Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

[bobrown14]

Hi bb i was just wondering is sodium theosulfate and silver nitrate that's sts right? Also can u get those items online already mixed or do u need to buy them separate and mix them urself?

I don't know very much about it to tell the truth. It's easy enough to purchase separately on line at Amazon. Not terribly expensive ether. If you wanna see where I got the idea from, it was on MagicJim's last journal. It was like 3 foilers a week apart and boom he had a male plant.

It worked for him first try so I figured I may as well try that instead of buying up all the seeds I can find. I seem to be specially attracted to the seeds with the fanciest labels and biggest brightest flower pics.

In theory, take a clone and reverse that clone and take the pollen from that reversed clone and mate it with another clone of the same plant... boom seeds should all be female and all be exactly the same (selfing)... I'm thinking that, but is it true?

I know nothing about genetics other than I like seeds and I like cannabis. My wife is always bringing in dead flowers this time of year from the gardens outdoors and collecting seeds and I help her plant them... that's about all I know on the subject.

Seeds turn into plants ... most of the time. Yay!

 

[Blazinjones]

I don't know very much about it to tell the truth. It's easy enough to purchase separately on line at Amazon. Not terribly expensive ether. If you wanna see where I got the idea from, it was on MagicJim's last journal. It was like 3 foilers a week apart and boom he had a male plant.

It worked for him first try so I figured I may as well try that instead of buying up all the seeds I can find. I seem to be specially attracted to the seeds with the fanciest labels and biggest brightest flower pics.

In theory, take a clone and reverse that clone and take the pollen from that reversed clone and mate it with another clone of the same plant... boom seeds should all be female and all be exactly the same (selfing)... I'm thinking that, but is it true?

I know nothing about genetics other than I like seeds and I like cannabis. My wife is always bringing in dead flowers this time of year from the gardens outdoors and collecting seeds and I help her plant them... that's about all I know on the subject.

Seeds turn into plants ... most of the time. Yay!

Lol haha yea most of the time atleast the five i made i got 3 to produce plants lol so not to bad but yea bro thanx for the info much appreciated n gud luck on tht seed adventure of urs bro

 

[imtoasted]

Haha yea mr brown that is how it works as far as i know, which isnt much but that is how you would get s1 fem seeds of that strain.

Wanted to come by and give you a smoke report on the slurricane testers. First hit is decently smooth with hints of blueberry and mint.. the high takes a minute to set in but its a veryy heavy indica buzz that makes you wanna chill out and lay around with your pup. Cant wait until i smoke a bigger nug all cured.. damn they will be somethin else!

 

[imtoasted]

Oh and the buds are dense as dense can be and sticky as hell when you break them up.. its not easy breaking it up, sticks to everything like super glue lol.

 

[MagicJim]

I don't know very much about it to tell the truth. It's easy enough to purchase separately on line at Amazon. Not terribly expensive ether. If you wanna see where I got the idea from, it was on MagicJim's last journal. It was like 3 foilers a week apart and boom he had a male plant.

It worked for him first try so I figured I may as well try that instead of buying up all the seeds I can find. I seem to be specially attracted to the seeds with the fanciest labels and biggest brightest flower pics.

In theory, take a clone and reverse that clone and take the pollen from that reversed clone and mate it with another clone of the same plant... boom seeds should all be female and all be exactly the same (selfing)... I'm thinking that, but is it true?

I know nothing about genetics other than I like seeds and I like cannabis. My wife is always bringing in dead flowers this time of year from the gardens outdoors and collecting seeds and I help her plant them... that's about all I know on the subject.

Seeds turn into plants ... most of the time. Yay!

Yep...I made some Silver Thiosulfate Solution using Silver Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate.

The whole project is in my current journal and starts here: What's In Jim's Grow Room? It's post #21 if that doesn't take you there properly.

It really is as easy a bbrown explains above. The only thing I'd do differently is to handle the pollen and the pollination of the target outside of my grow tent as I ended up pollinating everything in there. The positive side of this is that seeded buds still get you high.

Have fun...if you have questions, let me know.

 

[TheFertilizer]

I don't know very much about it to tell the truth. It's easy enough to purchase separately on line at Amazon. Not terribly expensive ether. If you wanna see where I got the idea from, it was on MagicJim's last journal. It was like 3 foilers a week apart and boom he had a male plant.

It worked for him first try so I figured I may as well try that instead of buying up all the seeds I can find. I seem to be specially attracted to the seeds with the fanciest labels and biggest brightest flower pics.

In theory, take a clone and reverse that clone and take the pollen from that reversed clone and mate it with another clone of the same plant... boom seeds should all be female and all be exactly the same (selfing)... I'm thinking that, but is it true?

I know nothing about genetics other than I like seeds and I like cannabis. My wife is always bringing in dead flowers this time of year from the gardens outdoors and collecting seeds and I help her plant them... that's about all I know on the subject.

Seeds turn into plants ... most of the time. Yay!

This is something that I'm struggling with comprehending myself. I think the reason why this creates all female plants has to do with something called homozygous genotypes.

So imagine that cannabis plants aren't really "male" or "female", and are actually just two types of flowering varieties. You have "pistillate" which makes the flowers we like, and "staminant" which are just for pollen. There probably is a gene, not necessarily an X or Y gene like we have, but one that controls whether plants have the pistillate or staminant trait. Let's say that that A = staminant, and a = pistillate, in other words pistillate is the recessive allele and staminant plants are the dominant alelle. Well the way genotypes are expressed, if a plant has the combination Aa in its allele's then the staminant trait will be dominant, and it will produce our "male" flowers. The same would be true if it were AA. However, if it were a combination of just aa, that would produce the "female" pistillate flowers we want.

Okay, so then thinking about this in terms of taking the pollen from a "female" plant that you've reversed to "male" what you have is an aa genotype. So then you cross that aa genotype with another aa genotype ( a clone of the same plant ) and meiosis has no other alleles to choose from except that once recessive trait of pistillate flowers, and now all of the offspring will be aa, i.e. pistillate, i.e. female.

That works to produce all female plants because the gene started out homozygous to begin with, but if you have a heterzygous genotype, then meiosis should split up your distribution of resulting genoetypes in the same way normal sexual propagation between two P1 parents would. So say you have P1 and P2 and they're "male" and "female" plants from the same strain, but that strain is an F1 hybrid, meaning it has differently-combined genotypes, Aa, or Bb, etc. When meiosis splits up those into allele's then, there's different combinations you can make, AA, aa, or Aa, and a certain percentage chance of each one. I'm not sure how different the process of meiosis is when its getting each alelle from the same set of DNA or whether it makes any changes at all, so even with the same exact set of DNA there will be variations. There's 20 chromosomes in cannabis, and each of those has a certain combination of these "genotypes", so while all the homozygous genotypes will be copied as is, the heterozygous ones are still up in the air.

But the more successive generations that you do this process, the more chances meiosis has of producing homozygous pairs that will be copied perfectly in the next fertilization. So the S1 generation may not be very much like its donor parent ( depending on the genes to begin with ) but as you select for traits you like and produce S2, S3, S4 and so on, then each round more and more genotypes get turned homozygous, and from what I've read at about the S8 generation you'll have mostly true-breeding plants that if you self'd will produce exactly copies.

But you gotta think that even if you're not getting an exactly copy, you're going to end up with something a lot closer than if you crossed it with another parent of a total different genetic line. So if the goal is trying to save the genetics of a particular variety, I think it's still a much better choice than crossing it with a parent of totally different genetic makeup, because that just makes it more likely you'll lose the traits you wanted to preserve.

Like crossed against like gets like, but same crossed with same won't get same.


As a side note ( in case you're not already sick of reading my BS ), meiosis is not a perfect process and can break down leaving some chromosomes out, or creating extras. Sometimes that creates good things like polyploids, but also creates eutypoloids (I think don't quote me) that are missing chromosomes which are basically inbred mutants. Same way if humans start inbreeding for two long they get deformities, so eventually you have to cross-out the stabilized line just to reintroduce health and vigor.

 

[NorCaliwood]

Damn I wish I could type...................... He lost me after saying thinking''''...... That's hard anymore... But sounds right on the money to my last brain cell or two. As we cube'........ Keepem Green

 

[MagicJim]

Damn I wish I could type...................... He lost me after saying thinking''''...... That's hard anymore... But sounds right on the money to my last brain cell or two. As we cube'........ Keepem Green

Wisdom comes with age....along with a bad memory. I found it interesting and have read similar. But I have that bad memory. It's likely I will never understand this stuff.

I only wish I had become interested in breeding years ago. Now I just grow out crosses of others and hope they hit the jack pot. My S1 is yet to be thoroughly tested.

 

[Tomula]

Wisdom comes with age....along with a bad memory. I found it interesting and have read similar. But I have that bad memory. It's likely I will never understand this stuff.

I only wish I had become interested in breeding years ago. Now I just grow out crosses of others and hope they hit the jack pot. My S1 is yet to be thoroughly tested.

Memory is for dumb people, the wise man needs to think up new things, not merely memorize the old ones.

Yo bob, the girls are golden, congrats on the award I surely learned a thing or two here, so kudos well deserved! Have a good one!

 

[TheFertilizer]

Wisdom comes with age....along with a bad memory. I found it interesting and have read similar. But I have that bad memory. It's likely I will never understand this stuff.

I only wish I had become interested in breeding years ago. Now I just grow out crosses of others and hope they hit the jack pot. My S1 is yet to be thoroughly tested.

Lol well three months of a plant science class and a week of mulling that around, and I don't even know if I'm right, so take it with a grain of salt

I mean my theory doesn't really explain why there's naturally occurring hermaphrodites after all. BUT I did ask my plant science teacher about self'ing plants, and he agrees that the meiosis process will shuffle the genotypes up still.

 

[bobrown14]

Yep...I made some Silver Thiosulfate Solution using Silver Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate.



The whole project is in my current journal and starts here: What's In Jim's Grow Room? It's post #21 if that doesn't take you there properly.

It really is as easy a bbrown explains above. The only thing I'd do differently is to handle the pollen and the pollination of the target outside of my grow tent as I ended up pollinating everything in there. The positive side of this is that seeded buds still get you high.

Have fun...if you have questions, let me know.

Thanks Jim for pointing to where you explained how to do it... gonna make a short cut for myself. I'm going to be doing this shortly... .well going to make myself a "pollination room" since you had so much luck with pollination...yikes! Thanks for the tip buddy! Your journal spelled the process out, I think even I can do it!

I just found a male plant from the PMB (Purple Monkey Balls) I'm growing now... He is a little guy. Put him in the room with all the big ladies.

He's smelling up the place. Almost right away I could smell the difference. Don't know if its the ladies or the male. I think it's him. The whole room has a sort of grassy smell now... before it was faint lemons/citrus from the DT monsters, and every once in a while some gas leak smell from the Chemdawg (she doesn't have flowers yet). She's still in stretch.

These COB lamps really bring out the stretch which I'm happy about. Bigger plants - bigger yields.

Frost - lower down buds on Labyrinth:

Labyrinth - Getting close she's about 50 days ... could chop her anytime now.

Labyrinth flowers - even has some nice color to her. Hard to see with the 1750K lamp coloration.

Close up of that: ^^^^^ trichomes

Closer upper trichomers:

DT - Family Picture - there's 2 plants in the back there - the green ones, that's the large pheno DT I want to replicate. The golden girl on the right is about 45 days and isn't quite all gold yet but she's getting there.

Golden Girl and Chemdawg lower left still no flowers yet... she's been in there a week at least, still stretching. The Golden Girl is the shorter pheno and the one that actually has some golden buds after dry and is the white knuckle gotta be careful weed!

Close up of some of the flowers from the big pheno... these 2 plants are like a jungle of pistols. Those white pistols are everywhere.

More Large Pheno DT buds

She's a monster.... leaf tips up... lets see how she responds to a male in the house!

Dolato - top down pic still in stretch she's getting there about 4' tall now about 2X stretch so far and still going ... not even a hint of any flowers yet.

I think this one is another Chemdawg clone... she's getting pretty big tho so wondering if its another DT large pheno and I mislabeled again. Chemdawg doesn't get those large fans...so not shure. I know I have a Chem in here somewhere tho - I can smell her.

That's about it, maybe a few bud candy pics, may as well post em while I got em:

Labyrinth

More Labyrinth

DT #5 - Golden Girl - she's got her curls up for picture day! How nice....

Labyrinth another

 

[Radogast]

Lol well three months of a plant science class and a week of mulling that around, and I don't even know if I'm right, so take it with a grain of salt

I mean my theory doesn't really explain why there's naturally occurring hermaphrodites after all. BUT I did ask my plant science teacher about self'ing plants, and he agrees that the meiosis process will shuffle the genotypes up still.

There are naturally occuring hermaphrodites because it is an alternate breeding strategy that succeeds when males are not around. To quote Jeff Goldblum in Jurrassic Park "Nature finds a way."

Hermaphrodites are not as genetically advantages as nanners , but not all plants come up with that solution.


In the animal kingdom, besides human hermaphrodites (intersexed people),

I've heard aphids have up to 17 physical forms so they can follow different reproductive cycles. In some cases aphids are born pregnant - Nature finds a way

 

[Radogast]

DT #5 - Golden Girl - she's got her curls up for picture day! How nice....

Inspiring pictures. I love the ducktail curl of Devil's Tit.

Golden Girl is a pretty little princess. May she be showered with golden glitter

 

[TheFertilizer]

The resin production on that labyrinth is just insane!

 

[Tony Urban]

Great pics man, some stunning colors captured, nicely done.

 

[ilikemsticky]

damm bob beautiful girls i see what you mean about the dt and the m2 looking similar,nice job on those girls,that gold sounds like something to try!

 

[NorCaliwood]

Frosty as fuck.... Cranking out some beautiful pictures there my friend............ Keepem Green

 

[Blazinjones]

Dam bb those girls look amazing great job. Ihad a question for you? when you flip ur girls what goodies do u throw in there with them? do you do a top dress or any certain teas? I know youve said b4 but i cant remember, an i cant seem to find where i wrote it down at lol. Anyway just wanted to ask that quick and to stop in and look at the garden and drool alil bit lol lookn great bro keep up the good work

 

[MagicJim]

All of them are beautiful. I'm loving this Labyrinth

 

[Pennywise]

The labyrinths seem to acquire traits from "The Cube". Towering colas with over the top trichome production.