Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

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cannafan said:
Now, because I am one to admit my mistakes and learn from them......
I made a boo-boo when I put the plants under the screen. I had a list of the plants that were female, male and two "unknown".
I THOUGHT I had put all the confirmed girls under the screen. I actually wound up with one that hadn't shown sex yet.
I am hoping like heck that I can see signs of sex here in the next day or so, I'm going to be scoping it tonight on every node I can find.
There is one female plant left over in the veggie area, so not sure what to do there.
I'm thinking tomorrow to just swap them out, but if the plant under the screen turns out female and I can confirm it, I'm going to make room for both while I can still move those plants around under that screen. That would be 6 female plants, and still one unconfirmed.
Wish me luck. ;-)
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Good luck Canna

...just remember....no matter how it turns out you'll do just fine...easy fix...no biggie at all:)
 
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On to a leaf question:
The yellowing on my leaves continues. And there is some brownish/redish blotchy coloring on the larger ones. So, I know that the yellowing started before the nutrients were, which tells me it isn't the strength of the nutes.
I am giving them 1/4 strength nutes. I'm thinking it is either a calcium or magnesium deficiency? Should I add some Cal/Mag to the nute mixture or just up the strength of one of the GH products that contains the calcium and magnesium?
I think the flora grow has 5% calcium and the flora bloom has the magnesium. I would have to check them to be sure.
Is KingJohnC around? He uses the same nutrients I do.
 
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Would have been nice to remember the pictures....sheesh.
I'm going to pop around on the leaf problem charts and see if I can find something that matches this:
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Now I'm thinking Nitrogen deficiency. LOL
I went to the plant abuse chart:
Plant Abuse Chart - Blogs - 420 Magazine ®

The nitrogen deficiency pictures and description of symptoms match almost exact.
So, I'm back to increasing the nutrients?
I have a male plant and an unknown plant I can abuse with experiments.....er practice on.:biglaugh:
 
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I'm no growing guru, by any measure, Canna. But, your pots are not that big and you have added very little in the way of feed... I've been juicing mine pretty aggressively since week 4. If your medium is depleted, 1/4 strength nutes may be way too prudent. It will be interesting to see what the Poobah's have to say. If it was me I'd give them a strong feed knowing that I could flush them out if things went bad.

Perhaps your over-watering experience early in the game has you chanting the "LESS IS MORE" mantra a little too loudly? If you hit them with a soaking of full strength nutes, what is the worst that can happen. You watch them every day. The worst case is you have to flush.
 
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PeeJay said:
I'm no growing guru, by any measure, Canna. But, your pots are not that big and you have added very little in the way of feed... I've been juicing mine pretty aggressively since week 4. If your medium is depleted, 1/4 strength nutes may be way too prudent. It will be interesting to see what the Poobah's have to say. If it was me I'd give them a strong feed knowing that I could flush them out if things went bad.

Perhaps your over-watering experience early in the game has you chanting the "LESS IS MORE" mantra a little too loudly? If you hit them with a soaking of full strength nutes, what is the worst that can happen. You watch them every day. The worst case is you have to flush.
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I'm leaning toward the "Less is more" syndrome. I have been very reluctant to give them what I felt might be too much water, cuz I burned my fingers on that stove once before.... but I also have been concerned that I've not been giving them enough. LOL I have been reading posts where people are feeding their plants similar size to mine a gallon each when they feed/water them. I am NOWHERE near that much. More like 3 cups. I do know the watering will be more frequent than every three days, that soil is drying out quicker now with all the lighting and fans in that area.
I am fairly confident that increasing the nutrient strength is going to help, but I'll wait a bit and see what else is suggested if anything.
You are right, worse that can happen is flushing......but that would not be fun considering their location. It's not like I can just move a plant somewhere to flush it. They are where they are in a rather "permanent" situation.
Guess I"m going to have plan on how I will do it, in the case that I do have to flush at some point. It's always better to be prepared.
 
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Looks like Nitrogen def to me and I know nothing.

The grow looks great Canna..great job +reps for sure ! :thumb:
 
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I'm getting your signal loud and clear. From reading your journal before I even became a member, though, I'm going to shout out, "feed them. Feed them good and hard!" They are "in the mood."
 
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Dyold said:
Looks like Nitrogen def to me and I know nothing.

The grow looks great Canna..great job +reps for sure ! :thumb:
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Thank you for that confirmation Dyold, and for the reps!:cheesygrinsmiley:

PeeJay said:
I'm getting your signal loud and clear. From reading your journal before I even became a member, though, I'm going to shout out, "feed them. Feed them good and hard!" They are "in the mood."
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Okay, I say let us go to feedin'.....up the nutes to 1/2 strength maybe 3/4 to start? I'm a bit reluctant to go full strength right off the bat, maybe 1/2 on the next water, then 3/4, then full. Hmmmmm At least 1/2 on the next one for sure.
Do I sound wishy-washy? LOL I know how I feel when I over feed myself, drugged and sleepy. :rofl:
 
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mcloadie said:
Hey frosty, and good weed to everyone!:circle-of-love:My diy aerocloner works great, as I'm sure they all do if you get the emitters to hit all the cutting stems. I want to make comment on the heat factor...the pump heating the water in the res.. I have my best luck when the res is at 85 degrees F. I used it extensively in the spring....getting everyone going...LOL....and the temps rose as the ambient temps rose....combined with the fact of the heat from the pump. I live with my plants and monitor everything very closely....at least til I'm confident that I'll get the desired results and that the factors won't fluctuate beyond what I predict. A coupla things tat I've found when cloning with the aerocloner; first; I don't trip on the process anymore, and my college experience has led me to my methods. I don't use any razor blades to cut the stems, I did thousands of cuttings in greenhouses, and we never used a blade. I just angle the cut with my scissors, put em in the pucks with 1" of stem exposed to the emitters. Another thing I do is to put liquid rooting hormone in the res., like a teaspoon to 10 gallons of water. I don't wait til the cuttings have long dangly roots, if I do that I end up breaking some of them off when doing soil applications, I prefer the roots at approx. a quarter inch long. My cloner gets the job done in ten to twelve days, I always take em all at the same time....some a little more rooted than others.........I've never lost a single clone, but I have aborted an entire load...18....when I took cuts from a slightly chlorotic plant........there was a rumor that this was the optimal way to proceed...not in my case! All this info is the benefit of mcloadies limited experience...it is what I've found in my world...nothing more!
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im glad you said something about the heat in the res because since i havent used this cloner yet because i have had no females recently to take cuttings from and when i did have females, it was already too late to get any cuttings which was unfortunate, i wanted to get cloning experience before my current grow but what can you do, anyways that makes me feel good i can can most likely run my cloner on a regular timer until i get a timer more suited for the cloner.

Also canna when i saw the pictures of the deficiencies, it definitely looked like just nitrogen deficient. i automatically thought of cal/mag def when you talked about the orange blotching but i didnt see that at all when you put the pics up. in any case you can add small doses of cal/mag to your regular feeding schedule alot of people on these forums do and i havent seen any issues from their plants
 
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frostyMJbudEC said:
Also canna when i saw the pictures of the deficiencies, it definitely looked like just nitrogen deficient. i automatically thought of cal/mag def when you talked about the orange blotching but i didnt see that at all when you put the pics up. in any case you can add small doses of cal/mag to your regular feeding schedule alot of people on these forums do and i havent seen any issues from their plants
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Okay that's 3 plus me that believes Nitrogen Def. That's what we'll call it!
Oh, The leaf pic was taken about two hours later than I plucked it, so it had dried somewhat and the blotching color had faded. That blotching was only on one plant. I think I'll go ahead and add a little cal/mag every other watering or so to that one. :thanks:
 
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cannafan said:
Hey Mcloadie, there are two things I was thinking when dealing with temps of the water in reservoirs. I originally had started my grow to do hydro, and of course as I am known to do...I changed the plan. LOL
They make cooler packs that you freeze and then use for putting into coolers to keep things cold. Some of them are very small, but I have made my own by using zip freezer bags and doubling them up, putting them into a square shaped container, then freezing them. You can drop one of these in the reservoir to help cool down the temp. And they are reusable.

If the reservoir stays too cold, they have these cool units that are used to keep barn fowl and pet water dishes/trays from freezing. It's a metal coil that is put at the bottom of the water container and plugs in. Puts out just enough heat to keep the water from freezing and they are small enough to fit into a plastic tub like people are using for hydro. They can be put on their own little timer to come on once or twice a day as needed.
Just some thoughts. If they help, great...if not...well that's okay too.:laugh:
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Thanks canna, that will work, I'll get pics up as soon as I do some cuts, and you can see mine working. I could use the ice packs....or frozen bottles. I wonder how difficult it is to regulate the temp that way, to keep it steady I mean. What I hope to do atm, is to find an area on my tile floor...where the cold transfer is optimal...and set the rig there.....you know...like move it around til I get the temps I want. I'm going to grow for a few years with soil, I'll do this hydro....or aero...project along the way, but I am intrigued with soil. I picture everything that's going on in my pots, the soil being changed by living processes into forms that the plant uses...........I love growing....everything about it........growing anything! I want to know everything about it, so hopefully one day I can get a set of routines, that produce quality products with less stress and effort........so I can concentrate my energy on the medical aspects of the cannabis. I know some, and I treat patients now, but I feel like a whimp in the medical dept.. I need to spend more time on research and less on growing experiments. I am so loaded right now, I got off track and started going over my objectives....LOL. I just took about three hits off some meds I grew this summer.......matter of fact....lol...here I go again...LOL......I call it lucky charms, it's magically delicious.
 
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mcloadie said:
Thanks canna, that will work, I'll get pics up as soon as I do some cuts, and you can see mine working. I could use the ice packs....or frozen bottles. I wonder how difficult it is to regulate the temp that way, to keep it steady I mean. What I hope to do atm, is to find an area on my tile floor...where the cold transfer is optimal...and set the rig there.....you know...like move it around til I get the temps I want. I'm going to grow for a few years with soil, I'll do this hydro....or aero...project along the way, but I am intrigued with soil. I picture everything that's going on in my pots, the soil being changed by living processes into forms that the plant uses...........I love growing....everything about it........growing anything! I want to know everything about it, so hopefully one day I can get a set of routines, that produce quality products with less stress and effort........so I can concentrate my energy on the medical aspects of the cannabis. I know some, and I treat patients now, but I feel like a whimp in the medical dept.. I need to spend more time on research and less on growing experiments. I am so loaded right now, I got off track and started going over my objectives....LOL. I just took about three hits off some meds I grew this summer.......matter of fact....lol...here I go again...LOL......I call it lucky charms, it's magically delicious.
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You definitely sound like a "happy" mellow fellow right now. It's a goodly thing.:thumb:
Glad to help with some ideas on the cooling, you'll figure it out.
Looking forward to the pics when you get things all set to go. :-)
 
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cannafan said:
Okay that's 3 plus me that believes Nitrogen Def. That's what we'll call it!
Oh, The leaf pic was taken about two hours later than I plucked it, so it had dried somewhat and the blotching color had faded. That blotching was only on one plant. I think I'll go ahead and add a little cal/mag every other watering or so to that one. :thanks:
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his is how I troubleshoot deficiencies....or my plants just don't look like they should.....I'll go through my mental process; could the quality and quantity of my soil be the source of the problem......should it be getting low on nutes at this point in time. Am I watering correctly, don't trip on how much water others plants are using....my ten gallon pots drain with half the water that some others are using. What I'm trying to determine first is whether I have a lockout, or my plants are just hungry.......not enough nutes, either in the soil or my regimen....or both. If I rule out deficiency.....I know there's enough of everything my plants require in the soil, or in the nutes I'm feeding with, then I have to figure out why they are locked up! Again, my watering is good, what's the pH of my water. Calcium and magnesium are generally used at greater rates than the other micronutrients, if these aren't present in adequate amounts, the nutes can be locked out. Do I have hard water....or water with an abundance of calcium. As I do, we had a lengthy discussion and decide that it was a good idea to dilute r/o water with the calcified water, and amend with Epsom salts separately to have better control over the ratios. Just me canna, but this is how I think, and in your case with what I know, this is what I'd do if your water isn't calcified. I'd give them a min recommended dose of calmag, and a half dose of balanced nutes....nutes with all three numbers the same, and contained micronutrients that way, if the calmag unlocks the soil, you haven't added enough nutes to do bad damage. And wait..........I hope this makes sense......LOL.......this is all just my opinion.....you have good instincts....and should trust them! BTW, I thought you were going to put the cloner together...LOL, crap you're growing plants you cloned with it already!!!!!LOLOL
 
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Wow, things are moving fast. I love watching spiders build their webs too. I have watched for an hour straight as an orb spider has built a web. It is pretty cool that they use different types of web, some really strong, and some really sticky. They can also tell what has landed in their web. If you throw a moth in they will grab it sometimes without using much or any web on it fist. If you put something in that can hurt them they will wrap it up so it can't move before they come close, and then very cautiously bite.

As far as the yellowing goes. I personally think you were just not watering enough per watering. The plant will make adjustments based on what is available to it. If you are watering enough so that a small amount drains, that should be good. You can do small waterings, and occasional larger ones. I like your idea of experimenting with the males. I still stand behind what I said about being cautious with the nutrients. I would feel comfortable following the recommendations of the manufacturer. Personally the biggest mistakes I made were too much nutes, and too much water early on. It is hard to overdo it with the cal mag, but the thing is adding the cal mag will limit N uptake I am fairly sure. I would want another more experienced grower to confirm this, but I am pretty sure that is how it would work. Giving too much nutes is worse than not enough. Just my two cents :) I like MC agree that your instincts are very good, and you will find what works for your situation.

Awesome job on the bubble cloner. I am really happy with mine. I cut my holes with a utility knife...never doing that again ha ha. I am going to be giving a bunch of plants as gifts this year just taken as cuttings. I have had good results by first having the stems just above the water level, then once roots appear drop the level so the roots get splashed. It seems to work well both ways, but the roots seem to stay white and gunk free by lowering the water. I have even gotten semi-hardwoods to root :thumb:
 
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your leaf damage appears to be a nitrogen deficiency simply meaning your plants are using more nitrogen then you are supplying. I would increase your nutrients to 1/2 recommended strength next watering.
 
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A PH tester question....I have this tester:
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When I use it, I swirl my water around a little and then put the tester in according to the directions. I leave it a few seconds and get a reading, but if I leave it in there it will slowly go down by one tenth or so every couple of seconds. I can go from 7.5 all the way below 5.0 if I just hold it there. I am not confident that I am doing this right.
How do you guys use your testers? I want to be absolutely sure I'm using this thing right and the directions on it are really not that helpful. I know about calibration and such, but I want to be sure I'm using it correctly from the start.
Thanks if you can help!
 
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RainStacks said:
...... I am going to be giving a bunch of plants as gifts this year just taken as cuttings......
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Well, if you are giving plants of the kind we are growing here.....I want a gift too!!! Are you doing personal deliveries??:rofl:
 
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I have my first official visitors to my grow room. I don't allow visitors in my grow room, but I'm thinking these are a GOOD thing?
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Have you calibrated the meter yet? Might be as simple as that, I think we might have the same meter, and mine hasn't done that, not yet at least.
cannafan said:
A PH tester question....I have this tester:
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When I use it, I swirl my water around a little and then put the tester in according to the directions. I leave it a few seconds and get a reading, but if I leave it in there it will slowly go down by one tenth or so every couple of seconds. I can go from 7.5 all the way below 5.0 if I just hold it there. I am not confident that I am doing this right.
How do you guys use your testers? I want to be absolutely sure I'm using this thing right and the directions on it are really not that helpful. I know about calibration and such, but I want to be sure I'm using it correctly from the start.
Thanks if you can help!
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