Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

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Canna, I've just started my first journal for my first ever grow. I've been reading a ton for a couple of months. My plants are seventeen days behind yours. Anyway, I've enjoyed watching your progress and learning from your thread.
 
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PeeJay said:
Canna, I've just started my first journal for my first ever grow. I've been reading a ton for a couple of months. My plants are seventeen days behind yours. Anyway, I've enjoyed watching your progress and learning from your thread.
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Hi PeeJay! Congrats on starting your very first journal!:cheertwo: This is, in my opinion, the ONLY place to record a journal. Everyone is so great here. :cheesygrinsmiley:
You aren't too awfully far behind my grow, so I will definately head over to your journal and check it out.
You did great by adding your journal addy in your signature. +reps for you for starting your journey here.:high-five:
 
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donpaul.p said:
ive also had the odd mutant in the past, but they usually sort themselves out after 4th or 5th node, i find once the plants gets bigger the problem sort of fades away, different strains repond different to temps, ive had several strains that show heat stress when others dont, when this happens i just move the plant with the problem to a corner of the grow room so its further away from the light then it sorts itself out, i know autos tend to suffer with heat stress more than regular plants, the auto northern lights and auto bubble both show signs of heat stress unless their further away from the plants, but then you need to think where ruderalis grows, it grows in pretty cool climate in mountains so growing it under regular temps is going to cause issues unless the breeder has worked with the strain to breed that trait out,

but as we all know each strain will have 2 or more pheno types so out of 10 seeds you could end up with 5 plants that suffer with heat or have a genetic issue and 5 that dont have any problems at all, if you look on the seed banks you will see some strains have 4 or 5 pheno types from the seeds.

different strains grow in different parts of the world, uk cheese is used to a more humid and cooler environment compared with a kush or flash type strain, so you will always get slight variances depending on the back ground of the strains, i bought a blue mystic about 18months ago and it was badly deformed and stopped growing and died at the 4th node, so i searched on the net and many other growers had the exact same issue, some on this site and some on other sites and the problem was with this one breeders seeds, so i had it replaced by the seed bank but with a different strain as they pulled it from sale, its back on sale now so i bought some a couple of weeks back so will try that strain again when i get room.

so just see how it does now the lights a bit higher, give it 48 hours and see how it looks, if its showing signs of looking better then it could be just down to heat stress, low humidity can also cause a similar problem if temps are to high as the plant uses more moisture than its taking in, i can only give you info i have picked up from my own experience and others will have different ideas and different cures,

check out the plant help guide in my sig below, it covers all types of plant problems so that may help you in future if you have anymore issues,
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Hi DonPaulP, thanks for the input. ALWAYS welcome. I have been to your plant problem chart on several occasions. Nice work documenting all of that, very helpful!
I will give the lil' chit over the weekend. It's so cute though!:biglaugh:
Hope things are going well for you and that your weekend is good too!
 
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IF you are going to attempt cloning I would chose healthy plants to take clones from instead of a weak plant that is having issues, it could affect the cloning process.
 
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KingJohnC said:
IF you are going to attempt cloning I would chose healthy plants to take clones from instead of a weak plant that is having issues, it could affect the cloning process.
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Well, dang...that's a good point too.
I will make my mind up on Monday for sure.
I am going to get some other things rolling this weekend though, like finish up the flower room and get the scrog screen ready to go and set up.
While I'm doing that I want to adjust my LST a bit and I remembered something I wanted to try. There is a thread somewhere on this site where a grower did his LST in kind of a circular fashion around the pot, does anyone know who that is? I have one plant going similar to that, but I wanted to take another look at what I had seen.
I have searched in vain, and I did not subscribe to the thread, so I cannot find it now.
Thanks everyone!
 
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Okay folks, here's what I'm trying to do with the LST. I found some wooden skewers and I'm using them to anchor the stem in one place and then pull the stem around, to go into a kind of circle. Why? Hmmm....good question. LOL I would like to see an even "canopy" on the buckets and keep them an even level for the scrog.
So here it is so far, hopefully you can see the idea I'm working at. :)

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And I have my flower/scrog room all set up and ready. Probably a few days yet while the LST is working. There is going to be plenty of room for at least 5 plants (provided I wind up with 5 females) under the scrog screen and I can fit more if needed. I left plenty of room behind the screen to add lights/fans and in front so I can add lighting underneath the plants.
This is going to be so much fun to watch and tend to.
Now I'm off to the hydro store to see if they have that Ona Gel in yet.
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The training looks great, Canna. What you are doing is interesting for me to watch. We are going about SCROG two different ways. How high is your screen above the pots? You are training the plants before transplanting them under the screen.

I didn't do any training on mine before putting them under the screen. My screen is set at 6" above the soil. When the plants were about 5 inches tall I FIMed them at the 5th node. They were transplanted into the big pots with the screen the next day. Now I'm using the screen to train the plant. The main stem is headed towards one far corner of my rectangular screen. The tops coming to the screen from below get sent towards the other three corners. I'll get some pictures up in my journal later that show what I'm doing.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with our different methods when the plants go 12-12 and do the big stretch.

The flower area is looking tight! You have some mad DIY skills.
 
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PeeJay said:
The training looks great, Canna. What you are doing is interesting for me to watch. We are going about SCROG two different ways. How high is your screen above the pots? You are training the plants before transplanting them under the screen.

I didn't do any training on mine before putting them under the screen. My screen is set at 6" above the soil. When the plants were about 5 inches tall I FIMed them at the 5th node. They were transplanted into the big pots with the screen the next day. Now I'm using the screen to train the plant. The main stem is headed towards one far corner of my rectangular screen. The tops coming to the screen from below get sent towards the other three corners. I'll get some pictures up in my journal later that show what I'm doing.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with our different methods when the plants go 12-12 and do the big stretch.

The flower area is looking tight! You have some mad DIY skills.
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Hey Peejay! Happy Saturday to ya. :-)
My Scrog was one of those make up my mind at the last minute things. Wasn't sure If I was going to do it or not, but I was sure I wanted to do the LST so I would have more main shoots coming up from the stems. So that's how that thought came about. LOL The scrog screen is not permanently affixed yet, it can be lowered or raised as soon as I get the plants transferred in there. I do want to be sure there is enough room under the screen to work on the plants for defol or whatever else I might need to do.
I didn't do any fimming either, after some talk here I decided that was High stress training and I wanted to try to keep things a bit simpler on my first grow.
This will be nice to see the outcome of our different methods for sure.:high-five:
 
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Ona Gel rocks!!

And...what do you guys/gals think of these roots? Do they look bad or okay? I haven't a clue how white they are supposed to be, but this is what the root system looks like on the Mutant plant. It was getting NO better, so I figured if I was going to toss it I wanted to look at the roots. I flushed them with water so I could look them over. Maybe it's a bit of root rot due to the original over watering issue when they were seedlings... I dunno
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I haven't tossed it yet, I replanted it in some new soil until I see what ya'll think.
 
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I did a 2 plant SCROG once and have a few words of advice: Clone your plants first and make sure all are female cuz it sucks cutting a male out thats all tangled into your female. I thought I had Fem seeds but one was a male and make sure to leave enough space for watering and trimming under the screen. I had to buy a funnel and hose to water from the top cuz I built my screen too low.

I know you mentioned leaving enough room Canna so that was more for PJ cuz 6 inches wont be enough IMO
 
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My screen is actually more like 5.5 inches above the dirt... Seems to be working well though. I just keep tucking the tops under the screen and moving them outwards. The portable SCROGing units I constructed eliminate the access problems for watering. The screens are only 16" x 12", so cleaning under them won't be an issue. The plants spend many hours a day out in the sun and get moved between my deck and cabinet.
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CascadianDank said:
I did a 2 plant SCROG once and have a few words of advice: Clone your plants first and make sure all are female cuz it sucks cutting a male out thats all tangled into your female. I thought I had Fem seeds but one was a male and make sure to leave enough space for watering and trimming under the screen. I had to buy a funnel and hose to water from the top cuz I built my screen too low.

I know you mentioned leaving enough room Canna so that was more for PJ cuz 6 inches wont be enough IMO
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Cas! You must have ESP. Great advice! I was working on the scrog area this morning and I was thinking about the very thing you mentioned on having a male or two wind up in there. I was wondering how in the heck you get the thing out of there if you discover one. I am so glad you sent that message. Sure wish I could tell the male from female BEFORE I put the scrog in place, but I'm thinking that isn't likely. I've been checking these plants pretty closely looking for positive signs of sex and so far nothing.
SO, I'm a bit confused on what you mean by cloning them first to make sure they are female.....there's no way to tell from a clone is there?:hmmm:
 
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Root a clone and put it under 12/12 right away. It will show it's gender shortly.
 
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PeeJay said:
Root a clone and put it under 12/12 right away. It will show it's gender shortly.
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I didn't know that! Sheesh, If I had I would have done it last week. :biglaugh:
I'm going to try to find some time tonight and get some clones off the plants.
 
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Okay, on lighting....I'm figuring on about 75 watts per square foot of my space (24 sq. feet total),
so 1800 watts total.
The lumens will be approximately 1600 per bulb, and I'm figuring 24 CFL bulbs total with majority of them being 100 actual watts each @ 2600K and mixing in a few 5600K at 60 watts each. (23w cfl =60 watts) I haven't looked at each bulb yet, so this is a very rough estimate on lumens.
I don't want to buy HID or any other single bulb fixture because I will need at least two of them to cover the length of the grow area and right now I don't want to deal with the major heat exhausting.
Besides the fact that there are no funds to buy any. :icon_roll

I hope all of that makes sense. I have been reading that 50 watt per square foot is the absolute minimum. Is that right?

Another question, I was thinking of putting two 4' double tube flourescent fixtures, one in the front bottom and one in the back on the bottom to point up into the plants. Good idea?, or would that be useless?

Edit: I found this post by DonPaul.p on lightaddicts thread that answered the question:
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with your plant be careful with any lights below soil level as this will slow down upwards growth as the plant struggles to find which direction the light is coming from, so keep lights above and down the sides of the plant but a few inches above soil level, any lighting below the plant can cause problems and slow growth,
 
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PeeJay said:
My screen is actually more like 5.5 inches above the dirt... Seems to be working well though. I just keep tucking the tops under the screen and moving them outwards. The portable SCROGing units I constructed eliminate the access problems for watering. The screens are only 16" x 12", so cleaning under them won't be an issue. The plants spend many hours a day out in the sun and get moved between my deck and cabinet.
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The problems I ran into were after the screen filled in and my gallon jugs didnt fit under to water and watering from the top down thru your buds during flower isnt a good idea cuz you dont want to soak your buds. If you can get in there to water then all good was just stating my experience. Mine was a 2X2 that was 2ft tall built out of 2X4s and chicken wire and once I got the 5 Gal bucket under there it didnt leave much room and I forgot to mention that I had 2 plants in one bucket so that made it more difficult for me to cut the male out.
 
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CascadianDank said:
Yep just chop the tops or take a lower branch and clone them. Once they root flower them and within a couple weeks you will know what they are and if you let em go all the way youll get to sample them before the big plants are done.
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Thanks Cas! I like the "sampling" part the best...:slide:

This is where I found some basic cloning instructions, seems pretty simplistic so I'll give it a go:
How To Clone A Cannabis Plant
 
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Hi Canna, I hope you are having a great weekend. I am really liking what you are doing with your training. Those roots looked perfectly fine to me. You want to look for that white color on new root growth. If some of the roots were spongy/mush and fell apart in your fingers then that would be a sign that they sat in water for too long. The grow setup looks sort of long to me, but it is hard to tell. You want to base the shape on the footprint of the lights you will be using. If the intensity is much greater in the middle, you will get faster growth in that area. Run the lights you have in the area and see how bright it looks throughout. Also check the temps of the screen you made. Metal without a plastic coating on it may heat up a bit too much indoors. If you do end up getting a male, it would be a pain cutting it out one piece at a time, and having to be so careful not to cut the wrong plant or get tangled and cause damage. As far as the lights from underneath pointing up, don't do it. Leaves are like little solar panels that work from overhead light. Light from the sides would work though. I wanted to tell you too that there are heat guns that can measure the temp of the leaves(I feel like you asked about this before, I thought about it but forgot to say so), they use a laser. The closer the leaf temp is to the ambient temp, the easier it is on the plant. If you want some more info on this PM me. I can't wait to see how you end up training these plants. They are looking so cool :) +reps
 
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