Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

[bobrown14]

That's a massive beast of some buddage... Some creature growing up from that pot............... GL there Mister BBrown

Keepem Green

Thanks Woody... lesson lernt (again): careful what I wish for.

Yeah its getting a little out of hand and nothing I can do about it. Colas are shooting up EVERYHWERE. Its like I'm out doors .. I just did an IPM. I'm worried about critters. There's no way in hell I'm going to catch an outbreak now, I'd have to use hedge trimmers to make a hole to get in there.

There's something I'm doing that is causing all the plants to take a long time to flower and stretch and then keep stretching and flowering.

Maybe the new lamps ... ?? Man If I had a larger grow space I'd be golden. I think for next round its dump the tent and get 2 4x8 flood trays ... room already white - I just need to get off my ass and get down to the hydro store.

Speaking of wild and wooly - Family Pics time:

Pics taken from me standing there I'm 5'10" dripping wet... almost every plant is over head high.

Right to left - big cola on the rt is Labyrinth #1 - next in the back back of fan leaf - Dolato... she's still stretching and filling in the empty spots. On the left big cola to the fans is Chemdawg. In the back is next pic.

Chemdawg on the left and in the back are DT #6 and #7 - #7 is starting heavy into fad and turning gold. We still have several weeks to go here. Once all those big fans fall off, there's Labyrinth #2 on the right just peaking her tops up to the canopy.

Mainly DT #7 in the back there... colas.

DT #6 & DT #7 - tied all the main colas back away from center, the lower branches took their places. Each plant has 2 or 3 main colas tied to the edge and some more fatty colas in the center not as tall. I was actually a little worried about DT #6 falling over! The pot weighs about 50# easy so unless we get some serious wind, I'm good.
I did paint a few colas on #6 and am seeing some seeds.. So proud daddy here. I harvested a bunch of pollen from the male PMB and threw him ind the compost... Adios Amigos. Several of my Ghost Train Haze AUTOs have seeds as well not a lot but some. Those GTH plants are actually starting to smell pretty good, finally. Very funky a little skunk and some fuel with pine. They smell pretty strong but are not big and kinda looking a little shabby. Not very picturesque.

These colas are over head high - Pic taken at eye level. Yeah wow.. I'm amazed just standing there. Now I know what Sphinx feels like with 12'-16' monsters outdoors. I'm so proud of my girls.

Moving on..

Labyrinth #1 - side colas .. starting to get some color. Got some purps but hard to see with the Mars color from the 1750K lamps.

Twin Tower Colas.. DT #6 left - DT #7 right (DT #6 is pregnant so seeing less density here)

DT #6 - side cola close up...

Labyrinth #1 - side cola color changed to remove orange Mars color from the 1750K lamps

Dolato #1 bent down cola shot.. she's got several main colas.. very unusual for indoors. They are all 7' and growing.

Labyrinth #1 lower nugs

I'll get some happy daddy seed shots up next!

Happy New Years everybody - stay safe stay happy!

Cheers

 

[Pennywise]

Congrats on the seeds, I got a few seeds in the Labyrinth.

 

[MagicJim]

Beautiful shots Bo. Devils Tit with Purple Monkey Balls. I hurt myself laughing

Happy New Year!

 

[Cultivator]

Hi mate.

Ive came over as i saw you won the journal of the month competition. Very well done.

So i went to page 1 and sae this journal was started in 2015 and over 100 pages long. I just dont have the time to read through 100 pages. So this is very rude but i have no idea on your set up, what you grow in or anything really lol. I know its on me to read that info and i will go back a dozen or so pages and flick tbrough. Ive always found it difficult to involve myself in journals that i havent seen from the beginning. I dont follow lots of journals these days as i have quite a busy schedule and sometimes i struggle to make sure my own pages are getting the updates required. However i have mad a concious decision to try involve myself in other peoples journals to both share my knoledge and get a feel for what everyone else does, i can get quite wrapped up in my own work sometimes and dont have patience with other growers and im trying to fix that.

Would you mind giving me a brief description of what you are doing, id be grateful as it will save me alot of reading. I know iys a little rude to ask as the info is there but im interested in what you are doing.

Thankyou.

 

[4Dutchess]

Hi mate.

Ive came over as i saw you won the journal of the month competition. Very well done.

So i went to page 1 and sae this journal was started in 2015 and over 100 pages long. I just dont have the time to read through 100 pages. So this is very rude but i have no idea on your set up, what you grow in or anything really lol. I know its on me to read that info and i will go back a dozen or so pages and flick tbrough. Ive always found it difficult to involve myself in journals that i havent seen from the beginning. I dont follow lots of journals these days as i have quite a busy schedule and sometimes i struggle to make sure my own pages are getting the updates required. However i have mad a concious decision to try involve myself in other peoples journals to both share my knoledge and get a feel for what everyone else does, i can get quite wrapped up in my own work sometimes and dont have patience with other growers and im trying to fix that.

Would you mind giving me a brief description of what you are doing, id be grateful as it will save me alot of reading. I know iys a little rude to ask as the info is there but im interested in what you are doing.

Thankyou.

Thats as polite as heck, Cultivator.

 

[Tomula]

Yeah its getting a little out of hand and nothing I can do about it. Colas are shooting up EVERYHWERE. Its like I'm out doors .. I just did an IPM. I'm worried about critters. There's no way in hell I'm going to catch an outbreak now, I'd have to use hedge trimmers to make a hole to get in there.

There's something I'm doing that is causing all the plants to take a long time to flower and stretch and then keep stretching and flowering.

Maybe the new lamps ... ?? Man If I had a larger grow space I'd be golden. I think for next round its dump the tent and get 2 4x8 flood trays ... room already white - I just need to get off my ass and get down to the hydro store.

Happy New Years everybody - stay safe stay happy!

Cheers

Thank you and happy New Year to you as well! As for the slow start of flowering, apart from right photo length another great factor is temp difference between day and night. As for the outbreaks, Doc Bud uses some kind of sulfur smoke bath for the whole tent that can be used for some pest control and maybe even more. Also more red spectrum leads to more stretch. Do you have all lights up at the same time? Now get off that ass boy and make yourself satisfied and the plants comfy!
Cheers man!

 

[Pennywise]

Happy New Year Bob! The Labs are the stickiest I've grown and love the high. This is one strain I'd like a good mother from. I used STS to produce pollen sacs and did S1's.

 

[ilikemsticky]

hey bob came by to check out your jungle wow you've got a lot going on in there your killing it good job,and happy new year your starting it out rite with all those girls good luck man!

 

[TheFertilizer]

Hi mate.

Ive came over as i saw you won the journal of the month competition. Very well done.

So i went to page 1 and sae this journal was started in 2015 and over 100 pages long. I just dont have the time to read through 100 pages. So this is very rude but i have no idea on your set up, what you grow in or anything really lol. I know its on me to read that info and i will go back a dozen or so pages and flick tbrough. Ive always found it difficult to involve myself in journals that i havent seen from the beginning. I dont follow lots of journals these days as i have quite a busy schedule and sometimes i struggle to make sure my own pages are getting the updates required. However i have mad a concious decision to try involve myself in other peoples journals to both share my knoledge and get a feel for what everyone else does, i can get quite wrapped up in my own work sometimes and dont have patience with other growers and im trying to fix that.

Would you mind giving me a brief description of what you are doing, id be grateful as it will save me alot of reading. I know iys a little rude to ask as the info is there but im interested in what you are doing.

Thankyou.

Bob is one of the (if not THE) expert members on 420magazine when it comes to organic, living soil. I'll let Bob speak for himself as far what he does goes, but you won't find someone disagree with me when I say Bob knows his shit, and is at the top of his game for sustainable organic cultivation. I know from reading your posts you're not too keen on soil, but if you ever got interested in trying it again, Bob's the man to talk to.

I often times just lurk around in here to learn new and interesting shit, so had to give that shoutout to Bob.

 

[dr.h00k]

Happy New Year bob!......cheerz...h00k...

 

[bobrown14]

Hi mate.

Ive came over as i saw you won the journal of the month competition. Very well done.

So i went to page 1 and sae this journal was started in 2015 and over 100 pages long. I just dont have the time to read through 100 pages. So this is very rude but i have no idea on your set up, what you grow in or anything really lol. I know its on me to read that info and i will go back a dozen or so pages and flick tbrough. Ive always found it difficult to involve myself in journals that i havent seen from the beginning. I dont follow lots of journals these days as i have quite a busy schedule and sometimes i struggle to make sure my own pages are getting the updates required. However i have mad a concious decision to try involve myself in other peoples journals to both share my knoledge and get a feel for what everyone else does, i can get quite wrapped up in my own work sometimes and dont have patience with other growers and im trying to fix that.

Would you mind giving me a brief description of what you are doing, id be grateful as it will save me alot of reading. I know iys a little rude to ask as the info is there but im interested in what you are doing.

Thankyou.

First off happy new year.... thanks for stopping by. Just look at the pictures as far back as you feel like.. I like looking at the pictures I think its the best part!

Everybody does things a little different as far a growing techniques go I think.

I can give a brief description for sure

Lighting is all Timber Vero 29 V7 Cobs - I've got 12 of em in a 8x5 space 10 are 3K and 2 are 1750K - they are on one side only and give some of the pics that orange color. Jury still out on the 1750s - pulling about 1250 watts at the wall. Including fans.

Soil - organic soil - "Coots" style.... Clackamas Coots soil mix... it's a recipe of sorts

Water - filtered reverse osmosis into a 70gal reservoir

Containers are AutoPot XL - 7.5gal (1 cu ft) - automated watering system, waters from the btm up, plants drink as much water as they want.

soil mix is:

1/3 Peat moss - Canadian... I use the cheapest I can find that's from Canada. I don't use ProMix its over priced I do use the same exact product from the same company Premier that also make ProMix... not that ProMix isn't good, it is but its $40 where I live and the Premier is $10, same stuff.

1/3 Aeration - I use Perl-lite

1/3 Hummus - this is where the goodness comes from. We make our own Vermicompost. We have 2 bins in rotation, we fill one all growing season and harvest the other one all growing season to include outdoor and indoor gardening.

So the hummus portion is about 2/3 vermicompost and 1/3 worm castings we get from our local forest (harvest our own or store bought depending on timing). If we use the "wild" castings, the soil mix will have a lot of worms in it eventually. They will be the European Night Crawlers - those big ones folks like to use for fishing. In our Vermicompost bins we have both the Euros and the red wigglers. The Euros dig deeper and the red wigglers stay close to the surface. Both make their way into the soil mix....

Then a list of amendments - this gets mixed into the soil when mixing and also will add a cup of this and a cup of EWC at up-pot.
We run #3 nursery pots in VEG for 6 weeks or so then up-pot and amend to the 7.5gal final pots and into flower

Amendment mix - this is where "Coots" comes in and the person I got this mix from - credit goes to Coots and this mix can be purchased at several online stores as well as many nurseries on the west coat USA or buy ingredients and mix your own:

Per cubic foot of soil mix:

Malted Barley 1/2 cup

Crustacean Meal - (aka crab meal/Lobster meal/shrimp meal) - 1/2 cup

Kelp Meal - 1/2 cup

Neem Cake - 1/2 cup

Karanja Cake - 1/2 cup

Basalt 2 cups

Gypsum - 1 cup

Oyster Shell Flour - 1 cup

I only recommend substituting the Basalt IF I was going to sub.... it's para-magnetic rock so sub appropriately. When we were working on this recipe - we tried a bunch of different rock dusts. Ended up with the Basalt ....its cheap but can use what's available locally.

Apply at a rate of 2 cups amendment mix per cubic foot of soil mix and 1 cup at up-pot after the first round.

1 cubic foot = 7.5 gallons

This Soil mix will last in containers a few years so I would say 8 runs then I re-cycle it and do another mix. At up-pot I take about 1/2 of the container of soil out and put in a bin to use later.

To the hole I add in mycos - 3 different types and a cup of EWC - loosely mix the mycos and the EWC:
1tsp of VAM, 1 tsp of Sustainable Agricultural Technologies Endo Mycorrhizae, 1tbs of Mykes brand Mycorrhizae

put in the new root ball from the #3 nursery pot - on top of the EWC/mycos mix and pour a cup of the amendment mix around the root ball mixed in with some soil from the large tote I use for extra soil. Fill in around the root ball with soil from my tote that is the soil mix above.

Top water and into flower in the base of the Auto-Pot system.

IPM is part of my routine

IPM Recipe:

Weekly I spray all plants with:

1gal water
1 tbs - Monterrey Garden spray (spinosad) - 2-3 tbs IF I have mites... and I usually do in the spring.
1/4 cup of Horsetail Fern Tea (can water this in as well)
1/4 cup of Kelp Tea - sometimes I make it from Kelp meal or make a mix from Maxi-Crop I use both
1 tsp - Pro-Tekt - Silica
1 cap full of Fulpower (fulvic acid - organic)

Spray plants top to btm and btm to top and do it again.

Early on I will make an ACT - aerated compost tea with 1cup of EWC and 1/2 cup of Kelp Meal.... I don't usually add BSM but it's good to add to your ACT to feed the micro-organsms. I use a professional size air pump ( Elemental 951 GPH Air Pump) not an aquarium pump. The name of the game here is disolved oxygen - we can't get enough of that will a small aquarium pump in a 5 gal bucket of water.... maybe in 2 gal is OK for a smaller pump.

I'll make 4-5 gallons of ACT - I don't use it all in the containers. We have outdoor gardens so a cup or 2 per container, the rest goes outside.

Can spruce up the ACT with a 1/4 cup of alfalfa meal... some compost if you have it... I've been adding in 1 oz of ground Malted Barley instead of molasses.

So summary:

Make compost... you can purchase this - coast of main lobster compost is good. Nothing beats home made and it's good practice and sustainable.

mix soil - can cook it but it's really ready to go. I usually top dress the mix with some Bokashi and let that sit for a week or so and ready to go....

Seedlings and/or cuts --> #3 nursery pots --> up-pot to final 7.5 gal container + mycos & amendments --> into flower and repeat

No-til organic soil - RO water

Very little work is actually done here. Mostly all I do it take pictures and post them here and look for evidence of pests.

 

[dr.h00k]

Most excellent info bob!......cheerz...h00k...

 

[brightlight]

Flower room looks like landraces growing out in the wild...all so tall & intertwined. Always great pics bob....great examples of your talented growing. Happy New Year.

 

[Cultivator]

Thank you for the lengthy reply. You saved me lits of reading. As already pointed out, im not a soil grower. Not that i hate soil but i much prefer coco for many reasons. Having said that im going to takr my time aNd read tbrough while i travel. I will learn more about soil grows and its never a bad thing to add to your arsenal of info.

Out of interest on average what would you yield per m2 and how long from start to finish for an average grow? I accept there are variables on both but just an average would be great.

Just so im clear you only add ro water when plants need a drink and all nutes are in the soil, plus some foliar sprays?

Super.

 

[Van Stank]

Hey Bob.....been away for the holiday season so haven't had a chance to pop in and wish you and your family a belated Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Looks like I have a few pages to catch up on and will get around to that today. Hope that the new year keeps you pest free and your buds giant, green and potent brother!!

 

[bobrown14]

Thank you for the lengthy reply. You saved me lits of reading. As already pointed out, im not a soil grower. Not that i hate soil but i much prefer coco for many reasons. Having said that im going to takr my time aNd read tbrough while i travel. I will learn more about soil grows and its never a bad thing to add to your arsenal of info.

Out of interest on average what would you yield per m2 and how long from start to finish for an average grow? I accept there are variables on both but just an average would be great.

Just so im clear you only add ro water when plants need a drink and all nutes are in the soil, plus some foliar sprays?

Super.

Yields per sq meter - last 2 were average 1.5#s dried trimmed and canned.

I use an automated watering system, there's a reservoir with a main water line running thru the room with branches off to each pot. I don't water, I just fill up the reservoir and the plants are welcome to drink whatever water they like.

No "nutes" in soil. In a soil grow to get nutrients to the plants roots all amendments in the soil get broken down, thru composting/vermicomposting with worms and bacteria.
When we add in amendments at up-pot they quickly become available to the plant via composting with worms and bacteria... they are in the pot doing all the heavy lifting. All I gotta do is maintain a proper environment for them to thrive. The plants works in a symbiotic relationship with the bacteria thru the rhizosphere around the roots. Roots give off root exudate that feeds and tells the bacteria what minerals and vitamins the plant needs, and the bacteria supply the roots with what they want in exchange for the root exudate that feeds the bacteria.

A good read - this is just 1 chapter of the book. If anyone reads this, you will notice that this is fairly current science. Kinda sorta how we used to "think" it happens only now we are learning a lot more about the roles of micro-organisms and symbiotic relationship with plants and the roots. 1 thing of note is that a fair percentage of energy made in the leaves makes it way to the roots and feeds the micro-herd. Why I don't trim off fan leaves or "top" a plant. Basically I get out of the way and let the plants do their thing.

4.2.1 - The rhizosphere | Plants in Action

So the only "work" during the grow is:

filling the res - consists of turning on a valve and hopefully not forgetting to turn it off or it's cleaning time.
taking pics
looking for pests - daily
IPM (which also includes some beneficials) 1 x a week ...( mostly)
ACT every so often. 3-4 times every 70 days
Staking & tying - weekly
Smoking and puffing (most of my "work" is here) daily
Have fun... I kinda figured out a way to work as little as possible, that comes back around to having fun. EveryDay.

Everyday - song was written inspired by and incident where police pulled the bus/band over looking for weed on the bus back roads in WV ..hahaha we had it waiting for them to show up at the gig. Not our first rodeo!

Send out the scouts.... FTW. Ding ding .. heavy state police presence. Buckle the seat belts. Shit storm commin.


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[Pennywise]

Down home folk right there

 

[GodOfPot]

Always awesome info and explanations Bob

Don't know if I've ever strolled through here and not learned something new....always a pleasure of a read coming through here

 

[bobrown14]

Down home folk right there

Yeah buddy... they are my friends from Up State NY... they picked a real good time to go down south... they are following the storm north tonight... safe travels to the Herd.

They actually play old time country music but needed a way to make coin so they hooked up to electricity. A good choice I think. They all fiddle around...

The bass player is Kyle... I call him Kyle Kushman... if you ever meet him you will know why.

 

[Pennywise]

He looked pretty intense compared to the rest of them. .