Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

[GodOfPot]

Heat is a result of energy being used, so the more energy in one single place the more heat...his bulbs are probably only about 100w each...no matter if HID, LED, fluorescent etc...100w from either of them put off the same amount of heat

A 1000w HID is hot to touch because all that heat is being displaced from 1 compacted area...whereas bobs are spread out across a larger area, if you put 10 x 100w COBs all grouped tightly together it'd put off the heat equivalent of a 1000w HID .

 

[bobrown14]

Most people use a lighter to showcase the size of their colas, this is definitely the first time I've ever seen anybody use a pair of felcos LMAO.... Congratulations brother those plants look insane!

Wait ... till chop, I'll take some pics with a full size loper. There's some full size colas in there. Talking 3' or more. I love hanging these babes from the rafters. My dogs go crazy, they try and jump up and grab some goodies.. they bark at em.. GTF outta here dogs.

If you combined the frost on the Lab with the colas size on the DT you'd have the holy grail!

Working on it .. got some seeds of DT x PMB on the branch and in the house. I have more LAB seeds, I'll try and see if I can grow another male, I've thrown a few of them out ....oh wait maybe I kept pollen! Shit.. now I have to organize pollen and seeds and cuts... I'm not good an organizing, but my wife is! woot

if you put 10 x 100w COBs all grouped tightly together it'd put off the heat equivalent of a 1000w HID Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

Yeah I have 12 COBs @ 1200 watts at the plug, they give off some heat.

COB tech is changing... they are getting more light for the same wattage = better efficiency. Getting close to HID for output. The heat output vs light output needs to be measured. You rarely see that discussion. I prolly missed it.

The heat vs light output is actually what we are talking about. Once LED gets above 60% efficiency... well I can't wait till its 95% efficient. I'll grow with a solar panel as my source. Oh there's another industry spawned out of the canna industry... wait, is cannabis still illegal in the USA?

I can see the whole world turning green... I hope I live long enough!

 

[Pennywise]

Keeping track of seeds I make is a chore plus several bottles of pollen. I'll figure out a system to keep it organized one day.

 

[NorCaliwood]

Hey there Mister BBrown... You look to have need of a chainsaw in there. And she looks to be still going strong from here. That is a plant that you have to take overhead space into consideration... Do some topping at her first and thrid set of leaf. Them flower immediately... That plant has hella spacing between the nodes. Is afew ways to keep her shorter. I guess you going to be super cropping that one. It's still young enough you could prune it and make a new''''' highest point and they buddage should follow.. You got a FULL house,, in three dimensional... Thanks and GL in the gardens Keepem Green

 

[bobrown14]

Hey there Mister BBrown... You look to have need of a chainsaw in there. And she looks to be still going strong from here. That is a plant that you have to take overhead space into consideration... Do some topping at her first and thrid set of leaf. Them flower immediately... That plant has hella spacing between the nodes. Is afew ways to keep her shorter. I guess you going to be super cropping that one. It's still young enough you could prune it and make a new''''' highest point and they buddage should follow.. You got a FULL house,, in three dimensional... Thanks and GL in the gardens Keepem Green

Thanks Woody.. a lopper works, the 3' long version, for now. The Dolato had a HUGE thick stem... with knuckles at the roots. It's poppin out of the container.

I just bent over the PMB above a few other plants - main cola still above the lamps but at least she's horizontal now. All the budlettes have turned up but no light there... I think she stopped stretching so should start filling in. This was the first try at PMB so I had no idea about the height.

The description from the breeder on height was "Plants are medium in height about 3 to 4 feet tall" - I guess we hit a home run with this 1. I have another female in VEG that already has pre-flowers and is 2' tall....

Landrace genetics... give them good conditions they think they are out doors. Makes me wonder why the hybrids are all shorter?? The Dolato #1 stretched like that to 6 1/2 feet. So not all the hybrids are short.

Devils Tit:

We're doing something right

to get the height

but I don't know why.

We're gettin pretty high

Gonna keep it up

Touch the sky.



Ok I took a few pics to enter into the Creme de la - pic of the month, whatever it is they are calling it now.

This is the pic I ended up with that I liked. I cropped the date but I like that pic best.

Labyrinth #1 - side cola.... I got lucky with this pic.. every once in a while I get a good one. I was getting a blur in all my pics and finally figured out the problem. I took the lens off and on the inside there was a nice spec if kaa-kaa drool or something. Wiped it clean and hey.. this was the next pic I took!

Original

Cropped to remove date and the pic I entered into the contest. The pic shows the creaminess that is in the smoke. At least I see it!

Labyrinth #1 - when the ladies are looking good, may as well take a few pics and share - eh?

Same pic up close view - orange color is from the 1750K COBs ... I tried everything to get rid of the orange and figured it out but now forgot how I did it! It's a lengthy process to go thru all the settings..I need to take notes with pics.

Labyrinth #1 - Side buds showing some purps. We are at 50ish days with this one and there are still mainly cloudy with a very few amber and still a few clear trichomes. I could chop any day but getting into taking pics now that I got rid of the blur spot. She's coming down very soon, VEG room is over flowing.

Side bud same pic - closer upper:

This pic yesterday before I cleaned the inside of the lens. Notice the blur at the very top of the cola... That was really bothering me... hopefully gone now.

Labyrinth #1 - plant pic. She's soo easy to grow, I didn't need to stake her but I needed to keep her out of the other plants way and she responds very well to LST. She likes to spread her skirt out a little bit. I have a bad habit of breaking branches. AKA: Test Buds

In this pic - there are little nuggets down low just taking a peak.. those are the frostiest buds, they are stacked with frost. Any of the colas that are not in direct light are frostiest. Making me have a think about why..... must not overthink..

DT - Family Pic #6 front #7 in the jungle - One of the Twin Towers from #6 is in the middle - the main colas are all tied to the sides and what are pictured along the edges. Fade in full on.. eventually all those big fan leaves will fall off.

Yes Jim it's a jungle.

Pedicure anyone? .... that's not me ...never mind!

Cheers

 

[Pennywise]

Labs are gorgeous!

 

[GodOfPot]

That they are, pic for the entry is top notch too....nice job

 

[ilikemsticky]

hey bob i just want to say i enjoy the show here you got it going on my friend your killing it so many choices i like your style I'm a variety guy to,your girls are beautiful man loving the lab colors makes me want to grow one,liking all the nice pics good job man keep up the good work!

 

[Guy Cavallero]

Lab = labyrinth ....got it, lol. Very impressive bob. Some of those main colas blow my mind.

 

[Van Stank]

Your girls are looking phenomenal brother! Those Labs and DTs just keep getting better and better. Which of your strains do you think smells the best?

 

[bobrown14]

Your girls are looking phenomenal brother! Those Labs and DTs just keep getting better and better. Which of your strains do you think smells the best?

Chemdawg... I have one in there in the back.. can't see it yet. I could smell her last night downstairs for about an hour after lights out and I've got a new fan with a new filter.

The Lab doesn't really smell too much while a live - lemon funk.. sorta like the smell of my soil with lemon with maybe a little cat piss mixed in. first time I took a wiff of that I had to step back away from the loppers.

But after chop when I'm trimming, then bam, face full of lemon chemical... reminds me a little of Lemon Pledge. My bro did the mix for the company that puts that shit out. They put terpines in the mix to appeal to the ladies!

After trimming this one I have to take a nap.

I try and NOT have too much smell while plants alive. I live in a city so no need to attract attention.. I can smell other grows around the neighborhoods... walking dogs. It's kinda cool. Where's that smell coming from?? hahahaha

Lab = labyrinth ....got it, lol. Very impressive bob. Some of those main colas blow my mind.

You betcha... thanks. I'm a work in progress! Our goal every year is grow enough weed to make it to Canada for the summer time. Last year I only grew 3 plants while on summer holiday. Epic yield.. still have a bunch left. Thinking canna oil FTW. Gotta get moving on that before spring time is here.

hey bob i just want to say i enjoy the show here you got it going on my friend your killing it so many choices i like your style I'm a variety guy to,your girls are beautiful man loving the lab colors makes me want to grow one,liking all the nice pics good job man keep up the good work!

Thanks Sticky... your camera skills have raised the bar for me ... and your plant selections are mighty fine. Friends go check out Sticky's journal. His plants and pics are amazing!

Lab #1 is going to come down soon. I gotta get some VEG plants in the flower space. It's not enough tho. I need to get those DT's done. Those 2 plants take up a 4x4 space and then to the ceiling.

Going to start with some more ACT tea. I got a new brewing thingy from BAS. Weather in a temporary break from arctic conditions so going to brew a tea with the new brewer tomorrow. Will be EWC/Kelp meal/malted barley... brew it up.

The malted barley will speed up finish time. The yields are already there so all that is needed is more time under the lights. Tea will mainly benefit the VEG plants that are gasping for air at this point.

 

[Pennywise]

I think my Lab is more cat piss than lemon after 3 weeks cure.

 

[GodOfPot]

Damn that weather didn't keep up long for us Bob lol...went from 12C today to feeling like -20C just over 12 hours(that's 53.6 to -4F)...

 

[TheFertilizer]

Hey Bob I was just following up on our discussion about IPM and russets...

I have neem in my soil which is why I worry that they may have got some neem resistance. That and the fact that I thought I had got rid of an infestation with some neem tea before hand, so I am worried the population I'm seeing now is from stragglers that survived the neem. I tried some spinosad, and was spraying about every 2 days, and spraying water in the interim, but the plants didn't seem to really like that treatment so much so I backed off a little bit. Plus the spinosad didn't seem that effective. I was using about 2 oz per gallon as per the instructions, about how much do you use? I wasn't even sure it was effective against them since they weren't listed in the booklet, what brand do you have? I have Montery''s Garden Insect Spray.

How much neem do you use to brew your teas with? I've been putting about 4 tbsps into a coffee filter, then tying that up and letting it steep in a gallon of water for about 48 hrs. But I don't think the plants like that so much either, they look like it burned them, so I got some Einstein Leaf Shine neem oil that I've used before--it's always really gentle and effective as hell on the broad mites.

 

[bobrown14]

Hey Fert... Spinosad works on Russets... the challenge with them is when the female goes dormant. She makes a home inside the plant tissue and waits for conditions to be good again and she pops out and starts laying eggs again. With mites a 2 prong attack is best. Spinosad you can use every 3 days for the whole grow, it shouldn't affect the health of the plant. I've never seen any negative effect using it and I use it enough...

I use 2 tbs of Monterrey garden spray (spinosad) to a 1/2 gal of water with an active infestation. I think the label reads 4 tbs/gal... every 2-3 days, for Russets thats for at least a month.

Try adding in some Pro-tekt and some Ful-Power... I also add in pure coconut water no preservatives and no sugar added.... and some Kelp tea and some Horsetail Fern Tea. I have teas in my fridge waiting .... Horsetail Fern Tea, Kelp meal tea and neem cake tea. For the teas I just pour in about 1/4 cup of each.

Yea today.. and I'm a few days away from harvest, I just found a mite outbreak. The Borg are back.. on 1 plant that I didn't have a fan pointed at and bam right at the wrong time. I've got a jungle and cant get in there to hit all the leaves etc. I'll be spraying daily until chop time. Not all the ladies are coming down. I waited too long to harvest - got greedy... happens every time. I should know better.

When you have an infestation and you go into the room and interact with your plants, remember those eggs can get on you ... and why I do very little if any interactions with my plants. You cart a few eggs away... they fall on the floor somewhere in your house... they find their way back into the garden.

Mites suck.. I always get them, its just a matter of time. Getting them this time of year and again in the late spring. I stopped IPM cause I have a room full of flowers and I don't really like to spray flowers if I don't absolutely have to. The risk is an infestation startup .. right before harvest of maybe 1/2 my room.

Also any plant material you have after harvest - needs to go in the garbage or in an HOT compost pile.

A lot of people think they can rid themselves of mites. It's probably not possible. You are managing them with an IPM (integrated pest management) not eradicating them. Eradication calls for a lot stronger chemicals. That is a WAY last resort for me.

Spinosad works on Russets... trust me... I've done a lot of research. Spray the room and the plants and the soil and the containers. Everything... even the floor outside the grow room ... it wont hurt. It's not harmful to humans and is completely Organic.

What our goal is - its to make the environment too hostile and the pests will (hopefully) move on to greener pastures.

Also do NOT keep unhealthy plants ... cull and move on. Pests attack the weakest link. Healthy strong plants are the best defense and why I give my plants lots of silica. That helps with pests and disease. Healthy plants can ward off pests - they have an immune system and can make themselves taste bad and they also can communicate to other plants close by that they are being eaten ... warning the neighbors that unwanted guests are hanging around. It's no BS.. All out war.

All we do is help a little bit.

You need to stick with the Spinosad, get in a routine and just do it.. I usually do my IPM the same time soon before lights out so the liquid stays on the leaves longer as light breaks down Spinosad pretty quickly, talking minutes, and don't skip days .. you can spray every 3 days .. I do every 2 days when there's active infestation. I will spray again tomorrow cause I know I didn't get all the plants ... I'll have to harvest a few just to get to them all.

Mites like warm DRY conditions... winter time indoors, humidity drops ... bam mites show up.

G/L hit me back with any questions. I'm heading over to your journal to check it out.

 

[ilikemsticky]

it was hard to like that comment sorry bob damm i hope you can get control of them before theres any real damage I've never had mites and don't want them good luck with your mite patrol kill them ff.!

 

[NorCaliwood]

I dealt with the russet mites acouple years ago. Nasty sobs... Made killing spider mites look easy.. I used Old Stage, Green Cleaner. Easy on plants and worked great on them. And it works with PM too. Alittle costy but worth every penny.. Plants seem to like it with lower doses kind of like wash to clean the pores out..

Looking good over these ways Mister BBrown... GL and Keepem Green

 

[dr.h00k]

I think my Lab is more cat piss than lemon after 3 weeks cure.

prolly just needs more time...that malawi of mine still had a horrid cat piss smell after a month in the jar...vacu sealed most of it along with most of the crop for the winter...left some in a small 420 jar for a couple more months...checked it out while cleaning up the stash drawer before leaving...from rank to very nice dank!...missus h00k was amazed at the transformation...finished out our last few days at home with that as a go to...cheerz...h00k...

 

[Pennywise]

I'll let it cure another month or so

 

[TheFertilizer]

Hey Fert... Spinosad works on Russets... the challenge with them is when the female goes dormant. She makes a home inside the plant tissue and waits for conditions to be good again and she pops out and starts laying eggs again. With mites a 2 prong attack is best. Spinosad you can use every 3 days for the whole grow, it shouldn't affect the health of the plant. I've never seen any negative effect using it and I use it enough...

I use 2 tbs of Monterrey garden spray (spinosad) to a 1/2 gal of water with an active infestation. I think the label reads 4 tbs/gal... every 2-3 days, for Russets thats for at least a month.

Try adding in some Pro-tekt and some Ful-Power... I also add in pure coconut water no preservatives and no sugar added.... and some Kelp tea and some Horsetail Fern Tea. I have teas in my fridge waiting .... Horsetail Fern Tea, Kelp meal tea and neem cake tea. For the teas I just pour in about 1/4 cup of each.

Yea today.. and I'm a few days away from harvest, I just found a mite outbreak. The Borg are back.. on 1 plant that I didn't have a fan pointed at and bam right at the wrong time. I've got a jungle and cant get in there to hit all the leaves etc. I'll be spraying daily until chop time. Not all the ladies are coming down. I waited too long to harvest - got greedy... happens every time. I should know better.

When you have an infestation and you go into the room and interact with your plants, remember those eggs can get on you ... and why I do very little if any interactions with my plants. You cart a few eggs away... they fall on the floor somewhere in your house... they find their way back into the garden.

Mites suck.. I always get them, its just a matter of time. Getting them this time of year and again in the late spring. I stopped IPM cause I have a room full of flowers and I don't really like to spray flowers if I don't absolutely have to. The risk is an infestation startup .. right before harvest of maybe 1/2 my room.

Also any plant material you have after harvest - needs to go in the garbage or in an HOT compost pile.

A lot of people think they can rid themselves of mites. It's probably not possible. You are managing them with an IPM (integrated pest management) not eradicating them. Eradication calls for a lot stronger chemicals. That is a WAY last resort for me.

Spinosad works on Russets... trust me... I've done a lot of research. Spray the room and the plants and the soil and the containers. Everything... even the floor outside the grow room ... it wont hurt. It's not harmful to humans and is completely Organic.

What our goal is - its to make the environment too hostile and the pests will (hopefully) move on to greener pastures.

Also do NOT keep unhealthy plants ... cull and move on. Pests attack the weakest link. Healthy strong plants are the best defense and why I give my plants lots of silica. That helps with pests and disease. Healthy plants can ward off pests - they have an immune system and can make themselves taste bad and they also can communicate to other plants close by that they are being eaten ... warning the neighbors that unwanted guests are hanging around. It's no BS.. All out war.

All we do is help a little bit.

You need to stick with the Spinosad, get in a routine and just do it.. I usually do my IPM the same time soon before lights out so the liquid stays on the leaves longer as light breaks down Spinosad pretty quickly, talking minutes, and don't skip days .. you can spray every 3 days .. I do every 2 days when there's active infestation. I will spray again tomorrow cause I know I didn't get all the plants ... I'll have to harvest a few just to get to them all.

Mites like warm DRY conditions... winter time indoors, humidity drops ... bam mites show up.

G/L hit me back with any questions. I'm heading over to your journal to check it out.

Do you know if it's safe around pets? I have the whole room quarantined right now anyway though because I bought some of those NoPest Strips to use and they say not to use in any living space. So I'm sleeping on the couch lol

I'm actually not solidly convinced the spinosad is what did the plant damage, just worried about how gentle it is beacuse of all the damage the mites and I have done. I'll do a brief run-through of what happened... I discovered the mites around Christmas, read up on them a little bit, and decided to drop my temperatures down really low by taking my heater out of the room. They plummeted down to 50 F. I ordered the spinosad and sprayed every 2-3 days, but I can't really tell you when I started that, I'm not sure when it arrived in the mail. But I noticed the plants getting much more unhealthy, and concluded from my experience it was from the fact they were in half full 1 gallon pots and all root-bound. So I transplanted them, my flowering tent plants went into 5 gallon buckets, the veg tent girls went into 3s. Since then I stopped with the spinosad thinking it might be what was doing the damage ( and after spotting some more living mites ) and switched to neem teas. I would brew about 4 tbsp of the neem seed meal into a gallon for 48 hrs, and spray them with plain water in between. After I transplanted and got the NoPest strips, I took my exhaust out of the wall, so the heat and humidity from the light are circulating and keeping it more like 77-79 F and about 40% humidity, but it's hard to get the RH much higher. I was really just unsure of the neem tea, wondering if the high nitrogen level could be causing burn, so I went and got some neem oil that I've used a lot in the past to stamp out two-spotted mites and never saw damage from--you know just trying to troubleshoot out stuff that's "different". I've only given them one spray of that so far this morning.

Anyway, it's hard to say if any of them are really "healthy". These are from a few days ago, and I can see some health improvements; turgor pressure is back up, the stems are going from a solid deep purple back to green, there's no/little chlorosis on new growth ( though some burnt tips ). I think they're on the mend but it's hard to tell. A part of me wonders if I should not scrap this run and start some new seeds instead. I have lots of new stuff to try, but I really wanted to try to hold on to these genetics.

Here are some pics today, I haven't updated my journal real well lately, here's a new post with recent pics... (so as to not spam up your journal with my ugly plant pics)
Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

I feel like it's just a lot of different stress for them to deal with right now, but I really had the feeling leaving them in those small pots was going to kill them. They were quite root bound when I pulled them out, so I wonder if it is just the timing of all this combined. In any case, considering all that, I'm just worried about spraying with anything that's also going to stress them out and I just don't know nothing about spinosad, not real familiar with neem tea, and I'm used to neem oil (usually with soil drenches, not foliar spraying) working on everything so I'm out in the woods on this one.

Oh I do have some General Hydro AppArmor Si silica if that would be a good thing? Certainly throws the organic out the window, but I've also heard that soil microbes don't do too well with it and it's hard on roots, so I'm hesitant of using that. I'm just pretty much down to making due with what I have since I can't buy any more stuff for a while. But I have neem seed meal, neem oil, spinosad, and this silica supplement, so it seems like I've got a good toolset. Not to mention the NoPest strip, which I'm probably only going to leave hanging for a week, I just want that "knock down" punch. I use to use the silica and neem oil regularly and hadn't had a problem with two-spotted mites since I first started using them, but I don't know how effective it is on russets--I kind of stopped using it to try to be more organic/probiotic, plus thinking the neem meal in the soil would substitute for the neem oil drenches.

I'm kind of in between a rock and a hard place on the environmental conditions too because these plants do not like cold temperatures any more than the mites do. The breeder recommends they stay at least at 75 and I saw them get pretty unhappy in just the low 60s on my last cycle with them, so I do think the 50 F temperatures played a part in all this. I can't lower the temperature any more than they are without putting the exhaust back into the wall, but I don't want to do that with the NoPest strips still up because that vents right into my living room.

I'm really so used to just using neem oil drenches and never seeing an issue. I understand cross contamination issues pretty well, but I'm pretty sure I got these off a friend's clones. Ugh. Friend's don't let friends take clones from other people! Not even once! Happens every freakin' time I've done it.

Anyway sorry to spam up your journal bob... Maybe I should just go back to my old IPM (the silica and neem-oil drenches) and throw in spinosad sprays too? I'm probably (hopefully) never going to use the NoPest strip again, this is just a extreme measure--like high orbit nuclear bombardment. They apparently work THAT well, but I'm not wiling to leave them up for more than a week. I'm optimistic the neem oil drenches will work, because I kept them at bay most of the last cycle with it, I just ran out of the neem oil. *crosses fingers*