Looking great over here Mister BBrown........................ Some pretty colors for sure. Imagine what they'll do as temps drop...
Keepem Green
Keepem Green
Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden
Your eyes are always on the Chem Pennywise! LOL
MagicJim
Creme de la Creme Photos: Sept 2016
Hey Bob, do you have a link, or list or something like that to a compilation of various different soil additives/amendments?
I've seen you mention things that I don't really see anyone else mention so wondering where you get that kind of info....Horsetail ferns for example, never seen them mentioned anywhere else other than you, but it seems like an awesome amendment
Sorry just to expand a bit.....but I'm trying to find in depth info on a variety of amendments, like how long they take to break down in specific forms, what they're sources N,P,K,Si,Ca etc...if they're slow release or fast release and so on......If there's nothing like that maybe a couple suggestions on books or sources I could look into for it
Here's a link to information from years ago but probably as accurate as any:
Organic Nutrient List
I've used KIS Organics for their nutrient packs but they have lots of the individual products. You can find several other merchants through that Google search.
GodOfPot
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Thank you .
I've found an extensive list that lists NPK values....but even this doesn't horsetail ferns....I know it doesn't list the other benefits like trace, micro, macro etc but having a list like this I can look into each individual one to find that out
This is taken from another site;
N-P-K of organic amendments.
Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
cocoa hulls: 3-1-3.2 (not to mention lots of humic acids and trace elements)
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0 (I personally just crush the shells with my foot)
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 ( WOW!!!! Who knew???)
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 (And people throw these things away? Wow!)
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Insect Frass (Raw): 2-2-2
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue (From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste (From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 (Right up there with Grapefruit. Note: both can attract fruit flies so, bury them in the compost)
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5 (I grind them up in the food processor first)
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25 (I'm not saying: "Go out and decimate starfish populations at our local beaches" but, the odd starfish would be okay. Incidentally, the edndoskeletons of starfish are made of Calcium Carbonate which, is slow to break down.)
String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0 (Why we throw this stuff away? I have no idea. Look at all that potash!)
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35 (A note on tomatoe fruit: These should be hot composted. I just let any rotted or insect eaten tomatoes compost in the soil beneath the plants and have "freebees" come back each consecutive year. Hot composting will kill the seeds.)
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5
I've found an extensive list that lists NPK values....but even this doesn't horsetail ferns....I know it doesn't list the other benefits like trace, micro, macro etc but having a list like this I can look into each individual one to find that out
This is taken from another site;
N-P-K of organic amendments.
Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
cocoa hulls: 3-1-3.2 (not to mention lots of humic acids and trace elements)
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0 (I personally just crush the shells with my foot)
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 ( WOW!!!! Who knew???)
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 (And people throw these things away? Wow!)
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Insect Frass (Raw): 2-2-2
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue (From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste (From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 (Right up there with Grapefruit. Note: both can attract fruit flies so, bury them in the compost)
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5 (I grind them up in the food processor first)
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25 (I'm not saying: "Go out and decimate starfish populations at our local beaches" but, the odd starfish would be okay. Incidentally, the edndoskeletons of starfish are made of Calcium Carbonate which, is slow to break down.)
String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0 (Why we throw this stuff away? I have no idea. Look at all that potash!)
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35 (A note on tomatoe fruit: These should be hot composted. I just let any rotted or insect eaten tomatoes compost in the soil beneath the plants and have "freebees" come back each consecutive year. Hot composting will kill the seeds.)
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5
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G.O.P said:
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Yes I can give you the breakdown of my organic soil mix. Basically I run a "Coots" style soil mix. You can get the Coots mix at KIS Organics. Jim uses KIS nutrient packs but they just recently started carrying the Coots mix. I've been running the Coots mix since the early days on IC Mag and then Grass City forums when Coots and a bunch of us were ironing out the details. Basically simplifying it. Coots did all the heavy lifting for sure.
Basic soil mix:
1/3 Canadian sphagnum peat moss
1/3 hummus (compost + EWC) for bagged compost I recommend BU Blend (west coast) or Coast of Main Lobster Compost (east coast)
If you have any problems sourcing compost, ask me... I know a ton of different good choices, non of which are "bagged soil".
1/3 Aeration - rice hulls or Perl-lite (what I use). I do no-til and re-use the soil over and over. Rice hulls break down.
To that ^^ I add:
Clackamas Coot Nutrient and Mineral Kit
This kit has 2 parts - nutrient amendments and minerals and they add in some Malted Barley... that wasn't in the original mix but we were all using it as a top dress/watering in along with a few others.
Depending on how much soil you want to mix - they offer different size packages.
Here's the link for KIS & Coots mix:
Official Clackamas Coot Nutrient and Mineral Kit - KIS Organics
I've been mixing my own for years and have all those ingredients in separate containers. We do a lot of outdoor gardening so doing it that way works for me. I've got the mix I pointed to above also. It makes life pretty easy. I dont have to take 10 minutes extra and mix it all by hand! I'm lazy yup!
That will get you start to finish... the extra stuff I talk about like Nettles and Horsetail Ferns. My wife and I have been gardening organically for all our lives so we picked up a few things along the way. I share them when I get them out of our tool box.
There's a whole list of Dynamic (bio)accumulators. We use many of them, both growing in our gardens for flowers or in our gardens to harvest to make compost. Many of them grow wild and we hike around in the woods and harvest them. We grow the ones that make pretty flowers. Composting with all of them is what really makes great soil.
"Get your compost dialed in and there not much else to worry about." CC
Comfrey (Bocking 14 - sterile version) - use for compost - we grow it and harvest about 5-6 times a year. Nitrogen and many macro and micro nutrients
Stinging Nettles - nitrogen and potassium. Its biggest value is as a good source of some of the minor nutrients.
Horse Tail Fern - Silica in spades and many many other goodies - we use this primarily as a foiler in VEG to combat PM & molds. The plants really love this foilered on... amazing results.
Dandelions.. We can make a green manure tea Throw them in a bucket of water and let them sit for a week ... mix with water and water in - Nitrogen source. Composting is how we use them. Green manure ... also good for humans - eat leaves with salad or top burgers with them.
EWC - earth worm castings.. we harvest locally from the local wooded park near us and also have compost bins with red-wigglers FTW!
Kelp Meal - it's in the nutrient mix above, but I keep it handy for foilers and issues with plants. Anytime I think there's a problem plant (worthy of work), I mix up a cup of EWC and a 1/2 cup of Kelp meal in a gallon or 3 of water and either aerate over night or let it sit... stir it up and water in. Problems solved...
Vetch - many organic farmers grow this for cover crops - nitrogen fixer - can grow cover crops in containers, when cannabis plants get big the cover crop dies back... just like in nature after the trees get leaves, the forest floor cover dies back and the worms take over.
Karanga Cake
Neem Cake - Both of these go hand in hand.. they are also in the Coots mix already but I keep them on hand.
Neem Cake - can soak in water and use the liquid to foiler on when I have an active insect infestation. I like that better than the neem oil... the oil is harsh on the plants and burns flowers. The neem cake "tea" is not as harsh.
Alfalfa Meal - good source of N and lots of other macro and micro nutrients. Can burn roots without some "cooking" (composting). It's a green manure in soil, so best use of this is to add it to your compost and let the worms/bacteria break it down. Or add to soil 2-3 weeks minimum before planting. For animal feed it's tough to beet. Rabbits eat it, poop it out.. done and ready for the garden.. so rabbit poop FTW. We feed our dogs rabbit. Food for thought!
G-O-P - great list.. the challenge is getting the right ratios of everything.
Why I suggest getting the Coots mix - all the science and testing has been worked thru.. then while your plants are growing and you have all that idle time, start researching all the ingredients and how they work with soil, plants, animals and humans and most importantly, the environment.
You may find, that this is all old news and chemical fertilizers are not really "conventional". Sustainability is a thing and it's been around for 10s of thousands of years...many many ways to this sustainability thing.. lots of NW gardeners are into Korean Natural Farming (KNF).
The way its being implemented is using the "bottle" methodology. Meh.. pass. Composting will accomplish the same thing without all that work.. IMHO. Lazy bro here! I prefer to let the worms do the work.
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Chemdawg - FTMFW..... JJ has surfaced?
Absolutely top notch soil summary - I blogged it +reps - you are my hero.
TheFertilizer
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My problem is always the compost. It seems like they want an arm and a leg to ship that stuff. I've read around that you can skip the compost and just use EWC?
My plan has been to run just the EWC mix like that until I've done enough to make my own compost.
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Rad said:
Hey thanks for the thanks and reps...
You know me, just passing it on, side to side...
Yes you can run with JUST EWC... Where do you find EWC if you don't have a compost pile? Your own compost will be far and away better than anything you can purchase in a bag. Those 2 bags I pointed to - Coast of Main Lobster Compost and Bu Blend... they are VERY good. I can find both of these and some other types of compost including leaf mold at my local Garden Center.
It's actually better to buy local.. you may find shopping at your local garden center (not big box store) will yield many additional benefits. The local shop will buy bales of stuff by the pallet and can get much better ship costs and they usually have home made compost as well.
I like a mix of composts and EWC so we get a more diverse bacterial flora in the soil.. I always add EWC to my humus portion tho and make teas with it and water in. Those darn worms..... I love what do. They are amazing!
TheFertilizer
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Hey thanks for the thanks and reps...
You know me, just passing it on, side to side...
Yes you can run with JUST EWC... Where do you find EWC if you don't have a compost pile? Your own compost will be far and away better than anything you can purchase in a bag. Those 2 bags I pointed to - Coast of Main Lobster Compost and Bu Blend... they are VERY good. I can find both of these and some other types of compost including leaf mold at my local Garden Center.
It's actually better to buy local.. you may find shopping at your local garden center (not big box store) will yield many additional benefits. The local shop will buy bales of stuff by the pallet and can get much better ship costs and they usually have home made compost as well.
I like a mix of composts and EWC so we get a more diverse bacterial flora in the soil.. I always add EWC to my humus portion tho and make teas with it and water in. Those darn worms..... I love what do. They are amazing!
I've been meaning to go check out this nursery here, they're the only place in town that carries G&B brand organic potting soils so I figured they might have some other good stuff there. The only other places we really have are Home Depot and TrueValue, and I've never really liked the look of their compost. The stuff at TrueValue seems like it's treated with something since it's advertised as "Super compost".
GodOfPot
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Hey thanks for the thanks and reps...
You know me, just passing it on, side to side...
Yes you can run with JUST EWC... Where do you find EWC if you don't have a compost pile? Your own compost will be far and away better than anything you can purchase in a bag. Those 2 bags I pointed to - Coast of Main Lobster Compost and Bu Blend... they are VERY good. I can find both of these and some other types of compost including leaf mold at my local Garden Center.
It's actually better to buy local.. you may find shopping at your local garden center (not big box store) will yield many additional benefits. The local shop will buy bales of stuff by the pallet and can get much better ship costs and they usually have home made compost as well.
I like a mix of composts and EWC so we get a more diverse bacterial flora in the soil.. I always add EWC to my humus portion tho and make teas with it and water in. Those darn worms..... I love what do. They are amazing!
If I were to use a local compost I have a choice for a few different ones, which would be the best? Fish(fresh water fish with sawdust mixed in), Cow, Horse or Leaf? They don't have any values listed on their site(though I'm sure if I call I can get more info)
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My first and only attempt at running Chemdawg... got the purple cultivar female out of the gate.. bought a 10 pack of regs and only popped this one seed. I didn't really know what I was doing at the time but I think it worked out. I popped this one, didn't have room but this is where I learned to pop more seeds than I would ever think I could finish and be selective. Really... was like Oh, lets make some room.
This pic - she looks like a Polyploid... a lot of extra leaf sets close together and singles at the tops in a pattern.
Sorry, I don't usually show off... but this one is special.
Chemdawggy dawgs - me likey, still my fav puffage.
Clones do not show these traits... all the time.
Awesome plant Bob!
Never get tired of looking at great Chem pics. Well done bob!
Wow ill pray every night for my chemdawg to look like that!
4Dutchess
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Morning B.Brown. Not sure why it took me so long but Im here and subbed. Probably poor computer skills but Im fitting your thread in. Thanks!
GOP, Wow!!!
I LOVE C.dog too but this Bubba Kushs smell is outstanding and I wonder how similar they are?
Hey Bob I like the idea of the a tsp of Neem cake sprinkled on the soil. Also the H.tail tea isent a oil and can be used in heavy flower if needed.
Happy Holidays B.Brown, 420!!
GOP, Wow!!!
I LOVE C.dog too but this Bubba Kushs smell is outstanding and I wonder how similar they are?
Hey Bob I like the idea of the a tsp of Neem cake sprinkled on the soil. Also the H.tail tea isent a oil and can be used in heavy flower if needed.
Happy Holidays B.Brown, 420!!
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Yes you bet... just did that very thing last night right before lights out. All that water is a foiler I sprayed a little bit before picture time. Yellow is the new Gold... That's DT #4 - Durban x Acapulco Gold x C99.
Pistols from the Durban
Gold from the Acapulco Gold - fans mostly, they all fall off b-4 harvest = dream to trim!
size of plant from C99
Foiler was:
HT Fern tea - 1/4 cup
Kelp Meal tea - 1/4 cup
1/4 cup of Coconut water & Aloe - From Trader Joe's - no preservatives and no sugar - I drink this b-4 swim training.
Pro-Tekt - 1tsp
Ful-Power - full cap +
1 gal RO water
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Temps they are a droppin.... I read somewhere recently (science something or other) that lower temps combined with less water will help the plants give out more fall colors. Never tried the less water down the stretch but of course the cold temps works.
I'm doing 60ish at night up to 84ish during lights on... and finally RH manageable thankfully at >65% at night and 50ish% during lights on.
I just did a foiler tonight. Been a long while since I've actually done something besides transplanting starts/cuts and up-potting. Feels good to be back growing full on and not fighting heat and humidity.
Seedlings popped this week and into #3 pots:
2 Dolato (fems) - this is the oldest 1 @ 5 weeks - I could up-pot her and into flower anytime now.
3 Buffalato (fems) - just up-potted from seedlings
Cuts of Chemdawg got roots and into pots - they always take a while to get going for some reason. Worth the wait. Have 4 and 2 in flower right now just started flowering.
Cuts of DT... even the clones grow fast...still in VEG
Running a round of AUTOs on the side
Handful of Dark Devil - some seeds left over only about 1/2 of them germinated so added in some Fantasmo gear - the DD are almost finished.
10 -Fantasmo Express - OG Ghost Train Haze - 10 pack of Freebees from Mephisto. Of course had to grow these b-4 the seeds I actually paid for. All 10 popped and are in pots getting going.
May as well post some more flower pics while I'm here :
Family Picture last night after foiler and lights out. Lamps are above my head, so some nice size ladies again. Not quite as tall as they were when we weren't here for a month... kinda makes me wonder why not.
All the tall fowers are DT #4, #5 & #6 - all 3 are in the back row. Kinda looks like a sea of green.... and gold!
Peaking in on the trichomes
DT #5 - under skirt
Labyrinth Clone - under skirt side branch
Labyrinth close ups:
Chems just getting going... I didn't upload any pics this time.
Jgrowlove
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Awesome selection bobrown! I would love to have all of those genetics going. Never seen the buffalato grown so definitely looking forward to that!