Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Hi Canna, I hope you are having a great weekend. I am really liking what you are doing with your training. Those roots looked perfectly fine to me. You want to look for that white color on new root growth. If some of the roots were spongy/mush and fell apart in your fingers then that would be a sign that they sat in water for too long. The grow setup looks sort of long to me, but it is hard to tell. You want to base the shape on the footprint of the lights you will be using. If the intensity is much greater in the middle, you will get faster growth in that area. Run the lights you have in the area and see how bright it looks throughout. Also check the temps of the screen you made. Metal without a plastic coating on it may heat up a bit too much indoors. If you do end up getting a male, it would be a pain cutting it out one piece at a time, and having to be so careful not to cut the wrong plant or get tangled and cause damage. As far as the lights from underneath pointing up, don't do it. Leaves are like little solar panels that work from overhead light. Light from the sides would work though. I wanted to tell you too that there are heat guns that can measure the temp of the leaves(I feel like you asked about this before, I thought about it but forgot to say so), they use a laser. The closer the leaf temp is to the ambient temp, the easier it is on the plant. If you want some more info on this PM me. I can't wait to see how you end up training these plants. They are looking so cool :) +reps
Hey Rain! Thanks for the reps! Always a goodly thing. :cheesygrinsmiley: And for the thumbs up on the LST, I really like how it's going too.

On the length of the lighting, I realize when I look at the first picture that the second long light fixture cannot be seen. There is another one that goes the rest of the length of the scrog screen. I also hung a different type of fixture right between the two long ones today to make sure there is light in the center.
In each corner of the grow area are old camera tripod stands that I have clip on fans attached to and I can attach clip on lights if needed too. On the front board I added a piece of wood so I can attach two dremel tool hanger stands, they telescope up and have a hook on top of them. I figure when I need them I can attach lighting or fans where I need later.

The scrog screen itself is wooden with strings, so no metal to worry about on this one. The string is fairly easy to push around and separate if I HAVE to take a plant out for any reason. (which just made me think, I better secure each joining section with some tape so they don't get pushed around by the plants. LOL) I wish it were a bit wider though, I could fit two buckets under it easily, one in front of the other. But I'll be building another one from PVC this winter that fits the space in order to use it to its full potential.

Thanks for the tip on infrared/laser heat sensor, they have those now that you can use during cooking...I know I saw one on ebay a few months back that was reasonably priced. They used to be used in the automotive industry and were extremely expensive.

Good on the roots, I didn't think they looked rotted but wasn't really sure. They held together well when I flushed them. We'll see if that plants comes back around, it wilted A LOT, when I replanted it. If it doesn't, well it will go in the trash. I want to concentrate my efforts and spend energy dollars on plants that are doing well.
Well, I'm off to see if I can get some clones. I made some humidity domes from 2 liter pepsi bottles like I saw someone on this site do. I LOVE when I don't have to spend money! DIY BABY!!:yahoo:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Okay, I did my cloning.
First I took the cuttings at a 45 degree angle with extremely sharp pruners, then I scraped ever so slightly a small layer of "skin" off the area of the cut, removed all of the lower leaves and put each clone immediately into a rooting hormone gel and placed them in soaked PH balanced rockwool cubes. Then into the humidity domes. I sprayed a fine mist of water inside the domes.
I was not sure if I should have light on these or not, so I'll wait for responses on that and move them from the light when I get home tonight if necessary.
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Please give any thoughts or opinions on what I should do differently...or even If I did good. :)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

nice job Canna :thumb:

Yes you want them under light ...I personally have found my clones root best with 18/6 but other people prefer 24/0 or anywhere in between...pick what works best for you

Nice job
Thanks! I currently have the plants under 18/6 anyway, so it will work out perfectly. :-)

Looks like your usual neat and tidy well-researched work, Canna.
Thanks PeeJay, I do like to keep things orderly and tidy....makes for easier working. :-)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Looks awesome Canna. They dont need much light, but since they don't have roots to take up water, you want to keep the humidity close to 100%. In rockwool the cloning gel is a good idea. I believe it will speed things up by a few days. If you see them slump, make the domes smaller so that you can keep the humidity up. You can also put them further from the lights, since they dont need much. BrokeAssReg has a ton of good info in his thread on cloning, and so do Rico and DP (these are just the one's I can think of off hand). +reps for your first clones!
:bravo:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

I've been reading on other sites (where people are not nearly as friendly and nice as here) that clones can be stuck straight into 12/12 and show their sex while trying to root. Is that true?
Thanks all!

I decided to add another question:
Is it normal for the clones to wilt a little when you first start them?
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

I've been reading on other sites (where people are not nearly as friendly and nice as here) that clones can be stuck straight into 12/12 and show their sex while trying to root. Is that true?
Thanks all!

I decided to add another question:
Is it normal for the clones to wilt a little when you first start them?

Root them first...then you can sex them if you want

...I just take clones once I know the sex of the plant then there is no sexing needed

If there wilting you need more humidity...try misting the leaves
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Yes it is true, but it slows veg growth, and can hermie the plant switching back to veg. That is why people take clones of the plants, then put those on 12/12 to sex and determine if they keep the plant the clone came from etc. I think this was mentioned before, so sorry if I am telling you the wrong thing, or repeating something somebody already mentioned. :)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Root them first...then you can sex them if you want

...I just take clones once I know the sex of the plant then there is no sexing needed

If there wilting you need more humidity...try misting the leaves
I will mist them a bit. Thanks!
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Yes it is true, but it slows veg growth, and can hermie the plant switching back to veg. That is why people take clones of the plants, then put those on 12/12 to sex and determine if they keep the plant the clone came from etc. I think this was mentioned before, so sorry if I am telling you the wrong thing, or repeating something somebody already mentioned. :)

I am not all that interested in re-vegging the clones right now, I will if they do okay. I just need to determine the sex of the plants that are going into the scrog set-up before hand. They are not showing any signs of sex right now, and I really need to get this thing moving along. You certainly aren't telling the wrong thing. You are helpful as always and I appreciate that!!:cheesygrinsmiley:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

I found this video in an old post from 2008:
YouTube - I GROW CHRONIC - PART 7 (legendado)[/QUOTE]
I'm not a real fan of this guy's videos....it's the whispering or something that gets under my craw. LOL But this video says exactly what I wanted to do. Thanks everybody for all the suggestions and help.:thanks:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Yeah, he is kinda creepy, but that's exactly what I was thinking you should do. Interested to see how long it takes. You sure do put on a good show, Canna.

The UPS dude brought me my ghetto scratch and dent green house today and I got it all set up! Pictures in my journal. I'm so excited!
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Hey BrokeAssReg, if you watch this video be sure to watch part 8 when it's done too. It shows how he flowers to tell sex on them too.
:-)
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

If any of you use the 2 liter bottles for cloning, should I take the cap off for air circulation or would that ruin my humidity capturing?
I've been taking the bottles of the clones for a few minutes in the morning and at night when I get home, but not sure if that's enough air going in there.
Thanks.
Long danged work day.....I'm a bit grumpy. But you nice ppls always make me better. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

I am not sure on how much air they need, but if they are looking happy/perky, I would think you are doing it right. I watched a bit of that video...it's the whispering that bothers you!? He is a GREEN alien even his nails are green!! :rofl::rofl:

That guy is kind of a kreeper.
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

One thing I like to practice as well is taking your clones right before the lights kick on and never taking clones form plants directly undetr hid lights. They will droop less if you take the clones when the temps are stable at 76-79 degrees.
 
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