Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Very nice Canna your in the fun part :party:....glad you raised the screen a little...you will fill it out no problem and your buds will have some support...a lot of people put the screen up too early and it is useless after the stretch

....enjoy...this is the best part imo
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

The placement of the screen will vary from strain to strain. So it takes some getting familiar with the strains you choose but when you figure it out with the strains your running its a really good tool to increase your yields as well as keeping everything spaced out good for airflow. I need to go back and take a look.
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

I see what you're saying, Jay. But in the end, stretch is stretch. If the plant is more or less at screen level when you flip to a flowering light cycle — it will stretch the same distance above the screen whether the screen is 6" above the medium or 15" above the medium. One might even argue that the plant under the 15" screen would stretch more because it had a longer veg... This is assuming that tucking stops when the light schedule gets flipped. Tucking can continue for the first part of stretch, however.

When I sentenced one of my two plants to the colder overnight temperatures of the greenhouse to finish, I stopped tucking under the screen. I decided that she didn't need the extra stress of additional training. The second plant went on a 12/12 schedule the same day and I've continued to move the new growth horizontally. The flip was six days ago. Here is a shot of the two plants side by side.

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Obviously, the plant on the left that has not been trained at all for the last week is going to have problems if things get heavy up top (I hope I have to deal with it!) It may need more additional support above the screen compared to the plant on the right that is still getting trained. These are the same strain, but different phenos. The one on the left has always been a little more stretchy.

When I was researching SCRoG one thing I read left a profound impression. It was a rant by a very experienced old school SCroGer. According to him, what many people call a SCRoG is not a SCRoG at all. What they do is PUaSS (put up a support screen.)
A support screen or net sits higher above the medium. Its purpose is to prevent the colas from falling over or into each other and keep airflow and light penetration even The author had nothing against PUaSS. It is a valid and often valuable tool. His beef was with folks calling PUaSS a SCRoG.

A SCRoG, by his definition, means using a screen or net to extensively train horizontal growth so that all of the colas basically grow up from screen level and form a nice even sea of nugs. He went on to say that there is all kinds of middle ground. It is even possible to PUaSS a SCRoG. Someone on here has a PUaSS SCRoG going on right now — like a double decker bus. I forget who... The journal isn't updated very often. I failed to subscribe to it.

As Shota said: "The placement of the screen will vary from strain to strain. So it takes some getting familiar with the strains you choose but when you figure it out with the strains your running its a really good tool to increase your yields as well as keeping everything spaced out good for airflow."[/B]

There are a lot of variables strain to strain and pheno to pheno. A leggy hazy and a squat Afghani are as different as a pug and a great dane.

In the end, stretch is stretch. The height of the screen doesn't have that much to do with how much the plant stretches. A leggy plant may require additional support strategies down the road. A short bushy plant may struggle to fill a screen that is too high. It's all situational.

Mostly it's just great to be able to see different people try different things here at:420:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

I would say do what your plants need and call it what you want. The goal is to make an even canopy no matter what your circumstance or what you use to train them. Lets just say uniformity training and learn to read plants and act accordingly. There is a million ways to do a screen of green and two million ways to grow the plant.
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Great information you guys! I am striving for an even canopy, having never grown before, it will be interesting to see if I can do that with these two strains. One of these girls is VERY sparse in foliage compared to the others. I can't wait to see how this progresses. :thanks:
 
Re: Newest of Noobs..from set up to growing and harvesting

cannafan said:
It works! I got the PVC CFL light fixture completed and it works great! Using the basic instructions from another forum, I think the originator of the design was "matagrowa"?, I developed a design and put it together this morning.
The original design had aluminum on the top for reflecting. I couldn't find anything to cut my aluminum here so I scrounged around and found a plastic light cover that is used under fluorescent ceiling lights. I cut it to fit the top of the fixture in a small dome shape and then covered the inside of it with Mylar. Worked out fine. I may change that later when I get some tin snips for the aluminum. The hardest part of this was working with the electrical wires. They were so stiff that getting them bent into the pvc tubes after getting the wire nuts on them proved to be a major task. Next time I'm going to use lamp cord, it isn't near as hard to work with.
This fixture houses 8 large CFL bulbs. All of the sockets are 660w
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This image is from the side so you can see how the mylar covered plastic forms a dome:
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And this is the underside:
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I'm kinda thinking....not too bad for a girl Yep, cat's out of the bag...I'm a girl. Hadn't really thought about mentioning that until today when I saw I hadn't answered that on my profile. :biglaugh:

Better get back to work, daylight is dwindling and I have a room to set up for veggie stage yet.
Happy growing all!:thumb:
Oh, here's a link to the original instructions for this light fixture:
CFL Light Tutorial
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hey canna can you find the link that showed you how to make that DIY light with the pvc pipe?
 
Re: Newest of Noobs..from set up to growing and harvesting

frostyMJbudEC said:
hey canna can you find the link that showed you how to make that DIY light with the pvc pipe?
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Holy hell!!!! WTF you workin on a patent? I would so buy that fixture ;) thanks for teaching me how to make it!!!! <3 ;)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

cannafan said:
Great information you guys! I am striving for an even canopy, having never grown before, it will be interesting to see if I can do that with these two strains. One of these girls is VERY sparse in foliage compared to the others. I can't wait to see how this progresses. :thanks:
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Even canopy? I assume you do not top then? Cool!
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Hey Frosty and wildrose,
I found the link in the how to section of the site. I'll see if I can locate that again for you and post it.
And, no I haven't done any topping as yet. Maybe next grow. :-)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

cannafan said:
Hey Frosty and wildrose,
I found the link in the how to section of the site. I'll see if I can locate that again for you and post it.
And, no I haven't done any topping as yet. Maybe next grow. :-)
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I got deep respect for those who can have even canopies without topping plants it is a art form :)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

cannafan said:
Hey Frosty and wildrose,
I found the link in the how to section of the site. I'll see if I can locate that again for you and post it.
And, no I haven't done any topping as yet. Maybe next grow. :-)
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thnx much cannafan
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

This is a link to the original creator of the light:
DIY CFL Deep Water Culture Grow A
I'll be danged if I can find the actual instructions I used to build it.
Might take a little time, I'll try to remember where I found it. :-)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Here it is, same link I first gave you. Check for post #19. It gives the materials list etc.
CFL Light Tutorial

Actually not the same link. Sorry. LOL
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

WildRosebud said:
I got deep respect for those who can have even canopies without topping plants it is a art form :)
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Well, If I fail you all will be the first to see it. ....besides me:biglaugh: I may just scratch "even" during the process due to frustration. LOL
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

cannafan said:
Well, If I fail you all will be the first to see it. ....besides me:biglaugh: I may just scratch "even" during the process due to frustration. LOL
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You will do fine:thumb:

One thing that has helped me, that may help you is running a few strings horizontally through the screen...this will give you more training spots and make your tucking sessions easier...you have plenty of bars one way but less in the other direction...a few strings may help

I buy 6 inch scrog netting but I run strings through it evenly to give myself more training spots.

Works for me ...maybe it will help you ...maybe not...either way good luck:thumb:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

hi mate,

you can have a very even canopy using just low stress training, when i was growing with just cfls i used low stress training and kept pulling branches out sideways and pull the stem over on its side as well, the ww x sk1 i got growing at the minute was growing way to quick compared to my other plants so i pulled that right over on its side as well, now its a huge bush with a nice even canopy,

did you come across alex's scrog yet where the screen is below the plant, not easy to do once the plants big as you would have to feed the plant through the holes, but basically the screen is below the plant so you then just tie the plant down to the screen, this then has all the growth above the screen then just tie each branch down as it grows, you dont have the plant rubbing on the screen then or pushing it up as the stem still grows upwards so it puts pressure on the screen, so having the plant above the screen seems a good option and should produce better results then having the plant below the screen,

some growers have said that when the plants are in flower the scrog can rub on buds and cut into branches, so having the screen below the plant would stop this happening, plus for the last 2 weeks of flower you could then cut the plant away from the screen and let it relax for the last 2 weeks of flower,

ive seen a huge plant that alex sent me the link for that was grown using the scrog below plant method, both methods will work but i just thougt the scrog below plant is a good idea as nothing is restricted or tucked under the screen, instead its all tied down onto the screen so then anything below the screen can be cut off as it wont be getting any light
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Gotcha covered Jay. Was actually starting to run some line tonight. I was going to do that before I placed the screen but I thought I would have a hell of a time trying to set it over the plants that way because they had so much growth. I started to use wire, you can see it in the first picture, but that was a PAIN. I was really afraid I would break a main stem, but thank goodness that didn't happen. :thanks: work work work....but I love it. :-)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

donpaul.p said:
hi mate,

you can have a very even canopy using just low stress training, when i was growing with just cfls i used low stress training and kept pulling branches out sideways and pull the stem over on its side as well, the ww x sk1 i got growing at the minute was growing way to quick compared to my other plants so i pulled that right over on its side as well, now its a huge bush with a nice even canopy,

did you come across alex's scrog yet where the screen is below the plant, not easy to do once the plants big as you would have to feed the plant through the holes, but basically the screen is below the plant so you then just tie the plant down to the screen, this then has all the growth above the screen then just tie each branch down as it grows, you dont have the plant rubbing on the screen then or pushing it up as the stem still grows upwards so it puts pressure on the screen, so having the plant above the screen seems a good option and should produce better results then having the plant below the screen,

some growers have said that when the plants are in flower the scrog can rub on buds and cut into branches, so having the screen below the plant would stop this happening, plus for the last 2 weeks of flower you could then cut the plant away from the screen and let it relax for the last 2 weeks of flower,

ive seen a huge plant that alex sent me the link for that was grown using the scrog below plant method, both methods will work but i just thougt the scrog below plant is a good idea as nothing is restricted or tucked under the screen, instead its all tied down onto the screen so then anything below the screen can be cut off as it wont be getting any light
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Hi DonPaul....I have skimmed over Alex's thread once. I will need to take a closer look and read up. Thanks for the reminder to look that up again!
Take care dude
 
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