Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

WheeloFortune said:
hey bux,

if you break them, its not the end of the world, and yeah they should still be able to feed and grow even after they're broken. . . I've done it a bunch both on pupose and on accident.

the thing is your already pretty deep into flowering, and if you break the stems it might take a week or two for the top to recover, and will put some decent stress on her. In veg this is perfectly fine, but in flower it will definitely hurt your bottom line as far as yield goes.

every plant and every strain has different characteristics, and according to environment too, they will all behave slightly different. so i can't really tell you how far you can bend before she will break. . . my guess is that you could probably pull them down far enough to get the tops close to 90*, or parallel to the ground without breaking the inside of the stem. . . don't try to get it to make a hard 90* turn in the stem, just let the branch make a big arc like a quarter of a circle.

do it to one branch, go kinda slow, and if it breaks then you should know exactly how far you can go with the others, if you get to a 90* turn without it breaking, go with that for all of them.

this would be the solution with the least amount of stress, and the most benefits for you at this stage of your grow (IMHO of course)

how come the name of your journal went from 252w to 126w? your still using both lights right? I can't believe how many LED journals are starting up here, the plethora of info is really helpful. thanks bro.
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Thanks for the ideas. I am going to attempt to arc the one that needs it like you suggest tomorrow when the lights go back on. When I started this grow I only had 1 LED panel in the tent. Around day 25 I crammed another one in there. Its good to see a lot of LED journals it helps the technology and hopefully will help weed out any weak products.
 
re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

Just to give you another perspective on training and how resilient these plants can be check out the "achilles cut" method described by flurple. I'm not recommending this for your situation - its just good to know that these plants can handle a lot of damage and somehow manage to repair themselves. In fact you could even cut a branch off and re-graft it to the plant.

Obviously in flower it is better to LST them if you can so the plant does not take too much stress. I find when training using LST you do not have to bend them all the way in one session. About a day after you bend them and tie them down they will relax into their new position. At that point you can bend them a little further. Also, try to arrange it so your training happens before they are watered, since they will tend to be more flexible with less turgor pressure. So you can do this over many days and tie them up like a pretzel if you want. Hmm pretzel shaped buds would be kinda cool!
 
Re: Day 39 @ 12/12

WarBux79 said:
Mid Week Update.

Day 39 @ 12/12

I had to remove 2 gallons of water and replace with fresh water to lower the TDS ppm some. My TDS was @ 1800 ppm from 1500 ppm last Thursday. The PH problem is fixed and I believe that has fixed the Cal def. If you look close you can see some of the tips curling down. The leaves that are curling down were the ones that were showing the most signs of Cal def during my PH crisis.


As you can see I am out of room on the left.
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fat ass stem u got there WB79. :goodjob: bro
 
re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

WarBux79 said:
Really, thats great news! When you bent them they broke but were able to keep growing? Do you have any pics of the area that broke?
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Here's one of the stems. The part below the bend was horizontal after I bent it over, and the bend in the pic was made by the plant when the top turned up to the light. I.e. it was a straight branch bent over and lying horizontal.
The whole branch eventually raised to the angle it's now showing.

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re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

Last night I performed an experiment to help me determine why the PH was falling during lights out. Instead of having it vent all night long I allowed it to vent all of the air out several times (to remove any built up CO2) and then adjusted the CHHC1 to vent the air out only when it reached 70% RH. This morning when I checked the PH it dropped but only by .5 instead of by 1.0. This experiment leads me to believe that it was not a Co2 buildup that was dropping the PH at night but instead it has to do with humidity being too high. I figure the PH drop must have something to do with the amount of water the plants drink during lights out. As much as I would like to find the exact cause I really hate to allow the plants to drop the PH that much at night. After all that is the reason I am fighting a Cal def. The Cal def still worries me. I think it was caused by PH locking out Cal but its hard to tell if its spreading because it had started on a lot of leaves before I was able to correct it.




Bolivar said:
Here's one of the stems. The part below the bend was horizontal after I bent it over, and the bend in the pic was made by the plant when the top turned up to the light. I.e. it was a straight branch bent over and lying horizontal.
The whole branch eventually raised to the angle it's now showing.
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Wow, thats sweet. Thanks for the pic. If it comes down to it I will do this on mine.

scumbragger said:
If you break branches or anything you can use a strong tape like a metal tape and tape them back together.
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I wish I could regenerate like that haha. I think I found a way to train the bud thats getting too high without risking a break in the first place. I am going to train it so that its between the lights and it will need to bend back the other way to grow towards the light again. I think it should buy me enough time.

slimm said:
Just to give you another perspective on training and how resilient these plants can be check out the "achilles cut" method described by flurple. I'm not recommending this for your situation - its just good to know that these plants can handle a lot of damage and somehow manage to repair themselves. In fact you could even cut a branch off and re-graft it to the plant.

Obviously in flower it is better to LST them if you can so the plant does not take too much stress. I find when training using LST you do not have to bend them all the way in one session. About a day after you bend them and tie them down they will relax into their new position. At that point you can bend them a little further. Also, try to arrange it so your training happens before they are watered, since they will tend to be more flexible with less turgor pressure. So you can do this over many days and tie them up like a pretzel if you want. Hmm pretzel shaped buds would be kinda cool!
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I like that a lot. Thanks for posting the link. If it comes down to it I will perform this cut instead of actually snapping the stem like he suggests. I hope I will be able to get by with just an LST method like I am currently doing. If it doesnt work this is the next step. :thanks:
 
re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

WarBux79 said:
BAM!

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now if you can do this under your LED's i'll be truly impressed. more so than i already am, and that is impressive indeed.
 
re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

wow thats huge! Is that using only LEDs? fantastic
 
re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

irishboy said:
is it a 400w or 600w?
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Its hard to say... This is like one of those mythical buds from a strain only whispered about in the back room of coffee shops, 1 in every 4 kitchens in northen Cal and on the tour buses of rock stars. A cola so big that theres no way in hell I or anyone else grew it, said cola just all of a sudden came in to existence sent down to earth for one reason only. To make you say damn thats one nice effing cola. HEHE Im :bong I would be lying if I claimed that cola to be my coloa.
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re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

hi Bux, Merry Christmas and Happy New year buddy.
Have a safe and happy holiday.
Hope you get a bud like that in your stocking, lol.
 
Day 42 @ 12/12

Here we are at Day 42 (start of week 6) of a 9/10 week strain. Unless these things fatten up big time over the next 3-4 weeks it will be a very disappointing result. These plants have only had one minor Calcium issue that was corrected in under 5 days.

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Here you can see evidence of the minor Cal def I had to deal with.
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re: Bux's 252W LED Micro Bloom w/ CO2

Bolivar said:
Your budding progress looks similar to mine at the same point. That gives me quite a bit of optimism about LEDs. I'm still hoping to use them next summer.
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Really, thats good news for me then. I have been trying to compare with other WW strains under HPS and I thought mine was way behind. Only time will tell I guess.


scumbragger said:
Hey Bux...Merry Ho Ho....what I've seen change the PH like that is the water temps.
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Merry Xmas! Yea that happens a lot thats why this grow has a heater and chiller hooked up to the reservoir. My water temps dont move but a degree or two.
 
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