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Thank you GDBHey Carmen!
The Parm is in eye-candy mode for sure. She's pretty!
Carmen's Winter Autos With ViparSpectra XS1500 Pro!
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A little more training today. I had to take off a few more leaves on the Parmesan auto and only one on the Gelato, which is a bit scant but had an overhanging leaf shadowing a growth point. I had to move the training hooks right out to the edges of their pots and re-hook those tips trying for apical dominance. I moved the @ViparSpectra XS1500 Pros up a couple of clicks each, to accommodate the stretch. We're running at 100 % at 12 inches from the plants, as advised in the reference guide.
First up is the Gelato auto 1
Next is the Gelato auto 2
Last but not least is the Parmesan auto
First up is the Gelato auto 1
Next is the Gelato auto 2
Last but not least is the Parmesan auto
I'm good Carmen. Most days I can read but just can't get myself to add to anything unless it's a real need and I can help. I'm happy to be here in the background medded up, toking and reading on those days. A small thing if I look at other folks in much harder situations.I suspected as much. I hope you feel better soon Otter! Get lots of fresh air and vitamin D like your plants
Wowza! Parm's shooting for the stars! All good in your SWICK hood!A little more training today. I had to take off a few more leaves on the Parmesan auto and only one on the Gelato, which is a bit scant but had an overhanging leaf shadowing a growth point. I had to move the training hooks right out to the edges of their pots and re-hook those tips trying for apical dominance. I moved the @ViparSpectra XS1500 Pros up a couple of clicks each, to accommodate the stretch. We're running at 100 % at 12 inches from the plants, as advised in the reference guide.
First up is the Gelato auto 1
Next is the Gelato auto 2
Last but not least is the Parmesan auto
I don’t have any idea on days with my solo grow.
I need to go back and do a list from my journal records
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Wrote that last night and got distracted.
Day #15 for my first Auto. She’s still tiny as well. Hope I get a decent bit of time as you did before she turns.
Nick
I need to go back and do a list from my journal records
.Wrote that last night and got distracted.
Day #15 for my first Auto. She’s still tiny as well. Hope I get a decent bit of time as you did before she turns.
Nick
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I copied HG and started keeping my data in tables, which makes it that much simpler to compare info between grows.I don’t have any idea on days with my solo grow.
I need to go back and do a list from my journal records
Wrote that last night and got distracted.
Day #15 for my first Auto. She’s still tiny as well. Hope I get a decent bit of time as you did before she turns.
Nick
You'll likely see a lot of growth now and hopefully that plant will get to 30 + days without flower!
I'm good Carmen. Most days I can read but just can't get myself to add to anything unless it's a real need and I can help. I'm happy to be here in the background medded up, toking and reading on those days. A small thing if I look at other folks in much harder situations.
I'm so looking forward to seeing how this one turns out
Not much to say besides 
. It's nice when all I miss is terrific progress, great training, and sweet comments!
. It's nice when all I miss is terrific progress, great training, and sweet comments!It wasn't a move though there was a lot of me running around. We upgraded one of the systems in our office and between prep, install, training, and working out the kinks the days just ran together. On top of which I had to put dinner together when I got home since my wife was in out of town for most of it!
I missed you guys too! Felt so disconnected from my friends and I fretted that someone needed a tidbit of info I had in the back of my head that might have been helpful. Sorry your head's been messing you up Otter and hope it's just a passing summer episode.
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So glad to have you back!Not much to say besides
It wasn't a move though there was a lot of me running around. We upgraded one of the systems in our office and between prep, install, training, and working out the kinks the days just ran together. On top of which I had to put dinner together when I got home since my wife was in out of town for most of it!
I missed you guys too! Felt so disconnected from my friends and I fretted that someone needed a tidbit of info I had in the back of my head that might have been helpful. Sorry your head's been messing you up Otter and hope it's just a passing summer episode.
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Today I will start with my Gelato 2 auto because I got a bee in my bonnet after chatting to @Jon yesterday about how he trains autos. I am still not entirely sure how Jon trains his enormous autos but this is what I have done to G2 so far:
- I removed the first node branches a while ago.
- Today I topped the side branches on nodes 3 and 4.
- I topped the main stem at the 7th node.
- I have pulled the node 2 branches out and hooked them down
TO BE CONTINUED
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Parmesan auto is making me happy. I am starting to see actual pistils now.
I took off another pile of leaves (two of them come from G1)
Gelato auto flowering properly now.
I took off another pile of leaves (two of them come from G1)
Gelato auto flowering properly now.
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@Lerugged, if push comes to shove when space becomes an issue, can I put Gelato 2 outside? I can't bring it in at night or on bad weather days because I don't want it to contaminate my indoor grow space. Do you think it can survive August's weather out there? I think I just pulled a very stoned move to top this plant so thoroughly. I should have left it to go vertical. Oops! 
I'd say yes ish. The cold might not help but August is when I put plants out to flower so maybe. If it's your only option then go for it.
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Gelato auto 1 Day 50
For this morning's update I will begin with Gelato auto 1, the roots of which have colonized the swicky pad and I think that is the reason that this plant is hungry. It's been drinking water and ignoring soil and feeder roots. I stuck in a BBQ skewer to detect moisture levels and it came out dry except for a couple of inches at the bottom.
This is the same plant 4 hours after I gave it 2 Liters on the top.
I have given it another 2 Liters on the top and it is now running off slightly. I am considering my options and think I will follow @Gee64 suggestion to continue to swick but to top water as well. I'm not sure how this will go. I'll have to work with it to get the best results possible. If that doesn't work, I will remove from the swick altogether.
The swick was for me always a practical solution if I needed to get out of town for a few days but it seems to be problematic for organic grows.
Parmesan auto Day 50
This plant continues to bowl me over. I could do with some guidance please. I need to decide which side branches to keep and which to remove. Is there anything obvious that should come off at this stage? Should I be hooking these branches down still or can I leave them to go vertical now?
TO BE CONTINUED
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Gelato auto 2
This plant is taller than the other two and much healthier all round. I'm interested to see how it flowers on this soil mix.
Thanks for looking in. Please chime in if you have observations or suggestions.
Have a great week ahead!
This plant is taller than the other two and much healthier all round. I'm interested to see how it flowers on this soil mix.
Thanks for looking in. Please chime in if you have observations or suggestions.
Have a great week ahead!
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UH OH!
Emergency surgery was performed. I had to rip the swicky pad off the bottom of the G1 pot to remove the roots that were embedded and entangled in the wick. The plant was drinking water from the wick instead of feeding from the soil. It's a pale, overwatered and hungry plant in shock. I've learnt a lot from this plant and unfortunately at the expense of its health.
The good news is that the other two look fantastic, one never swicked and the other just off its swick and about to go through a dry cycle
I've been watching @Gee64 experimenting with swicking, and I concur with his findings that an excess of invasive water roots causes malnutrition in organic grows. Therefore, I have top watered the Parmesan auto and removed it from its swick. On examination, its roots are just beginning to colonize the swicky pad. I'm pretty sure I've got it in time to avoid root damage and undue shock.
Gee has written an excellent explanation about his findings here.
Emergency surgery was performed. I had to rip the swicky pad off the bottom of the G1 pot to remove the roots that were embedded and entangled in the wick. The plant was drinking water from the wick instead of feeding from the soil. It's a pale, overwatered and hungry plant in shock. I've learnt a lot from this plant and unfortunately at the expense of its health.
The good news is that the other two look fantastic, one never swicked and the other just off its swick and about to go through a dry cycle
I've been watching @Gee64 experimenting with swicking, and I concur with his findings that an excess of invasive water roots causes malnutrition in organic grows. Therefore, I have top watered the Parmesan auto and removed it from its swick. On examination, its roots are just beginning to colonize the swicky pad. I'm pretty sure I've got it in time to avoid root damage and undue shock.
Gee has written an excellent explanation about his findings here.
Could it be that the lack of moisture above the lowest reaches of the pot have made it so that all of its water is being taken up by the lowest roots, and removing them from the pad has basically left the plant dry? Would it have been better to leave it on the SWICK pad while you watered from the top and just let the reservoir run dry over time while the feeder roots relearned their jobs as water/nute deliverers?
Obviously too late for that now but I'm wondering it that's what's happening.
Obviously too late for that now but I'm wondering it that's what's happening.
I wouldn't take branches off at this stage because I feel like it would hurt the final yield at harvest. Maybe just some low internal flowers are pluckable.
As flowers build it's still best to keep your apical tops lower than the rest to spread the hormones around.
From an LST standpoint, it's the topmost branches you want to lay flat. You want the lowers to get as tall as they can.
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I would have liked to have left it to dry up the res on its own, but there was too much water in there and the plant was overwatered as it is. I thought the ripping off of the wicking pad was similar to what Gee did when he shaved his plant's roots. There is the shock of the damaged roots but the feeder roots are there and should take over pretty quickly I imagine. I would guess a period of adjustment but hopefully not too long.
I think it is entirely possible.Obviously too late for that now but I'm wondering it that's what's happening.
Thank you.
Ok. Please if you see something that I am neglecting or doing incorrectly, say so.
I've got mine ass about face haven't I lol.
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THE MORNING AFTER
I removed the plants from their swicks but they are on cake coolers in the tubs because the tubs take up less space than plant saucers.
The patient
Not how the fan leaves have lifted. Could there be something else causing the flowers to wilt or are they likely to perk up given time?
The challenging canopy looking a little pap after the top watering and removal from swick, but nothing major.
The shiny second Gelato vegging nicely
I truly hope the G1 goes from strength to strength so that those flowers can develop!
I removed the plants from their swicks but they are on cake coolers in the tubs because the tubs take up less space than plant saucers.
The patient
Not how the fan leaves have lifted. Could there be something else causing the flowers to wilt or are they likely to perk up given time?
The challenging canopy looking a little pap after the top watering and removal from swick, but nothing major.
The shiny second Gelato vegging nicely
I truly hope the G1 goes from strength to strength so that those flowers can develop!
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Some flower pics. This plant is ten days in flower. It's still droopy.
Not much to do other than sit tight now, right?
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Yeah, you doing it too right now... ugh, the waiting game is no fun at all, is it! In your case I'm fretting about that volume of wet soil above your hydro roots. I really hope those feeder roots get busy. Are you going to let your res go slightly dryish so that the roots are encouraged to work the soil?