Cafe Racer Outdoor And Indoor, Perpetual Grow

[Azimuth]

Interesting that they say 'earthworm' castings since earthworms typically are a deeper living worm, don't breed as fast and don't make as many castings so aren't as commercially viable.

Most commercial operations that I'm aware of use either pure red worms (red wigglers that are a composting worm and surface dweller) or a combination of them plus something like a European night crawler which is a deeper living worm in beds that are deeper.

Maybe it's just a mislabeled marketing thing calling them earthworms but the castings are all probably about the same.

 

[scottreid1966]

Interesting that they say 'earthworm' castings since earthworms typically are a deeper living worm, don't breed as fast and don't make as many castings so aren't as commercially viable.

Most commercial operations that I'm aware of use either pure red worms (red wigglers that are a composting worm and surface dweller) or a combination of them plus something like a European night crawler which is a deeper living worm in beds that are deeper.

Maybe it's just a mislabeled marketing thing calling them earthworms but the castings are all probably about the same.

That is definitly food for thought, Azi! I would think that the deeper castings would be more potent. Otherwise; Why dig deeper unless it is profitable.

My query is about the best application for it.
Mix it with the soil, top dress or both?
No matter what...worm poop is good. N'est-ce pas?

Still learning. A tad flabbergasting. Yet its a joyeus endevour.

Thanks for the come-back. Have a great evening.
Cheers

 

[Azimuth]

That is definitly food for thought, Azi! I would think that the deeper castings would be more potent. Otherwise; Why dig deeper unless it is profitable.

My query is about the best application for it.
Mix it with the soil, top dress or both?
No matter what...worm poop is good. N'est-ce pas?

Still learning. A tad flabbergasting. Yet its a joyeus endevour.

Thanks for the come-back. Have a great evening.
Cheers

You can both mix it in with soil as well as top dress.

Also,

- dilute some in declorinated water when you water your plants

- soak your seeds in diluted castings it to inoculate them before planting and then pour that water over the seed bed after you plant the seeds to help ward off damping off disease (which is a fungus that the microbes in the castings with help defeat)

- use it to make JMS to both spray and water your plants

Good castings are very good for your garden.

 

[scottreid1966]

You can both mix it in with soil as well as top dress.

Also,

- dilute some in declorinated water when you water your plants

- soak your seeds in diluted castings it to inoculate them before planting and then pour that water over the seed bed after you plant the seeds to help ward off damping off disease (which is a fungus that the microbes in the castings with help defeat)

- use it to make JMS to both spray and water your plants

Good castings are very good for your garden.

Another fabulous piece of advice, Azi!
Both my girlfriend, the gardener, and myself are in your debt.

 

[scottreid1966]

Good afternoon my friends. Hope your weekend weather was as glorious as mine.

So my plants are 97 days old now. Thanks to Azi, I was able to save the sickly clones by putting them into well-lit kitchen but no direct sunlight. Not exactly the advice given but in the neighborhood. Just gave 3 healthy clones to to an unlucky lady who has given some to me a few years back before I started indoor. Nice to pay it forward.

The mother bonzai and my recent dyno-clone seem healthy enough. I can start training them for mom and quad.

The 2 older clones are to be up-potted into 1.5 litres using Bill284 method but will be spritzed with Azi's worm casting tea I have started to make today.

On the left one, There is on quite smaller up front then its counter part in back. Gave the long on a pinch and put the shortest one closest to the light. They share the room with Hannan, the smallest of my 3 indoor.

Yet Eve and Deidre, downstairs are coming along nicely in the bigger pots filling the room nicely. They are a 10-12 week photo and am wondering if I should flower them soon. I need to guess two weeks before they will flower outside. Or I am going to be swamped when my 4 outside are ready.

Deidre

Eve

Gotta keep a close eye on the outdoors. Not strong enough for the size verus a good rainstrm. Have a good one gents.
Cheers.

 

[Danishoes21]

Clones look really good. It takes some time to get them going but once they take off its all good. Man your indoors are looking huge too.

Awesome work.

 

[scottreid1966]

Clones look really good. It takes some time to get them going but once they take off its all good. Man your indoors are looking huge too.

Awesome work.

Thanks alot bro! I wish my outdoors where as well trained as yours. As I suspected, put them out too early and will learn off it.
As for the indoors, they are 18- 22 inches high. My clones will probably be ready for the flowering space in 3 months. Will keep the best two. This IS my first attempt with a perpetual grow and I DO need to flower a bit ahead of the outsides.
I am pretty sure that they flower early August. Never had the passion to remember such details until I joined the @420magazine.
So what do you think, bro? Give them 2 weeks and shut the lights? @Azimuth grows exclusively indoors. What do you think, my favorite microbial/ organic friend?
Cheers!

 

[scottreid1966]

On the left one, There is on quite smaller up front then its counter part in back. Gave the long on a pinch and put the shortest one closest to the light. They share the room with Hannan, the smallest of my 3 indoor.

OK... So the small branch isn't catching up to its counter

I ask you; Should I turn it away from the light instead? First time quading clones and the alternating branches are new to me.
Didn't @Hafta quad clones on his grow?

Cheers

 

[Azimuth]

You have to bend the top branch  lower than the next one down to get the hormones to shift. Once they're equal you can keep them that way the best you can.

 

[scottreid1966]

You have to bend the top branch  lower than the next one down to get the hormones to shift. Once they're equal you can keep them that way the best you can.

I understand the height training, Azi. Thank you
I don't understand why the top-branch is only about 3 inches long and the opposing branch is well over 4 inches long.
My original question was how to slow the longer branch from stretching outside the pot while allowing its opposing branch to catch up in length, creating a more even canopy in the long run.
I have been squeezing the longer branch to slow its growth to no avail.

It is why I asked about the distance to the light.
Should I rotate the little branch closer to center of light or on the farther side to cause a stretch? I keep on rotating 180 degrees each day.

This is my first indoor clone effort with the 420 knowledge and would like my 4 main branches to be even in both height and lenght.
Cheers

and thanks.

 

[Danishoes21]

I understand the height training, Azi. Thank you
I don't understand why the top-branch is only about 3 inches long and the opposing branch is well over 4 inches long.
My original question was how to slow the longer branch from stretching outside the pot while allowing its opposing branch to catch up in length, creating a more even canopy in the long run.
I have been squeezing the longer branch to slow its growth to no avail.

It is why I asked about the distance to the light.
Should I rotate the little branch closer to center of light or on the farther side to cause a stretch? I keep on rotating 180 degrees each day.

This is my first indoor clone effort with the 420 knowledge and would like my 4 main branches to be even in both height and lenght.
Cheers

and thanks.

Hey that sure does looks like a quadline. Im no expert on that style but I would believe you tie up every main branch so that they grow almost at the same pace.

think so

 

[scottreid1966]

Hey that sure does looks like a quadline. Im no expert on that style but I would believe you tie up every main branch so that they grow almost at the same pace.

think so

Doing that with weights/nuts and fuzzy pipe cleaners. Has nothing to do with the speed of growth. The branches should be growing fairly at the same rate but not in this particular case. Read that pinching stem hinders but, as I said. Not effective.

 

[Danishoes21]

Try a more aggressive approach to the branches that are taller. I bend/break the branches that take off to high and let the small ones take more growth hormones. In 24hrs the tops rearrange back to the light source direction.

 

[scottreid1966]

Try a more aggressive approach to the branches that are taller. I bend/break the branches that take off to high and let the small ones take more growth hormones. In 24hrs the tops rearrange back to the light source direction.

I up-potted it yesterday using Bill284 method. Since it got bigger I can see why that side is stunted in length.
It actually has two branches coming out the same spot like a "V". That would explain why its only growing half as much. So it is presently a quintline I guess.

Candice, the one that split seems to be mending well. Both she, Fiona and my other 2, Julie and Ida seemed to have benefitted from Azi's dandelion tea. The branches definitely got stronger.

Julie and Ida

Have a great week-end, my friends.
Cheers!

PS. So awesome that my previos grows only had one thick trunk. Now I have 4 trunks almost as thick.
Loving it!

 

[Danishoes21]

Awesome growth brother. the plants are thriving

We cant even see the fence anymore, hope the neighbour is still chill.


keep doing what you doing!

 

[scottreid1966]

Oh BOY!!
These outside quads are becoming a real challenge. Another main branch snapped and needed a quick repair. Another thunderstorm tomorrow with big gusts of wind. I really needed to stabilize the 2 older ones by the fence. Had free time at work so I bents some metal. Made 4 posts for each, right angle bend and made two ,2x2 foot frames with holes drilled. A so-called scrog without the interwining strings.

Will do the same with the other two planted outside 4 weeks later this week-end. For now, in hopes its ok, I spiked them untill I can scrog them.

Crossing fingers for tomorrows' storm.

I guess its live and learn, my friends. I know that I will lose a few lower branches but they should not have been there in the first place. Have learned a lot yet experience will help me in next years outdoor grow. Inside quads are fabulous, outdoors are a challenge.

Question; If I see that my repaired, snapped branch doesn't feed. Can it be chopped and saved to flower? Otherwise, I may have lost an ounce of yield.

No chats today. I guess its too hot for gardening. Sweat my nuts off having to do what I did after work!
Have a good one!
Cheers!

 

[Azimuth]

Question; If I see that my repaired, snapped branch doesn't feed. Can it be chopped and saved to flower?

Not sure I follow what you're asking.

 

[Danishoes21]

Oh BOY!!
These outside quads are becoming a real challenge. Another main branch snapped and needed a quick repair. Another thunderstorm tomorrow with big gusts of wind. I really needed to stabilize the 2 older ones by the fence. Had free time at work so I bents some metal. Made 4 posts for each, right angle bend and made two ,2x2 foot frames with holes drilled. A so-called scrog without the interwining strings.

Will do the same with the other two planted outside 4 weeks later this week-end. For now, in hopes its ok, I spiked them untill I can scrog them.

Crossing fingers for tomorrows' storm.

I guess its live and learn, my friends. I know that I will lose a few lower branches but they should not have been there in the first place. Have learned a lot yet experience will help me in next years outdoor grow. Inside quads are fabulous, outdoors are a challenge.

Question; If I see that my repaired, snapped branch doesn't feed. Can it be chopped and saved to flower? Otherwise, I may have lost an ounce of yield.

No chats today. I guess its too hot for gardening. Sweat my nuts off having to do what I did after work!
Have a good one!
Cheers!

Good move on getting the supports before the storm.

I’ve broken a lot of branches on purpose and a wilted branch is a sign it won’t heal; they end up in dehydration and never recover. If you manage to keep that branch attached long enough she will heal.

Plants are looking awesome, keep them safe

 

[scottreid1966]

Good move on getting the supports before the storm.

I’ve broken a lot of branches on purpose and a wilted branch is a sign it won’t heal; they end up in dehydration and never recover. If you manage to keep that branch attached long enough she will heal.

Plants are looking awesome, keep them safe

Well, my good friend. So far so good. No wilting and will be doing the same to the other two smaller ones.
I just may have saved it after-all. YAY!

 

[scottreid1966]

Not sure I follow what you're asking.

Hi Azi! basically I was wondering if a branch so thick could be saved if it was totally severred from the trunk.
I doubt it but needed to ask, avoiding a loss of a potential ounce.