Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method

94xjjohn said:
Hi guys & gals, and bless the troops--:Love:
I've been dabbing and building up doses since the day after cinch de mayo. All is going well I think. I'm doing some fat dabs but not a gr. a day yet. Done abt. 6 grs. so far. I don't get high at all, darn it! Not even when I smoke my friends under the table! Oh well...the sacrifices one must make for science.
Waiting now for KleenExtract to arrive to make my first batch of meds myself. Very excited. Out of night meds...smoking the Mazar I'll use to make it with when the alcohol gets here. 100% Indica. Very heavy, acidic, medicinal, and wonderful lights out night night:sleep:
Best to Motoco's and all...:Love:

ps. Feel much weller:jaw dropper:

pps. Motoco, you were right......AC/DC...... .9%THC/19%CBD That's what the dispensary people told me, but I thought (yes, again) that they must have it backwards, but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! (w/ rising, winey voice). I'll mix it in with my sour d and sour d og (harvest in 3 days--mondo buds) for daytime medication (aft dry/cure).
:Namaste:

ppps. New outdoor for oil:

Gorilla Glue #4
Mazar
GDPurp
OG
sour D

Blessed be the little girls.
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A dabber eh? Mazar is an awesome indica. I grew some Darkstar which is Mazar x Purple Kush. It's my night oil.
If you can get AC/DC, you're a lucky man. That is one of the best CBD strains out there. Hard to come by clones/seeds. I've been after that strain for awhile. Way to go.
You've excellent strains lined up. Jump back here if you need help with the oil.

94xjjohn said:
Still up. Night oil = good sleep. No night oil = here, typing!!!
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Ugh, been there done that. No fun. What are you dabbing?
 
So correct me if I am wrong here but I have seen a few mention that they need to get up to a gram a day. This seems highly impossible that anyone can properly tack a gram a day! I have been under the impression that the most one would need, would be about 7 grains of rice worth spread throughout the day. Confusion is starting to set in and I think this would be best cleared up!? :Namaste:
 
SmokesDaKush said:
So correct me if I am wrong here but I have seen a few mention that they need to get up to a gram a day. This seems highly impossible that anyone can properly tack a gram a day! I have been under the impression that the most one would need, would be about 7 grains of rice worth spread throughout the day. Confusion is starting to set in and I think this would be best cleared up!? :Namaste:
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Hey Smokey.
Unfortunately, the daily dosage amount will be a variable for most. I know ppl in remission with almost 3g per day. Not tacking exclusively. And, I know ppl dosing successfully with 250mg only.
My opinion is that it varies with disease as well as the individual's body.
If tacking exclusively, using 5 to 7 grains of rice is about 50mg of medicine.
1g is 1000mg.
Obviously, a big difference.
I feel that you have to find the dose that works for your disease & body.
A general blanket dosage amount, like 1g a day, is not sufficient.
The human EDS is very complex & each person's body, immune system, regulatory system, disease, DNA....are all very different from 1 person to another.
If 7 grains of rice is curing you, you've found the right amount.
The next person may need 3x more (or less) to keep at a treatment level.
It takes about 2 weeks to get it down.
 
Hendo...Maybe we do live close--how do we know?:hmmmm:
 
Yo Cajun,

You're right arm-----you are right on!...:clown:

ps. Don't know exact Sativa I'm dosing with, got it on the interweb from a trusted source. I know. Don't do that! I didn't have the luxury of time. Was in such a hurry, I even paid for overnight shipping! That's right, overnight MMJ oil!!! How cool is that?!!:cheertwo:
 
What-up Smokey:high-five:,

I'm building to 1gr./day because I'm killing fast prostate cancer, and my life depends on it. All the info I get says the cancer cure requires 1gr./day for 60 days minimum. If I can get above that level, I will. And why not? Again, this can't be over stated, MY LIFE DEPENDS ON THIS TREATMENT. Would you have me cut back because it seems like too much, or because it's too expensive? If I die, what was the savings?

Sorry, Smokey. I don't mean to sound down on you, buddy:Love:. I'm just explaining why I'm building my doses up.

:passitleft: faster!
 
94xjjohn said:
Yo Cajun,

You're right arm-----you are right on!...:clown:

ps. Don't know exact Sativa I'm dosing with, got it on the interweb from a trusted source. I know. Don't do that! I didn't have the luxury of time. Was in such a hurry, I even paid for overnight shipping! That's right, overnight MMJ oil!!! How cool is that?!!:cheertwo:
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So, try to lay off the sativa past 6pm?

94xjjohn said:
What-up Smokey:high-five:,

I'm building to 1gr./day because I'm killing fast prostate cancer, and my life depends on it. All the info I get says the cancer cure requires 1gr./day for 60 days minimum. If I can get above that level, I will. And why not? Again, this can't be over stated, MY LIFE DEPENDS ON THIS TREATMENT. Would you have me cut back because it seems like too much, or because it's too expensive? If I die, what was the savings?

Sorry, Smokey. I don't mean to sound down on you, buddy:Love:. I'm just explaining why I'm building my doses up.

:passitleft: faster!
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I believe Smoky is coming from purely tacking. Tacking an entire gram is difficult.

94xjjohn said:
I'll get there, you big bragger!:thumb:
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Oh not bragging. Thankful. And, yep, you'll get there.
I have to mention that flights to Denver are cheap. You can get an ounce of top shelf for $200. plus whatever deals they got. It's not a bad idea of you're needing flowers to make the oil.
 
So tacking is my new favorite thing... Have been reading and thinking about it for ages now but only just finished making my first batch of oil. It's really quite amazing!

I've eaten oil quite a number of times, and gotten super stoned. Reading this thread it was always surprising to read that tacking doesn't get you high. With this batch of oil I just made on Vanilla Kush, I was the test bunny. Ate some the first night just to gauge the strength against others I've had - it's strong. And then night two I did a test tack... Wow! 30 minutes later it felt like a valium kicking in. Not high, just relaxed. Been tacking the last few nights with similar effects. Such a great way to dose.

And my GF who doesn't enjoy being stoned has been able to do a few tacks with no euphoria. Looking forward to making the daytime oil for her now.

I really want to learn more about why/how the oil has the effects it does when tacked.
 
cajuncelt said:
Hey Smokey.
Unfortunately, the daily dosage amount will be a variable for most. I know ppl in remission with almost 3g per day. Not tacking exclusively. And, I know ppl dosing successfully with 250mg only.
My opinion is that it varies with disease as well as the individual's body.
If tacking exclusively, using 5 to 7 grains of rice is about 50mg of medicine.
1g is 1000mg.
Obviously, a big difference.
I feel that you have to find the dose that works for your disease & body.
A general blanket dosage amount, like 1g a day, is not sufficient.
The human EDS is very complex & each person's body, immune system, regulatory system, disease, DNA....are all very different from 1 person to another.
If 7 grains of rice is curing you, you've found the right amount.
The next person may need 3x more (or less) to keep at a treatment level.
It takes about 2 weeks to get it down.
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I guess I was under the impression that tacking was the only discussion as well as the "proper way too heal"! I have been trying this faithful now for a minute :) and when I read these comments it makes me second guess everything I am doing.

I do understand all the factors that can come in to play with all the various individuals and various diseases. I quit going to the doctor a few years ago because my current state combined with personal life just couldn't handle it anymore. I have a needle phobia as well and it seemed like between some form of radiation and that needle, it was all they wanted to do and OMG you ever had your bone hit. Point is I never had answers, they just kept seeing a mass through MRI and CAT scans. It probably didn't help that my insurance wasn't the best either. 7 grains certainly hasn't healed me but it's about the most I can tack in a day with the given absorbtion rate anyhow. My 7 grains is probably a bit more like 8-10 as well as I think I dose a bit more then a grain at a time.

I tried the RSO digesting protocol twice now each being completed within spec. The first one might not count as I had to take occasional breaks to maintain a gram as I thought the high was what told me it was working and I wasn't growing enough to supply that demand at the time. The second time I stayed the course much truer and honestly felt I got worse, I was however vaping nearly 24/7 as well. Now I have a new visible mass that brings with it more pain. All I want is the most accurate information that is going to give me the best chance at taking my life back as I'm sure you understand. I have been tacking since like mid January let's say and I have been on the same routine from day one with a few minor setbacks in tacking here and there. If I should know in two weeks, it seems way past that! Perhaps you can tell me what I am missing or what to look for to know I am at the right dose?

Also I did go back and check the OP and sure enough it does say work up to a gram. (I actually got lost there for a bit on my phone and had to back off) I was quite certain that was since addressed by Motoco but none the less it's in the OP. Hmm, what to do if I can't tack a gram daily...

Thanks for the mg breakdown by the way. :)

94xjjohn said:
What-up Smokey:high-five:,

I'm building to 1gr./day because I'm killing fast prostate cancer, and my life depends on it. All the info I get says the cancer cure requires 1gr./day for 60 days minimum. If I can get above that level, I will. And why not? Again, this can't be over stated, MY LIFE DEPENDS ON THIS TREATMENT. Would you have me cut back because it seems like too much, or because it's too expensive? If I die, what was the savings?

Sorry, Smokey. I don't mean to sound down on you, buddy:Love:. I'm just explaining why I'm building my doses up.

:passitleft: faster!
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I wouldn't have you change anything that you and Motoco have discussed, not my place and your costs don't effect my wallet so again you have no concern from me on anything. :)

You didn't sound down on me at all 94xjjohn! Furthermore you shouldn't have to explain anything to me of all people... :) I'm sorry you have to fight for your life and I wish you all the best on your journey, truly! Now get up to that gram already... :) :Namaste:
 
Hey Smokey,
I understand your confusion. This point is the only one Motoco & I have disagreed on.
I work with patients, caregivers, oncologists, & organizations all based around using cannabis oil as a 1st line treatment. None of which recommend less than 1g a day, unless there's a specific reason not to.
Motoco began by following Rick Simpson & the Phoenix Tears folks who also recommend no less than 1g/day. That's why the very beginning of this thread recommends working up to 1g a day.
Motoco found that using tacking & taking only 50mg of oil made patients better.
Personally, my opinion is that this 50mg is acting like Valium & making the patients feel good/better. It's not that tacking prevents euphoria, it's that the dosage is so low that the body builds up a tolerance quickly. Patients are walking around mildly high, but don't notice it.

Are they cured? Time will tell & hopefully it's not too late. I have tacked consistently for almost a year. It did not cure my cancer, nor get the tumors into remission.
You all need to know that all remissions/cures that I've personally seen, are from patients getting as much oil into them as bioavailable as possible. That again, was a point that Motoco & I bumped heads about.
In my opinion, taking 50mg of anything for a chronic or terminal illness, is just ineffective. I haven't seen a single case of a "cure" by taking that small of a dose.
My own personal belief is that a majority of folks tacking 50mg of oil are going to come to the realization that they have been mildly sedated & feel great, but their disease has been unaffected.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but in the past 4 years I've seen a bunch.

My disease has responded well to suppositories. Not just by me, but Tommy Chong & lots of others. I've said it before but I don't believe a single method, like tacking, is effective for all or even most diseases. Neither is a general dosage whether it's 3g a day or 50mg. It's specific to your body & disease.

To state that a specific method of delivery & dosage works for all or most people, is just contrary to my limited experience. Frankly, I've experienced the opposite.
I'll point out that I just returned from Denver & the World Cannabis Week where there were dozens of this subject's leading experts & all talking about the oil. Not a single one of these folks who have decades of successful experience believed that tacking exclusively nor taking such a small amount was an effective treatment for serious disorders.

I'm not trying to unravel all the previous info. But, I have to be truthful about my experience. Motoco will probably drop by soon & knows my feelings on this & why.
I guess the point is that a person with stage 4 cancer might be made to feel better & even have progress with their disease over a short amount of time. Chemo, surgery, radiation, nutrition, exercise, natural remedies... all can throw a pause on a disease's progression. But... What about 4-5 years down the road? Were they cured? Probably not unfortunately. Did the disease return & with a vengeance? Probably.
That's just my experience. There's no golden unarguable truths. Not yet.
 
There are supplements that add an extra measure of bioavailability that I've posted in the past.
Also, the biggest issue in taking oral capsules is the bioavailability of the capsules. The bioavailability of the CO capsules is horrible.

But... The bioavailability of CO in capsules has far surpassed the issues in the recent past.
I'm kinda fading out now, but please feel free to make any comments/questions. There are a few new methods to make the oil much better by ingesting, including capsules.

I was on the seminar panel with 4 other ppl. Their knowledge of the oil & it's used were mind blowing. One of the people on the panel has changed the game. Her moniker is Bad Kitty.
She has a method that makes cannabinoids immediately active & at 85%-90% strength
I would invite all of you to go to her social media sites, including YouTube.

She uses a protocol that combines cannabis with Budwig Diet. It's called the Canna Budwig protocol.
Google her & get an idea of what I'm pointing to.
 
What are some good daytime strains that provides a positive outlook on things?
I'm using a 100% indica oil (strain??) that is sure making me sleepy and unmotivated. I think I need something during the day to counter this a bit.
I'm starting to grow Vanilla Kush as my high THC variety. I also got some critical mass and shark shock for high CBD strains - although I don't think these seeds are germinating. All of these three are mostly indica. I think I need some sativa or a mix for the day?
 
jonapete said:
What are some good daytime strains that provides a positive outlook on things?
I'm using a 100% indica oil (strain??) that is sure making me sleepy and unmotivated. I think I need something during the day to counter this a bit.
I'm starting to grow Vanilla Kush as my high THC variety. I also got some critical mass and shark shock for high CBD strains - although I don't think these seeds are germinating. All of these three are mostly indica. I think I need some sativa or a mix for the day?
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Hi jonapete - you've answered your own question - for a daytime oil you want a sativa or at least a sativa-dominant hybrid.

I'm sure others will have many reccomendations - but some good strains for daytime are Blue Dream, AK47, Sour Diesel or Gorilla Glue.

Good luck - you've come to the right place to find answers.

Hendo
 
jonapete said:
What are some good daytime strains that provides a positive outlook on things?
I'm using a 100% indica oil (strain??) that is sure making me sleepy and unmotivated. I think I need something during the day to counter this a bit.
I'm starting to grow Vanilla Kush as my high THC variety. I also got some critical mass and shark shock for high CBD strains - although I don't think these seeds are germinating. All of these three are mostly indica. I think I need some sativa or a mix for the day?
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For a sativa with mood& uplifting effects, I'd recommend most Hazes. Also, Cinderella 99.
The Vanilla Kush you have is an indica, but not a hardcore one. I grew some last year & still have an afternoon oil from it. Great taste
 
Hi guys,

Just briefly on my dosing protocol. About the gram of day smeal. When I first started this thread I had to go off of a gram a day like everyone else. With local patients when they got to around a 1/2 of gram to 3/4 gram of oil they started getting nauseous ect, sloppy dosing (losing control of their dose). If you tack correctly first you can take a good size amount and still not get stoned. I have not known one person with aliments (serious) that has felt better digesting oil, in fact worst. These were stage 4 cancer patients. One lung, two prostate mets (in fact it seems we have helped so many they just become a blur). They have all been cleared still doing their PM dose. One other thing cajun and I disagree on just a tad, lol, is what I think how the oil kills cancer and what western med thinks on cancer is two different things. Just my opinion or perhaps the way we think. With chemo/radiation the side effect is cancer. When treated with the oil, it completely kills the cancer cell also only the side effect is not chemo. Guess the results will be in 3 more years. Also keep in mind Western Medicine stats on chemo/radiation is just that, they know nothing much about the oil and even if they did they cannot speak much about it. Lastly, there is much much more to be learned about the oil and it seems to expand more every day. cajun has expansive knowledge on other methods as he has tried them in the past for quite some time and this is not to offend anyone, but in the scope of time only about 6 months (don't know his exact protocol now if its a combo, etc) tacking. When someone has a major ailment like cancer, especially late stage their mindset has a ton of anxiety, ect. compared to someone who doesn't. Point being the person not under severe anxiety can learn more at a quicker pace especially with other oilheads to converse with as well as notes/input from their patients. I'm learning other methods for certain types of cancers but no matter what the application I always 'tack' first before the other ones, if I couldn't it would be the anal mucous gland. All in all the progressive learning goes on. I'm sure someday people will look back on these threads and laugh as we will have dosing ports, etc. :)

We learn...
 
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