way back. I just didn't pick it up. Look at those pointy down leaf ends even in veg.
Maybe when I damaged her stem some essential nutes couldn't get through and it caused the toxicity?
If you have some time on your hands, I'd be super grateful if some of you had a looksee and tell me what you think went wrong where.
Thank you for the visit and input! Enjoy your weekend!
Does the soil direct you to feed it with npk type nutes.