Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method

[420 Motoco]

Quote Originally Posted by bjax View Post
Thanks for your response. I realized after I submitted post that I posted to the wrong area. Sorry. To answer your questions. By the way the oil affected me when I was dosing orally, I'd say it's Indica and I should change to Sativa for daytime usage. I dose once in the am and once in the pm rectally. I'm still working my way up to the recommended dosage and by the fact I don't get stoned, I should be able to do this pretty quickly. When I was ingesting it, I didn't and don't believe I could ever reach the 1 gram/day dosage. Yes, I'm currently taking Creon as digestive enzymes, but my remaining pancreas is beginning to compensate for the Whipple procedure and I'm reducing my Creon intake. The cancer I had was a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor. Think Steve Jobs. There was no evidence of disease at time of surgery, but now I have liver mets. I will try the tacking and hopefully that will work, but I want to ask, since the oil is being absorbed directly into the bloodstream and by-passing the liver initially, how does that affect the medicinal benefits of the oil on the liver lesions? Because these are liver mets and the liver is usually the first pass thru for things ingested, it may seem that I should be doing this differently in order to get the most benefit.?? I've tried to research the bioavailability of ingesting vs suppositories and there's so much conflicting information that my head begins to swim. Thanks.

Hi bjax,

There is a lot of conflicting information to be sure. Think you found a great site to get unconfused. If you wouldn't mind I'll C&P this and move it to the main dosing thread to keep things better organized. Also we are finding out that that gum absorption/tacking protocol and bioavailability of ingesting/suppositories can come together as a perfect marriage. I don't think many subscribe to this thread. Just briefly; as mentioned, getting the oil to your CB1 receptors first keeps the body regulated so there is no high regardless of what protocol you use. Not only no high but your body is regulated in many ways. cajuncelt is using this combined dosing regimen as we speak. His expertise on bioavailability digesting and suppositories and my wife and I studies on gum absorption/tacking protocols are coming together rapidly and we are both excited how our combined knowledge is all coming together to end a lot of confusion. Yes, it is already out there but the pieces of the puzzle has been vague to say the least. We have learned this mostly on our own as we continue to gain knowledge, share this information to end the confusion so people can heal themselves with confidence instead of confusion. I cannot speak for cajuncelt but the pieces of the puzzle to help others in my opinion are there. We have much more to learn exactly how what does what. For me personally the wife and I are learning the 'power' of the brain when its activated with cannabinoids in the CB1 receptors first. Ailments get fixed before the brain gets woken up as your brain gets its CPU repaired. So much knowledge comes pouring in it's flat out amazing. Enough on this right now. canjuncelt should pipe in when he see's this thread as mentioned he is using combined protocol exactly what your going through. I'm still on light duty getting things organized on the home front as well as some much needed R&R and a ton of other things.

Cheers
Motoco

 

[420 Motoco]

I understand the retraining and have done so, still doing so, accept the fact that I will need to throughout life, really I get that! I eat, I hydrate (probably a little too much), I exercise when able, I stay physical when able, none of that is an issue and I have never stated such! Even when I couldn't use my arm I was still active around the house. I looked pathetic but I did what i could. No apologies are needed, I just simply was trying to figure out if I need to do something more because all I can tack in a single day is approximately 8-10 grains worth of oil, I simply can't absorb any more unless I get sloppy. Trying to research the avenues and get some answers so I don't throw away everything I have been working on, again clearly stated! I also don't want to end up like before or change my current dose in fear of a sudden lack of or potency change, you all have mentioned what happens then. It's not that I want to take more, if anything I would prefer to take less so that I am not limited to what I can do. I really think your taking my writings the wrong way, looking back, sure maybe I should have left the summer comment out but I thought I said it in a rather nice way. Sure I probably have a little anxiety, doesn't everybody, I thought I was pretty clear that some emotions where being toyed with, a little desperation more then anything. Perhaps I needed to add the appropriate set of smiley's to help convey. Maybe it's the oil making me not care but in all honesty I feel a little stupid for posting anything now! I feel my last few posts practically had disclaimers in them, none the less. I think I need to back down from this a bit before I do get anxiety, nothing will fuel me faster then someone telling me how I am being when I've clearly stated it and I'm living through it, just being real.

Apparently things are getting out of context Smokes. Only trying to help you get through all this. Everyones system is different. I've posted this many times. This is why I posted examples of locals not being able to do more than a half of gram a day and they healed fine. They got to the same conclusion you have Smokes. Their system simply didn't want more oil. I never was under the impression I was telling you how to feel but simply sharing other people's experience we have helped with severe anxieties. Certainly don't want things worse for you Smokes. I would SUGGEST to get a blood work up done to see exactly what is going on for peace of mind. Keep in mind you are the one that kept asking if you should press your dosage up, even though it seemed you were doing well/improving. Nothing more to say now as it seems it won't help. You know I'm here for you Smokes

Keep it real.

 

[94xjjohn]

Smokey, you sound strong. I like it. Power up! If you can tack 8-10 grains, that's enough to add in other protocols. Cajun tells us how.
can't find an emoticon for suppositories!

 

[94xjjohn]

Sorry I missed yesterdays' postings, but I was so sick, I thought I was going to die right then. Twelve really bad hours. Thank God that's over, at least for now. I had thought I was pretty used to being nauseous and could function well with it, but nooooooo. Couldn't eat, drink, tack, or smoke! Back hurt from too long in bed, couldn't take my back meds. Rolling and moaning. Know what I mean? Hope you don't, know you do.
I feel rung out today, but back on the mend.
Kleen Extract arrived yesterday, new oil tomorrow! Looking forward to night tack and a good nights sleep.


And thank you all.

 

[94xjjohn]

Good to see you posting strong, Motoco.

Did you get those coffee filters yet?

 

[420 Motoco]

Good to see you posting strong, Motoco.

Did you get those coffee filters yet?

Thanks John, no I haven't got the filters yet. Going to use up what I have. Next thing on my list Brother. What happen to you? Nauseous untreated is not good. Sounds like more oil drained down then should of. One has to really pay attention to tacking with issues like this, its hard to focus because of all the side effects. Keep in mind next time when this happens to make sure to do a clean tack first. Perhaps too much oil too soon?. You will learn Brother, just a bump in the road. I'm still recuperating from exhaustion while knocking down priorities. Just wanted to help sort some things out first. Let people know I'm on the DL list, hopefully cajun can help out more (Brother cajun needs a laptop and it is extremely hard for him to answer questions texting). We have resolve and things can move forward in a positive direction. It's been a long grind online. Much easier in our local community.

Peace to all!

 

[94xjjohn]

Hey Motoco, I didn't mean to suggest my sickyness had anything to do w/ the oil. I think (look out now) I just ate something that didn't like being inside me! The oil seems to give me a good appetite, so i've been eating everything in sight. I'm tacking just fine, thank you very much. No slop, no high, no euphoria, no ill effect at all that I can tell. Yes, it might be toxins or sloppy tacking (not). It felt familiar, not a new type sicky. Does that make sense?

Do we have an archive of vomitness? Gross...


All returns to wellness and humor. Please don't be offended.

ps. Just picked up some Purple Creeper (?)(100% indica) to mix w/ mazar for nighty-night and Sour D & Chocolate D to mix w/ ac/dc for daytime uppy-puppy. Love,out.

 

[94xjjohn]

I love that... "uppy-puppy". Did I hear that or dream it up? The oil made me say it!!!

 

[420 Motoco]

Thanks for the updated info and clarification on why you felt sick. Most things get put on the oil, so when the reason isn't specified I have muscle memory also A lot to do with all the time on the forums and neglecting other things. I had a really hard time coming back after my brief R&R and realize what else could I do that I already haven't written? We have covered everything we can think of. Your a smart man and the concentrate will take that to another level. Study what the oil can do to your body and mind via tacking. Learn how it can control your mind and body regardless of what protocol different cancers can have just by activating your CB1 first. Think of what the oil does that is not absorbed via the gums, where does it go and what does it do? The oil will teach you that you can control your mind instead of the other way around. Bottom line is it is fascinating in all it does. It will take you to the next level in your journey of health and knowledge.

I've came to the conclusion there are things on my plate I have to take care of and as much as we love to help people we have to help ourselves now. When givers have nothing left to give we get depressed as hell, lol. Helping others will never stop its in our blood. But we also know we have to take care of ourselves in order to keep helping others. There is a change of guard coming and I'm happy about that so folks can keep healing on 420 so people do not have to search the earth to heal/maintain themselves naturally, the way it was intended. Man-made meds created most of our issues besides not taking care of ourselves. Nothing better on earth can take care of a person's wellness than the concentrated oil. We will stop in and say hi to the many friends we have made here on 420 Magazine and those that know me on a more personal level, you know who you are; we are here for you always and have a bond. I leave in good spirits with a lot accomplished between Mo and I. Most of everything is in a few threads and hopefully some day people will realize just how much is there . Again, nothing to do with anything other than we have to get our lives back on track. This in no way affects those being helped! Don't go there, lol. Some are close to the end of their healing but also people Mo and I consider good friends.

God Bless to all!

Tim & Mo

 

[420 Motoco]

Hey Motoco, I didn't mean to suggest my sickyness had anything to do w/ the oil. I think (look out now) I just ate something that didn't like being inside me! The oil seems to give me a good appetite, so i've been eating everything in sight. I'm tacking just fine, thank you very much. No slop, no high, no euphoria, no ill effect at all that I can tell. Yes, it might be toxins or sloppy tacking (not). It felt familiar, not a new type sicky. Does that make sense?

Do we have an archive of vomitness? Gross...


All returns to wellness and humor. Please don't be offended.

ps. Just picked up some Purple Creeper (?)(100% indica) to mix w/ mazar for nighty-night and Sour D & Chocolate D to mix w/ ac/dc for daytime uppy-puppy. Love,out.

Nice strains Brother! Look out, here comes John! lol. I'm never offended by you Brother! Or by anyone else, I've been cussed at too many times, hahahaha. Cheers Friend!! Oh and make sure you know how potent your CBD is for mixing in your daytime oil. If it is over 13%-16% CBD you might want to consider a 3-1 ratio instead of a 2-1 ratio. If the ratio of CBD is too high it makes the THC less effective for cancer(my opinion). No cancer? No worries on other ailments depending on the ailment.

 

[SAMtheAPman]

Mix 5g of Citicoline in about 8oz of lemon water 1 hour prior to taking the oil. Take it each time prior to the oil dosage.
There will be no panic, heart racing, etc., nor any euphoria...

Hi Cajun. Just wanted to double-check this dosing of Citicoline is correct? I've been reading that "regular" does are only 250-500mg. My GF got high from a tack and the 911 tack didn't seem to help her come down so just want to help minimize this happening.

I think that the reason she got high was that the oil was still on her gum 45 min after tacking. And then she ate. Can it take this long to absorb? Should we be checking the gum prior to eating (even if it has been over 30min) to make sure the oil is gone?

Thanks.

 

[CajunCelt]

Hi Cajun. Just wanted to double-check this dosing of Citicoline is correct? I've been reading that "regular" does are only 250-500mg. My GF got high from a tack and the 911 tack didn't seem to help her come down so just want to help minimize this happening.

I think that the reason she got high was that the oil was still on her gum 45 min after tacking. And then she ate. Can it take this long to absorb? Should we be checking the gum prior to eating (even if it has been over 30min) to make sure the oil is gone?

Thanks.

Hey Sam.
The 250-500mg dose is usually for ppl treating cognitive function issues.
To keep from any euphoria from higher doses of cannabis, 2000-5000mg (2-5g) are what's usually recommended.

I'll say that the use of citicoline is becoming more known/used especially with more non-cannabis ppl using CO. The majority of patients taking citicoline are ingesting the immersion dose of the oil, 1g a day.

I would suggest perfecting tacking first though. It sounds like she's sensitive to THC with no built up tolerance.
Eating 30 mins prior to the oil helps keep the liver & enzymes "busy" so the THC ∆9 is not converted to ∆11 as well as stays in your system longer. Have her eat a long chain fat such as olive oil, about 1/2 tblspn. This will help too.
Brush teeth after meal. She'll definitely react if there's oil even after 45 mins.
I was going into a meeting in the morning once. I had tacked at least an hour prior, but was sloppy so I scraped the extra oil on the back of my teeth. HUGE mistake. It was no fun.
Use very small doses, careful not to ingest for at least 3-4 days. At that point, she should have built a little tolerance up with minimal euphoria.

If no bueno, the citicoline option is there. You can start at a small dose, I wouldn't take less than 1g of citicoline.

Good luck Sam

 

[bjax]

Hi Cajun. I'm new to this site so please forgive me if I sound a bit uneducated. I had a primary pancreas tumor removed, neuroendocrine tumor, and at the time had no further evidence of disease. A short year later and I now have liver mets. Right at the beginning of your post you said you 'don't use coconut oil due to this (gets to portal vein better) but it's perfect for the liver.'

But somewhere in your post I got confused. You said "Unlike other fatty acids, MCFAs are absorbed directly from the intestines into the portal vein and sent straight to the liver. (Longer fatty acids are absorbed into the lymphatic system) that's why we don't use coconut oil.'

I'm just trying to make sure I'm doing the right thing for myself. I'm using cannabis oil infused with coconut oil, about 50/50, and am making suppositories. I have no euphoria doing it this way and function completely. I'm trying to tack, but not successful yet. Anyhow, I'm again questioning whether, based on your entire post, coconut oil and suppositories are the way to go. Thanks, Cajun or anyone else who has some words of wisdom.

 

[CajunCelt]

Bjax,
For the liver, coconut oil is your best carrier. As posted earlier, olive oil or grape seed is best except when the liver is the site you want to treat.
Using a medium chain fat like coconut oil allows the oil to get to the liver fastest & most complete.
For suppositories, a good ratio is 1/2g CO to 2g of coconut oil or (I use coco butter , it's thicker).
This will give you (2) 2.5g suppositories for daily dosage.

I'd suggest tacking orally or buttoms up at least 15 mins prior to the suppository.
If tacking from the other end, insert only up to 2nd knuckle. Do not insert past the anus/sphincter. So, only about 3".

Not sexy, but very effective.

 

[bjax]

Thanks Cajun. Good to know coconut oil is the one to use. And WOW, that's a lot of coconut oil. I hope this protocol is working for you. My next MRI is scheduled for August so I won't know anything for sure until then. Here's to believing.

 

[SAMtheAPman]

Great, thanks.

Thinking of trying out the suppositories too.

 

[fghtsmallcell]

Hello everyone. I am so very sorry that I have not been around. I am spending most of my time at my dad's taking care of his wife. She is in the end stage of ovarian cancer. They did not want to try the oil. It might have been too late anyway because she has a bowel obstruction and cannot eat. Her only nutrition is IV TPN and hospice does not give enough to sustain life. She is suffering with nausea, vomiting and uncontrolled pain. Hospice has really dropped the ball on this. I have raised enough heck with them that now they have her just pretty much knocked out all the time.

Anyway, about myself and my husband. My CBD strain of mango Haze is almost there. I will start flushing in a couple of days. That will give the plants a total of 12 weeks of flower. I can't wait. It has been hard to be patient. lol I also have bought some more seeds so we should be set with everything we need from here on out. I will be back soon and try to get caught up and try to help out here. I miss all of you and I see we have some new members.

MO, sorry to here about you exhaustion. Please take care of yourself. I know that is easier said than done. I am exhausted also and have not had the time to stop. I'm exhausted physically and emotionally.

 

[CajunCelt]

Hi FSC, you're very much missed. I hope you've done comfort through all this.
Strength & love to you & all of yours.

 

[CajunCelt]

Thanks Cajun. Good to know coconut oil is the one to use. And WOW, that's a lot of coconut oil. I hope this protocol is working for you. My next MRI is scheduled for August so I won't know anything for sure until then. Here's to believing.

Try the coco butter too when you get a chance. The consistency is better for suppositories.
Good luck on the MRI. I hate waiting.
When I decided to quit chemo, my oncologist at the time fired me as a patient & told me to get a general practitioner. No chemo... no help.
So, going on the oil 100% is still spooky when I'm in lots of pain or other symptoms show up.
Hang in there...

 

[Hiker]

Hello all. Hope all is well.

Haven't been around much lately. Life has us busy.

Anyone have ideas or suggestions when the oil doesn't want to stick to the gums?

My wife has been complaining that her daytime oil does not stick to her gums, but her nighttime is fine.
They are obviously different strains, but I used the same process to make them.
Would it make a big difference if I didn't add the few drops of water at the end? I seem to recall wondering if I had done it during one batch. Maybe it was this problem daytime oil.

I've got more material, so I can make her more. She wants to try and use this up though. Any ideas?

I was going to post this on the how to dose thread (and am happy to move the question), but I think the problems isn't her tacking, but how I made the oil.

Has anyone else noticed that the oils from different strains have different consistencies?