Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

[TheFertilizer]

Nice looking pics Bob! What's up with your leaves curling in a bit? Just wondering because one of my Panama x Malawis is doing that as well and it's in a bigger pot than most, I wonder if it could be a moisture thing. Looks like N claw though.

Cool to see someone else around here up on the KNF techniques. I only know of a Facebook group that discusses that stuff and they're a little uptight lol Wait did you mention KNF in here or in the BBS ( Build a Better Soil ) thread? I can't keep track of where I read anything on this site. I swear I feel like I'm the only one browsing stoned sometimes

 

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Durban gold so oily looks wet & syrupy. Good color on the DD....so popular on 420...must be a good one.

 

[bobrown14]

Nice looking pics Bob! What's up with your leaves curling in a bit? Just wondering because one of my Panama x Malawis is doing that as well and it's in a bigger pot than most, I wonder if it could be a moisture thing. Looks like N claw though.

Cool to see someone else around here up on the KNF techniques. I only know of a Facebook group that discusses that stuff and they're a little uptight lol Wait did you mention KNF in here or in the BBS ( Build a Better Soil ) thread? I can't keep track of where I read anything on this site. I swear I feel like I'm the only one browsing stoned sometimes

You my friend are not the only one... I'm usually in a perpetual haze of some sort or another.

KNF... not totally sold on it, I'm sure it works fine. The folks I've seen running it.. WAY too much work. Monster presses then the take the extracts and bottle them up and then treat the whole grow like they were using bottled nutrients. I'm sure that the original KNF deal didn't have plastic bottles and refined sugar (organic or other wise).

They make a slurry with sugar mixed in water and a shit ton of Comfrey.... let sit a week or so in the sugar water, then press in a giant apple cider press and bottle the extract.

I put my comfrey in the worm bins... in 3-5 days it's turned into soil. All I had to do was cut it down and into a wheel barrow and into our compost bins. Done... and the comfrey is gone in a few days. The worms do all the heavy lifting and we get side benefit from the worms with all that friendly bacteria. Sugar doesn't produce the same type of bacteria, and if not careful sugar can produce a lot of bad bacteria.

I'm sticking with worms... can't imagine the stink from sugar water and comfrey. I bet they tell you it only stinks a little! Meh... I've made comfrey tea. pass. I'll let the worms take care of it.


Edit for leaf curl:

At this stage, I don't care about the fan leaves. Those big gold fans are at the end of their life span and are getting close to falling off lots of them already fell off... same as what happens to your tree leaves in the fall!

The cool part is all the green color, chlorophyll is being translocated from the big fans to the big flowers. Senescence is the mechanical term and translocation is how it happens. Chlorophyll doesn't just disappear, it gets moved to another part of the plant and how leaves supply plants with nourishment. In our case, the translocated energy from the leaves goes to the flowers to generate seeds. In a perennial, the stored energy in the leaves goes to the root system.

The leaf curl (curling up in this case) and gold color is genetic on all the DTs. They have done it ever since I've started running that strain..

Leaf claw - leaf tips turning down is something different. Some point to a N toxicity. Hard for me to get too much N..I don't use fertilizer and my soil mix is no-til so if anything it's usually somewhat N deficient specially after 5 runs. My first thought the first round with DT... everything was turned around... yellowing leaves with tips curling up. Thought it was my soil.... found pics of these plants from the breeder and they exhibited the same traits. I stopped worrying about it.

Leaf claw (down) can be 1 of several problems, if it's N toxicity, your plants are going to have a lot of extra leaf material and darker colored green. Cold temps cause leaf claw without the dark green colors. Also Ca to Mg ratio can be off causing clawed leaves. Mg toxicity.. likely. Meaning too much Mg to Ca . A 1:1 ratio is going to be not enough Ca. and likely a Mg toxicity. Worry about that if you use Dolomite Lime in your soil in containers.

 

[GodOfPot]

Hey Bob, I've see Equisetum arvense, better to use in powder or cut & sifted?

 

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Leaf curl commonly thought to be N toxicity. Often related to Ca shortage....especially when only tip is turned down w/ flat back. Tip & margins can't keep up w/ Ca demand. Know for sure no way too much N in your growing.

 

[bobrown14]

Hey Bob, I've see Equisetum arvense, better to use in powder or cut & sifted?

I've never seen the powder stuff.. I "guess" that's some sort of meal or tea for human consumption??

We harvest it locally here ... grows like a weed! hahahaha... you know what they say about them darn weeds!

It's actually on the invasive species list for some reason .... even tho its natural to North America. Strange.... and healthy for us too.

Cut and sifted is I think what they sell for teas for humans... I've bought that stuff and its fine for my plants. I much prefer the fresh picked and then dried for my tea and I give the leftovers to the plants. I use the cut and sifted to make teas for the plants.

Leaf curl commonly thought to be N toxicity. Often related to Ca shortage....especially when only tip is turned down w/ flat back. Tip & margins can't keep up w/ Ca demand. Know for sure no way too much N in your growing.

Yeah if anything, I'm usually low on N.. I'm not a big fan of grassy tasting weed. I'd rather suffer a smaller yield than have to take 2 days to trim 1 plant.
I like the plants when they go into fade and get some colors going. A lot of N and they stay green and it makes be have to crawl down on the floor and check the dates written on the pots...

I've noticed that Chemdawg likes to curl down on me sometimes.. I've got 3 of them going now and 2 the tips are curling... they are in VEG. The flowering Chem is normal no curl. When I up-pot I add in some meals that have N in them, enough to get them thru to harvest.

Then there's that DT with the leaf tip curly-Q, tips up and curling.... and all the gold. First round I thought I messed up. Same soil and yields kept getting better and plants got more gold sooner... go figure.

In-laws here for another week so not a lot of pics... was outside today and one of the Chemdawgs is getting stinky... it's basically winter time here, I could smell her outside at the end of the driveway. MY wife couldn't smell it so maybe it's me, I can zero in on that smell anywhere! This is one that's in VEG, and this is the time when someone in the neighborhood usually calls the gas company to report a leak..

I've got a nice room full, pics forthcoming.

 

[Pennywise]

Lol thats a good chemdog then

 

[TheFertilizer]

Mine are curling like that. I can't get my pics to show up right side up for some reason, the uploader use to handle it on its own but won't now :/

Some of them just look generally wind-burned too, making little "canoe" shapes.

 

[GodOfPot]

Thank you Bob .
Being an invasive species I think I read had to do with it not producing seeds, instead it's a spore....read a lot of people have problems getting rid of them in their gardens lol

 

[bobrown14]

Thank you Bob .
Being an invasive species I think I read had to do with it not producing seeds, instead it's a spore....read a lot of people have problems getting rid of them in their gardens lol

They should just weed and lay them down... where we live they grow in extremely wet conditions like flood areas around parking lots... were we get them but in a parking lot in a park so no chemical run-off.

Mine are curling like that. I can't get my pics to show up right side up for some reason, the uploader use to handle it on its own but won't now :/

Some of them just look generally wind-burned too, making little "canoe" shapes.

That looks like a little N there like BL mentioned .. it's not that bad tho. I have it worse on a few Chemdawg clones... some plants just don't want a lot of N. Usually the leaf is darker green with a little leaft shine and the leaf curl. Starts at the btm and works up... that's the N in the soil.

Also can be the beginning of spider mites... I've got them too.. fuckers, and on the plants with the curl! Go figure. I've got them in my VEG area... not bad but they are there. Treatment in progress.

I've got a treatment issue... In-laws visiting. Trying to keep "things" on the D/L .... and Chemdawg, wondering when the question of "whats that smell? Smells like a gas leak" .... Oye.

1 more week, thing is I really enjoy the visit and the folks. When they ask, gonna give them the truth but no walk thru. Sorry sorry soo sorry. Bugs, not that you have any, but you probably do! No walk thru.

Father in law is an electrical engineer and was asking me about Lux and Lumens tonight??? But in Russian... ME: "nip-en-e-my-u?" (I don't understand).

I'm like Lux isn't that Superman's arch enemy? Not sure if serious. hehehehehe

Last week he taught me how to wire up 2 transformers back to back to output 220v for an appliance they brought that needed 220v. I knew I could do it in theory. He showed me how in practice with a hand drawn schematic and then practicum, was awesome. Screwed the trannys down to a piece of wood. Done...these are transformers putting out like 600vdc with center taps. i'm like: "hot hot, very hot, safety first..." My father in law is like ... meh, we got this. Took like 15 minutes. Was amazing really.

I should ask him how to build a spider mite zapping device!

 

[Radogast]

Question about flower remp temps :

I am flowering several girls of staggered ages.

I'm heating to maintain 65 when dark and venting to dump heat above 81 when the lights are on.

Would you change either of those numbers?

 

[Jgrowlove]

I'm at 55-80℉ currently in flower. Seems to be doing ok

 

[Pennywise]

Im 62 during lights out and 80 lights on and doing well

 

[TheFertilizer]

They should just weed and lay them down... where we live they grow in extremely wet conditions like flood areas around parking lots... were we get them but in a parking lot in a park so no chemical run-off.





That looks like a little N there like BL mentioned .. it's not that bad tho. I have it worse on a few Chemdawg clones... some plants just don't want a lot of N. Usually the leaf is darker green with a little leaft shine and the leaf curl. Starts at the btm and works up... that's the N in the soil.

Also can be the beginning of spider mites... I've got them too.. fuckers, and on the plants with the curl! Go figure. I've got them in my VEG area... not bad but they are there. Treatment in progress.

I've got a treatment issue... In-laws visiting. Trying to keep "things" on the D/L .... and Chemdawg, wondering when the question of "whats that smell? Smells like a gas leak" .... Oye.

1 more week, thing is I really enjoy the visit and the folks. When they ask, gonna give them the truth but no walk thru. Sorry sorry soo sorry. Bugs, not that you have any, but you probably do! No walk thru.

Father in law is an electrical engineer and was asking me about Lux and Lumens tonight??? But in Russian... ME: "nip-en-e-my-u?" (I don't understand).

I'm like Lux isn't that Superman's arch enemy? Not sure if serious. hehehehehe

Last week he taught me how to wire up 2 transformers back to back to output 220v for an appliance they brought that needed 220v. I knew I could do it in theory. He showed me how in practice with a hand drawn schematic and then practicum, was awesome. Screwed the trannys down to a piece of wood. Done...these are transformers putting out like 600vdc with center taps. i'm like: "hot hot, very hot, safety first..." My father in law is like ... meh, we got this. Took like 15 minutes. Was amazing really.

I should ask him how to build a spider mite zapping device!

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's too much nitrogen given how much neem seed meal I used. THough I did see a single thrip on one of the leaves the other day...

I ran out of neem oil so I have been letting some of the neem seed meal steep and I'm going to give a root drench with that. A little late in flower now to be spraying neem on them, but I did spray some soapy water.

 

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Mine are curling like that. I can't get my pics to show up right side up for some reason, the uploader use to handle it on its own but won't now :/

Some of them just look generally wind-burned too, making little "canoe" shapes.

That looks like a little N there like BL mentioned .. it's not that bad tho. I have it worse on a few Chemdawg clones... some plants just don't want a lot of N. Usually the leaf is darker green with a little leaft shine and the leaf curl. Starts at the btm and works up... that's the N in the soil.

Ok sorry I wasn't clear. Meant that while common to hear N toxicity, it usually isn't. At lower left in Fert's pic (nice plant btw), that leaf is what I was trying to describe. Tip & margins turned down, flat back. This is plant asking for more Ca. Not Mg. Just Ca. If you up Ca most of time it will go away but after leaf is that way for awhile will stay that way even after Ca added. When stop/slow then can know enough Ca back in soil. I see this every run. N toxicity is butt ugly & Fert's leaf looks healthy otherwise.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Ok sorry I wasn't clear. Meant that while common to hear N toxicity, it usually isn't. At lower left in Fert's pic (nice plant btw), that leaf is what I was trying to describe. Tip & margins turned down, flat back. This is plant asking for more Ca. Not Mg. Just Ca. If you up Ca most of time it will go away but after leaf is that way for awhile will stay that way even after Ca added. When stop/slow then can know enough Ca back in soil. I see this every run. N toxicity is butt ugly & Fert's leaf looks healthy otherwise.

Okay, that's what I thought you were saying. That's interesting, I have never heard of that as an effect of Calcium defecit before, but I often do see that effect you're mentioning where the tips are curled down but the majority of the leaf remains flat. I was interpreting the burnt tips as another sign of too much Nitrogen.

What I found interesting is that some plants seem to have more of these leaves curling over like this than others do, and I wonder if it's because they're different phenotypes, but it seems like some plants have both curled leaves, and leaves that stick straight up. It's hard to tell because I'm running these in a scrog so some of the branches go all over the place...

This is one plant...

This is another in the foreground, and you can see that plant in the background, and the differences in the leaves...

(another plant beside it)

What's more is the ones with the curled leaves smell a little different than the others too. Otherwise I'd just be left to assume some are further progressed.


Sorry to spam your thread up with my pics, Bob! Just been wanting to ask some more knowledgeable people about this...

 

[JoetheChro]

DT #2 = 200g dry & in cure
DT #3 = 220g dry & in cure
DT #1 = still on the hook - larger by a bit than the others...

My wife said I should have weighed the plant right after chop when I had in hanging from a hook cutting off all the fan leaves. It was in a double doorway w/ 9' ceilings plant was all of 8' tall tip to soil line.

My dog was trying to nibble the fan leaves and the stalk was at the ceiling.

Had to use loppers to cut this one down. first time I had to do that. Awesome.

That plant took the space of 2 normal sized plants so I hope I get 9 zips dry out of her or I'm not going to let them get that big indoors again.

So lets say 250g dry.. under 300watts of COB ... so say .83 g/watt. I'll take that, not too bad.

Don't forget nothing but water and we were in another country for 49 days of the 91 days. I couldn't have gone away late in flower as these plants were drinking up 60gal a week going down the stretch and even at the end before chop they were gulping down the water at an even faster pace.

Now I need to go on another vacay now that all the ladies in flower are young'ins cept the Chem-d.

DT #1 was 91 days in flower
DT #2 was 65 days in flower
DT #3 was 81 days in flower

No mold, no bud rot and no pests... I did have a hic-up with mites @ 30 days when I came home for a brief re-charge from vay-cay, hit em with an IPM x 2, problem solved.

I've missed you Mr Brown looking good mate, glad I'm able to watch you do your business (bud business) again

 

[Blazinjones]

Temps they are a droppin.... I read somewhere recently (science something or other) that lower temps combined with less water will help the plants give out more fall colors. Never tried the less water down the stretch but of course the cold temps works.

I'm doing 60ish at night up to 84ish during lights on... and finally RH manageable thankfully at >65% at night and 50ish% during lights on.

I just did a foiler tonight. Been a long while since I've actually done something besides transplanting starts/cuts and up-potting. Feels good to be back growing full on and not fighting heat and humidity.

Seedlings popped this week and into #3 pots:

2 Dolato (fems) - this is the oldest 1 @ 5 weeks - I could up-pot her and into flower anytime now.

3 Buffalato (fems) - just up-potted from seedlings

Cuts of Chemdawg got roots and into pots - they always take a while to get going for some reason. Worth the wait. Have 4 and 2 in flower right now just started flowering.

Cuts of DT... even the clones grow fast...still in VEG

Running a round of AUTOs on the side

Handful of Dark Devil - some seeds left over only about 1/2 of them germinated so added in some Fantasmo gear - the DD are almost finished.

10 -Fantasmo Express - OG Ghost Train Haze - 10 pack of Freebees from Mephisto. Of course had to grow these b-4 the seeds I actually paid for. All 10 popped and are in pots getting going.


May as well post some more flower pics while I'm here :

Family Picture last night after foiler and lights out. Lamps are above my head, so some nice size ladies again. Not quite as tall as they were when we weren't here for a month... kinda makes me wonder why not.

All the tall fowers are DT #4, #5 & #6 - all 3 are in the back row. Kinda looks like a sea of green.... and gold!

Peaking in on the trichomes

DT #5 - under skirt

Labyrinth Clone - under skirt side branch

Labyrinth close ups:

Chems just getting going... I didn't upload any pics this time.

Dam bb like always lookn great i cant wait till my bigger girls get ready for flower n i start gettn some buds like that cause dam those look tastey gotta love good genetics

 

[4Dutchess]

I dig that Dark Devil B.Brown. Happy Turkey Day

 

[bobrown14]

Question about flower remp temps :

I am flowering several girls of staggered ages.

I'm heating to maintain 65 when dark and venting to dump heat above 81 when the lights are on.

Would you change either of those numbers?

No those temps are perfect... I'm right around those temps here. I actually like to get down into the high 50s at night but not sure why... With in-laws visiting my flower room has been buttoned up a little tighter than normal so the temps have been about the same as yours.. maybe a little warmer lights on but not by much.

Here's my canopy shots yesterday, btm of lights @ 6' 3" - I can stand in there and not have to bend over:

You can see my temp range from 2 nights ago... was a little warmer due to heat turned up for the in-laws. I opened a window after taking these pics... maybe get a little color to the flowers today. Last night was 66 and 82.

With these Vero COBs the plants are stretching for 2-3 weeks even after setting buds they keep stretching. ----------------------VVV

Yesterday - - can see the ties I have pulling the tops away from lamps::

Here's a canopy shot from last Friday:

Here's from a week ago - the plants on the left there are above the lamps today same as first pic ^^^ that's like 2' of stretch in 1 week and burnt tips:

Mini update:

Dolato in VEG:

This was last week:

This is yesterday.... she's filling out and getting bushy - Likely the next plant in flower:

Dolato VEG close up of top:

DT #5 - lower down bud candy:

DT #6 - cola pic... she's about 28ish days from flip here:

DT #7 - 20ish days in flower:

Labyrinth #1 - Clone .. also 20ish days in flower

DT #4 - getting closer.. waiting for Ms. Fatty Buds to finish doin her thing. The orange tint is those 1750K Vero COBs... they make it look like Mars. Hopefully the flowers are out of this word too!

DT #4 - stackin it to the man... this was 58 days in flower.

Those DT's dont look all that fat but @ 7' tall, gonna have another epic haul. I'll let them go as long as my girls in VEG can hang in there waiting. I can replace 1 DT with 2 hybrid plants.

In VEG:
3 Chemdawgs in VEG - they are big 24" (1 had spider mites and treated)
4 DTs in VEG 2 are 22" the other 2 are about 12" and some more clones just into soil
1 Dolato @ 20"

Several seedlings (3 - Buffalato starting just like the Dolato - weird spiraling on 1st set of leaves)

More clones of DT and Chem just starting. The Chem clones always take a while to get going... always planning way ahead with them.