Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

hi,

damn i got a lot to catch up on, if im not on here for a few days ive got pages and pages to catch up on so had a quick flick,

how did the clones turn out, never got that far, did they need the dome putting back on, myself i would of waited till they had more roots or put the dome over when you put them in soil,

when you take clones always use a clean knife and make sure its sharp, boil it if you have to, i use a knife set thats got lots of different blades that you fit into handles or a craft knife is perfect,
im sure you know this all ready but cut at 45 degree angle, then scrape the stem, then what i do and find works well is where you cut it 45 degree i cut an X in the bottom of the clone,

so i take the clone scrape the sides to remove the outer layer then where it was cut i cut an ex so the bottom of the clone sort of splits open, i find that method seems to work well and its what i do every time now, i have had 100% success with clones using that method, when i took clones without rotting hormones just to compare difference i used that same method and they rooted the same as using rooting gel, years ago they used nothing to clone they just cut them and planted them, we use rooting hormones to speed the process up a bit, it dont speed it up by much, when i take my next clones ill do a side by side test with rooting gel and without rooting gel.

i also seen your pics with the light coloured leaves, could it just be that the light is not getting to that bottom of the plant, my room is pretty crowded and i have leaves not getting any light so i either have to defol to let light in or i pull the leaves and side shoots off so the plant dont waste energy growing these under poor light, i only pull leaves off that have turned yellow lower down the plant but i just wondered if yours could be down to the light not getting to that part of the plant,

maybe you sorted this problem all ready but im 5 pages behind and trying to get caught up, so ill appologise now if ive said the same thing someone else has said or if the problem has now been solved,
 
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donpaul.p said:
hi,

damn i got a lot to catch up on, if im not on here for a few days ive got pages and pages to catch up on so had a quick flick,

how did the clones turn out, never got that far, did they need the dome putting back on, myself i would of waited till they had more roots or put the dome over when you put them in soil,

when you take clones always use a clean knife and make sure its sharp, boil it if you have to, i use a knife set thats got lots of different blades that you fit into handles or a craft knife is perfect,
im sure you know this all ready but cut at 45 degree angle, then scrape the stem, then what i do and find works well is where you cut it 45 degree i cut an X in the bottom of the clone,

so i take the clone scrape the sides to remove the outer layer then where it was cut i cut an ex so the bottom of the clone sort of splits open, i find that method seems to work well and its what i do every time now, i have had 100% success with clones using that method, when i took clones without rotting hormones just to compare difference i used that same method and they rooted the same as using rooting gel, years ago they used nothing to clone they just cut them and planted them, we use rooting hormones to speed the process up a bit, it dont speed it up by much, when i take my next clones ill do a side by side test with rooting gel and without rooting gel.

i also seen your pics with the light coloured leaves, could it just be that the light is not getting to that bottom of the plant, my room is pretty crowded and i have leaves not getting any light so i either have to defol to let light in or i pull the leaves and side shoots off so the plant dont waste energy growing these under poor light, i only pull leaves off that have turned yellow lower down the plant but i just wondered if yours could be down to the light not getting to that part of the plant,

maybe you sorted this problem all ready but im 5 pages behind and trying to get caught up, so ill appologise now if ive said the same thing someone else has said or if the problem has now been solved,
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Hi DP, thanks for stopping by. There was a bit of activity here for a few days there. LOL
Clones are doing okay, I have at least one more rooted and I'm leaving it in the rockwool until the roots get longer. I didn't check the rest of them today, but last night I took the ones that hadn't rooted yet and started over on the stems. They were completely sealed up, so I did pretty much what you described above with the splitting etc. I think They will root now.
I want to get some of the rapid rooters like KJC is using, I've read very good things from a lot of members on those. I'm sure the hydro store sells them, so will pick some up this week.
If you get through the rest of my pages from the last few days you will see I had a question on what to do when I put the plants into SCRog, whether I flip to 12/12 right away or not. I wanted to get the 5 girls in there today, but had an issue outside that had to be resolved and it took up most all of my time today. Time....that four letter word again...it's always eluding me! Grrrrr
I'm going to build a cloner this week too, with the 5 gallon bucket method. Projects! Gotta love em'. :-)
Again, thanks for stopping in and taking time to give your insights. Always welcome Sir. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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Vegas flower said:
CVS and Walgreens have them in the tobacco section behind the registers. Training and quickie cleaning of the one hitter, win win!
Good luck.
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Thank you! There is a Walgreens within minutes of where I work. Ya know....my brother smokes a pipe. I Never thought of asking him for any pipe cleaners. :biglaugh:
 
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the rapid rooters seem to work well, but ive not had any problems with cloning recently so not needed to change something that i know works every time, before it was a bit hit and miss but now i got the dome the right size and the cutting method seems to work well so if i have problems then ill try another method, air layering is a good cloning method but not the easiest but it does allow you to take huge clones,

ill go back a few page and have a look about the scrog, i guess it all depends on the scrog and how long you want to veg for, some strains take longer to start flowering so might fill the screen where as a mature plant will start flowering sooner, so a quick flowering strain might need a longer veg time to fill the scrod,

ive not tried a scrog yet but its something i will try, i think id like to make sure at least half the scrog was filled before flipping 12-12, then the 2 weeks stretch might just about fill the scrog without it getting to crowded, alex's scrogs a good idea and it the method ill be using, the plant grows above the scrog instead of below, you then tie the plant down to the scrog so its not rubbing on the screen or no buds end up rubbing on it, then the last week or 2 of flower you can cut the plant free and let it stretch a little for the last week or 2, i just think that method would work better as your getting all the light on the plant all the time instead of having leaves tucked below the screen, im sure it was miwa who had buds rubbing on the screen, could be wrong though but think it was him who said it was rubbing the trichs off the buds, so ill have the scrog below the plant when i do a crog then i think it will be easier to train as you just tie the branches down as they grow, plus the stem is always growing upwards and this will push the scrog up, when we use lst we have to undo the ties once every 2 weeks to let the plant stretch before we tie it back down else it can cause stress on the branches and can break a branch as well
 
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cannafan said:
Question on watering and nute feeding.
I started with 1/4 strength GH nute program on my last watering, 3 days ago. Should I give them the nutes every time I water, or every other time? I am still seeing a slight light green to yellowish on the leaves, haven't checked this morning yet. I took off all of the yellowed leaves during the work yesterday on LST.
I should water today as they were looking a bit droopy yesterday and the pots feel dry.
Thanks all!
Random thought for the day:
A friend of mine gets mad when I kill crawly creatures in my house.
Bugs and critters don't invite me into their domiciles, and if they could kill me for being there...they certainly would! So why should I not do the same when they come into my home??
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I think you should be good doing feeding two to three times per week. When they are in flower, I think you can do more. I am giving my plants fully in flower more nutes, and they have no signs of burn minus a little clawing for hours-days. But no burnt tips or pistils from it. I tried a method Relaxed Lester told me about, where he wets the soil with plan water, then adds the nutes (also in water). I found this to increase the power of the same dosage of nutes. I think it spreads them out better, but I found it was too much water for my plants in pots that are about 1/4 the size they should be. If you want to see faster results, try foliar feeding. I use an exo terra mister for reptiles. They have bigger ones with hoses, but I like it being small. I use it to mist my worm bin too, so it comes in really handy too.

I don't like killing things I don't eat, but I was wondering the other day, how many animals die each year for me to exist. We know our carbon footprint, but what is our life-taking footprint. I love bugs though, so I am biased :) I think I will ask Rico, he might actually know the answer!
cannafan said:
Hi DP, thanks for stopping by. There was a bit of activity here for a few days there. LOL
Clones are doing okay, I have at least one more rooted and I'm leaving it in the rockwool until the roots get longer. I didn't check the rest of them today, but last night I took the ones that hadn't rooted yet and started over on the stems. They were completely sealed up, so I did pretty much what you described above with the splitting etc. I think They will root now.
I want to get some of the rapid rooters like KJC is using, I've read very good things from a lot of members on those. I'm sure the hydro store sells them, so will pick some up this week.
If you get through the rest of my pages from the last few days you will see I had a question on what to do when I put the plants into SCRog, whether I flip to 12/12 right away or not. I wanted to get the 5 girls in there today, but had an issue outside that had to be resolved and it took up most all of my time today. Time....that four letter word again...it's always eluding me! Grrrrr
I'm going to build a cloner this week too, with the 5 gallon bucket method. Projects! Gotta love em'. :-)
Again, thanks for stopping in and taking time to give your insights. Always welcome Sir. :cheesygrinsmiley:
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I am not speaking from experience about the flip, but I would think it depends on the space you need them to fill, and the power of the light you use. As well as the amount the particular strain will keep stretching at this point. I know this was not helpful :?

Oh be careful about photos of non ganja stuff, I got warned before. I do love the shelf you made though, looks awesome!

When Chuck Norris does push-ups he doesn't go up, the world goes down! :goodjob:
 
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cannafan said:
Okay, I got that. But....should I go ahead and feed them the 1/4 strength nutes with each watering unless I see a problem, or should I use just plain water every other time. I'm thinking they were telling me they needed nutes with the yellowing, so I"m leaning toward another nute feed?
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I use nutrients every time i water my cannabis plants unless I am flushing.
 
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wow cannafan you have definitely come a long when from your start +reps to you :high-five:
 
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frostyMJbudEC said:
wow cannafan you have definitely come a long when from your start +reps to you :high-five:
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Thanks for the +Reps, Frosty...
It has come a long way, sure feels like it's been years. LOL
 
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Okay, this morning I went through the plants and defoliated every single yellowing leaf I could find. Now If they continue to yellow, after they have had proper nutrients the last week, I will know if there is another issue going on.
 
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frostyMJbudEC said:
wow cannafan you have definitely come a long when from your start +reps to you :high-five:
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Hey FrostyMJ,
There's something wrong with the link to your Blue Dream A-Train perpetual Hempy Grow. When I click on it, it takes me to some search page.
Anyone else have the same prob?
 
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cannafan said:
Hey FrostyMJ,
There's something wrong with the link to your Blue Dream A-Train perpetual Hempy Grow. When I click on it, it takes me to some search page.
Anyone else have the same prob?
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if anyone else has this is the first ive heard but you were right there was a problem of some kind that was on my end not yours but its all set now thnx for letting me know
 
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Okay, I am seriously re-thinking this SCRoG. Two main reasons, one is that I should have started it long before these plants got as big as they are. It's going to be very difficult to get them under a screen with enough room for the stretch and not hitting the lights.
There is only about 2' of actual room for them to grow before I can't move the lights up anymore. The buckets they are in are 8" tall, add at least a foot height on the plants, and then a couple of feet for the stretch....I think it's too tight. Especially if I replant to bigger pots. I don't want to burn the plants/buds.
Here's the grow space, you can see where the buckets are and the distance to the lights which are at maximum height in the pic.
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What do you all think? Wait for the next grow and start the SCRoG earlier? I've come too far now to have a disaster.
These strains range in the 4' tall according to the breeders info., but it would be less than that with the LST'ing...right?
Any input is appreciated. Maybe I"m allowing too much for the stretch? I haven't a clue how tall they get during that phase.

Edit: On the next grow that shelf is going to be about 2' shorter than it is. That was already installed in the room when I started this and it's too high for what I want to do. It will be a major pain lowering it because it is set into a cement wall.
 
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cannafan said:
Okay, I am seriously re-thinking this SCRoG. Two main reasons, one is that I should have started it long before these plants got as big as they are. It's going to be very difficult to get them under a screen with enough room for the stretch and not hitting the lights.
There is only about 2' of actual room for them to grow before I can't move the lights up anymore. The buckets they are in are 8" tall, add at least a foot height on the plants, and then a couple of feet for the stretch....I think it's too tight. Especially if I replant to bigger pots. I don't want to burn the plants/buds.
Here's the grow space, you can see where the buckets are and the distance to the lights which are at maximum height in the pic.
9-21_Flower_Scrog_1.jpg

What do you all think? Wait for the next grow and start the SCRoG earlier? I've come too far now to have a disaster.
These strains range in the 4' tall according to the breeders info., but it would be less than that with the LST'ing...right?
Any input is appreciated. Maybe I"m allowing too much for the stretch? I haven't a clue how tall they get during that phase.

Edit: On the next grow that shelf is going to be about 2' shorter than it is. That was already installed in the room when I started this and it's too high for what I want to do. It will be a major pain lowering it because it is set into a cement wall.
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i guess what it comes down to is genetics, depending on the strain some stretch up to 4x the height when switching to flower, but maybe if you lst'd right before the flip that may help but ive never done it but i cant see that being a problem for the plant. but really if you are worried it may be best to wait until your next grow to try it out, u dont want the thought that something could go wrong hanging over your head every time you think about your plants, it may just be best to wait
 
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Stretch normaly dubles or triples the plants height. Sativa strains more, Indica less. Dont fret, If you have a screen it has lots of places to 'LST tie' to. :)

The same strain can be grown at 2 feet high or 8 feet. If you SCRog, whn they get taller, you move them to the next square to shrink them. I would think the screen will provide better hieght restricting properties than no screen. Unless you Supercrop. :)
 
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Well, I thought for a long time on this. I did some renovating this morning on the scrog area. I think it will work. Tonight when I get home from work I will be getting the plants in there....providing there are no major interruptions to my time. I have the electrical all worked out, so the fans/lights and anything else needed in there will be on the timer setting and the cords are all out of the way. That's a biggy for me, cuz I hate clutter!
Will post some pics tonight during the process.
Take care all
 
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cannafan said:
Well, I thought for a long time on this. I did some renovating this morning on the scrog area. I think it will work. Tonight when I get home from work I will be getting the plants in there....providing there are no major interruptions to my time. I have the electrical all worked out, so the fans/lights and anything else needed in there will be on the timer setting and the cords are all out of the way. That's a biggy for me, cuz I hate clutter!
Will post some pics tonight during the process.
Take care all
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Can't wait to see it Canna!
 
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aztecbuds said:
hope u find a solution out >.< do u have space under cuhz it looks to be on a shelf but maybe cut whatever there on etc.
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Hi Aztecbuds, there really isn't any way to cut just a space. This is actually a wooden table that is screwed into a cement wall. I will be lowering that on the next grow. It's just going to be a LOT of work.
I believe I have this all squared up though...as my next post will show. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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Alrighty then...I have proven to myself that there are 101 uses for empty 2 liter pepsi bottles.
I found a dog/pet fence cage that was the perfect width and sectioned it out. Problem was, I couldn't figure out a way to hold up to the height I needed and not have to build something heavy to hold it in place, or use something not sturdy enough. These pepsi bottles just happened to fit into the squares perfectly! So I filled them all halfway with water and use them as supports.
Btw, the scrog screen I made in the beginning with the wooden room divider was long enough...but it wasn't wide enough for me. Now that I have everything in there, it looks like there's going to be plenty of room for growth.
This fencing stuff is perfect size:
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So I took a couple of hours and got it all done, all set and ready to grow, flip train...whatever I need. Here's some pics:
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Oh, and I have the mutant under the herb cabinet lights. It is currently on 12/12 schedule just to see what happens:
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So if anyone sees anything I need to correct or add, do let me know. Been a long night. LOL Tigers have me on the edge of my seat.

Couple of editing notes: It doesn't show well in the pictures, but there is plenty of room for me to get the water into the buckets with my squirt bottle. Also, the lights are lowered all the way down, so I have lots of room to make them higher as needed. There is a fan on both ends of the grow going across the lights just above the plants and they move gently.
I will do some tucking and adjusting tomorrow after they have recovered from my abuse this evening.
 
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