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WarBux79
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I dont mind but I am not sure if its allowed. I would like to read more about it too. I really would like to know how the plants know to start flowering.
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I dont mind but I am not sure if its allowed. I would like to read more about it too. I really would like to know how the plants know to start flowering.
I'm not posting a link.. I'm would be posting directions on how to get too the the web page..It's pretty easy.. I think all med users should read this.
This advanced lighting technique uses 24 hours of light BUT the plants think it's 12/12. You can adjust the lighting to do a 11/13 if you want or even a 10/14 type of flowering all wile still using 24 hours of light. It's a nice LED trick..
Let me explain if I can. Like I said this is an advanced method and I did not write it.
Blue light triggers flowering.. If you interrupt the dark cycle of a 12/12 flower with a blue light source, the plant comes out of flowering within a couple of days. If you interrupt the dark cycle with RED 660nm or even 730nm the plant doesn't come out of flowering. Now hold on before you go and start throwing red 660nm or 730nm on during what would other wise be the plants dark time, you need to read this stuff first.
The company that has been doing this research is called Temporal Photonics. They haven't came out with a light yet but the have put the manual for what will be the directions for their light on the web.. I've talked to the company they are 100% PRO MED users. Here is what they told me. They don't mind med users making their own lights with led's and using this timing method as long as they keep it to a 3x3 area. I didn't make the rules..
So basically they have a patten on this timing process, they own it. They don't want commercial use without a license. But they give it to med users FREE as long as they keep it to a 3x3 area.
So here is the only way I know how to find the manual. Search on my space for ....Temporal Photonics.... Make sure the search is under PEOPLE.. They do not require you to become a friend it's open to the public to view the manual.. After you have done the search it's the only link that comes up.. Once your on the main page click on the Pics link under the icon and you will find the manual.. My suggestion is to read it a couple of times...LOL .....I think alot of you will be surprised. Hope this open up your eyes to the future of LED's
This advanced lighting technique uses 24 hours of light BUT the plants think it's 12/12. You can adjust the lighting to do a 11/13 if you want or even a 10/14 type of flowering all wile still using 24 hours of light. It's a nice LED trick..
Let me explain if I can. Like I said this is an advanced method and I did not write it.
Blue light triggers flowering.. If you interrupt the dark cycle of a 12/12 flower with a blue light source, the plant comes out of flowering within a couple of days. If you interrupt the dark cycle with RED 660nm or even 730nm the plant doesn't come out of flowering. Now hold on before you go and start throwing red 660nm or 730nm on during what would other wise be the plants dark time, you need to read this stuff first.
The company that has been doing this research is called Temporal Photonics. They haven't came out with a light yet but the have put the manual for what will be the directions for their light on the web.. I've talked to the company they are 100% PRO MED users. Here is what they told me. They don't mind med users making their own lights with led's and using this timing method as long as they keep it to a 3x3 area. I didn't make the rules..
So basically they have a patten on this timing process, they own it. They don't want commercial use without a license. But they give it to med users FREE as long as they keep it to a 3x3 area.
So here is the only way I know how to find the manual. Search on my space for ....Temporal Photonics.... Make sure the search is under PEOPLE.. They do not require you to become a friend it's open to the public to view the manual.. After you have done the search it's the only link that comes up.. Once your on the main page click on the Pics link under the icon and you will find the manual.. My suggestion is to read it a couple of times...LOL .....I think alot of you will be surprised. Hope this open up your eyes to the future of LED's
It appears that the guy who came up with the theory and started the company is just 17 years old. Is that the case?
Scooby_Snacks
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I'm not the person to look at your grow and know what's wrong. I think you know that about me by now. I agree 1g/w for the cost of the lights is crap. I'm just saying we've all botched out grows and we'll STILL hit or come close to 1g/w.
I bought my first before that was mentioned and the other 2 after it went to crap. I never buy a product from someone because they pay for advertising where I happen to be. People take money for advertisements from dishonest businesses on a daily basis. It's not like 420 won't take advertising from LED manufacturers until they prove their claims are true, right?
I'd like to see where it was "found" that she's using an HPS in her bloom room. I'm not saying your wrong just I haven't seen that. I saw suspicion, and accusation but nothing more.
If he's not testing her lights who's lights is he testing? I forwarded the email I got from them. He is testing LED's. Which one's if not hers?
The BBB is the equivalent of a blanket or teddy bear for consumers to feel like they have some protection. The BBB has 0 power. All a dishonest business has to do it put "return to sender" or not accept the certified mail from them. If they don't receive the letter there is no complaint for another consumer to find. Trust me I found this out the hard way. If you don't get satisfaction from your CC company your SOL.
You know your using my own argument against me here.
lolI'm waiting for the Blackberries to finish before I set my mind on what cfl's can accomplish. Once I see the yields I can run my numbers. Once I smoke them both I can tell if there's a difference. I still need another light to finish the second tent so I don't have to move lights all the time. If I think cfl's will cut it, I may try those par max from envirotech.
All good man. Me being on these boards is about one thing, the smoke. Mine and everyone else's.
Ok, a few things here. To assume I don't realize I've been conned, your assuming I thought the same thing you did before buying these lights. I'm kinda finding out that we didn't. I had specific expectations coming into this grow. The bottom line was 3-4 oz of smokeable bud per harvest. I had no idea what HPS could do, nor did I take the time to look since it wasn't an option. I started with one LED, and I still think that is easily achievable with one light. Now when I wanted 3-4 oz I was thinking 4 plants yielding an oz a piece. When I bitched about the coverage area to HGL, who knew my goals ahead of time, I said now you'll have to get the same yield off of 1/2 the plants. She wasn't concerned. Guess what? Even with my screw ups I'll hit MY goal or just about. If I had experience growing I would have gone over my goal. Is that me getting conned? I think not. "But you got conned on the price" you'll say. Could I have gotten my buds grown for less? Sure, if I had patience to wait and watch everyone else try things out. But I jump in knee deep and wade through the shit, cause it's more fun that way. I was/am buying underground prices for my smoke (up to $25/g). If my grow failed how much would that cost me in bags I had to buy? How much did I just save over the next few months in bags thanks to my harvest? It's all relative to me, and in this case my next harvest is money in the bank (even after buying 2 more lights).
Just like some had no faith in LED's before I started, I had the same lack of faith in cfl's. It was a gamble either way for me. I rolled the dice.....
Bux, You know I think your a chill guy and we get along well so I mean no disrespect. You sort of make it sound like she's the first / only LED drop shipper doing this. They are ALL doing it, not one exception. How many failed LED grows have you seen? I don't mean disappointing, I mean completely failed? How many other manufacturers compare their LED's to HPS at some crazy ratio? One of the grows I sent you for prosource, Rumples. They sent him 2x the number of lights the comparison called for and the lights are still not keeping up with his previous HPS grows. I've also seen previous versions of their light not preform very well at all. I've seen a few HSS grows on here, how were those results? Chinese UFO's? They all change their claims as the test results, done by us, come in.
I'm not saying you don't have a reason to be pissed, complain, tell every person about it or anything else. You have a lot more issues than the light not preforming well. The VIP comment was a bunch of crap too. I just get pissed when people who are sitting on the sidelines, waiting for the rest of us to spend our money testing lights so they don't have to, start to bitch. You want to bitch put some skin in the game.
If you get your money back and want to try the chinese direct thing, I'll help you out trying to get the right combo. Of course envirotech has some crazy ass lights he posted pics of. Dam satellite looking things. lol
RageMonkey
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Honestly, I'm not sure how good they would be since it's largely dependent on lumen output. Plant growth requires a minimum of 2000 lumens/sqft, 2500 is considered normal, and 3000+ if you enrich with CO2.
So if you had a 2' x 4' grow area, you'd be looking at a minimum of 16000 lumens. Normally this would necessitate a 150w HPS lamp. A 126w HG penetrator LED only outputs 5000 lumens total. So even with 2 of those lights, you are a bit short. The scary thing is a single 48" 54w T5 HO bulb will output 4500 - 5000 lumens depending on spectrum.
It just absolutely kills me that a 5000 lumen HG penetrator costs $475 retail and uses 126w of electricity when you can buy a single strip 48" T5 HO (FLT514) with a bulb that outputs 5000 lumens from Hydrofarm and it only uses 54w of electricity for like $33.
WTF is that? LED's sound like a complete scam to me, eating up electricity and your starting capital.
$475 could easily buy 2 x 48" eight 54w T5 HO bulb fixtures for a total output of 80k total lumens (864w total) or a nice 90k lumen 600w HPS setup complete with a agrosun or Philips Son-T deep red sodium bulb.
In my opinion a 600w digital HPS with a deep red sodium bulb is the most cost effective and best performing selection for the grow space you described given that deep red sodium produces shorter plants and would produce a dry yield of 0.75 - 1.0 lbs in the 2 x 4 grow space that you described.
To be able to do that with LED's, you'd need like 2 x 126w penetrators for every sqft of your garden making 16 fixtures necessary using 2.016 kw of electricity. OMG the shame.
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WarBux79
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I'm not the person to look at your grow and know what's wrong. I think you know that about me by now. I agree 1g/w for the cost of the lights is crap. I'm just saying we've all botched out grows and we'll STILL hit or come close to 1g/w.
I bought my first before that was mentioned and the other 2 after it went to crap. I never buy a product from someone because they pay for advertising where I happen to be. People take money for advertisements from dishonest businesses on a daily basis. It's not like 420 won't take advertising from LED manufacturers until they prove their claims are true, right?
I'd like to see where it was "found" that she's using an HPS in her bloom room. I'm not saying your wrong just I haven't seen that. I saw suspicion, and accusation but nothing more.
If he's not testing her lights who's lights is he testing? I forwarded the email I got from them. He is testing LED's. Which one's if not hers?
The BBB is the equivalent of a blanket or teddy bear for consumers to feel like they have some protection. The BBB has 0 power. All a dishonest business has to do it put "return to sender" or not accept the certified mail from them. If they don't receive the letter there is no complaint for another consumer to find. Trust me I found this out the hard way. If you don't get satisfaction from your CC company your SOL.
You know your using my own argument against me here.
I'm waiting for the Blackberries to finish before I set my mind on what cfl's can accomplish. Once I see the yields I can run my numbers. Once I smoke them both I can tell if there's a difference. I still need another light to finish the second tent so I don't have to move lights all the time. If I think cfl's will cut it, I may try those par max from envirotech.
All good man. Me being on these boards is about one thing, the smoke. Mine and everyone else's.
Ok, a few things here. To assume I don't realize I've been conned, your assuming I thought the same thing you did before buying these lights. I'm kinda finding out that we didn't. I had specific expectations coming into this grow. The bottom line was 3-4 oz of smokeable bud per harvest. I had no idea what HPS could do, nor did I take the time to look since it wasn't an option. I started with one LED, and I still think that is easily achievable with one light. Now when I wanted 3-4 oz I was thinking 4 plants yielding an oz a piece. When I bitched about the coverage area to HGL, who knew my goals ahead of time, I said now you'll have to get the same yield off of 1/2 the plants. She wasn't concerned. Guess what? Even with my screw ups I'll hit MY goal or just about. If I had experience growing I would have gone over my goal. Is that me getting conned? I think not. "But you got conned on the price" you'll say. Could I have gotten my buds grown for less? Sure, if I had patience to wait and watch everyone else try things out. But I jump in knee deep and wade through the shit, cause it's more fun that way. I was/am buying underground prices for my smoke (up to $25/g). If my grow failed how much would that cost me in bags I had to buy? How much did I just save over the next few months in bags thanks to my harvest? It's all relative to me, and in this case my next harvest is money in the bank (even after buying 2 more lights).
Just like some had no faith in LED's before I started, I had the same lack of faith in cfl's. It was a gamble either way for me. I rolled the dice.....
Bux, You know I think your a chill guy and we get along well so I mean no disrespect. You sort of make it sound like she's the first / only LED drop shipper doing this. They are ALL doing it, not one exception. How many failed LED grows have you seen? I don't mean disappointing, I mean completely failed? How many other manufacturers compare their LED's to HPS at some crazy ratio? One of the grows I sent you for prosource, Rumples. They sent him 2x the number of lights the comparison called for and the lights are still not keeping up with his previous HPS grows. I've also seen previous versions of their light not preform very well at all. I've seen a few HSS grows on here, how were those results? Chinese UFO's? They all change their claims as the test results, done by us, come in.
I'm not saying you don't have a reason to be pissed, complain, tell every person about it or anything else. You have a lot more issues than the light not preforming well. The VIP comment was a bunch of crap too. I just get pissed when people who are sitting on the sidelines, waiting for the rest of us to spend our money testing lights so they don't have to, start to bitch. You want to bitch put some skin in the game.
If you get your money back and want to try the chinese direct thing, I'll help you out trying to get the right combo. Of course envirotech has some crazy ass lights he posted pics of. Dam satellite looking things. lol
I want to change my prediction on the 1 g/w thing. I meant to say .5 g/w. I don't think this grow was really botched. The few days I had PH trouble shouldn't botch an entire grow.
When she was at [another forum] she posted pics of her grow room and her "friends" grow room people saw HPS lights in both of them. When it was pointed out the photos were removed and she said she was in the process of taking out the HPS lights. Granted that is not evidence of foul play but if you look at the huge colas she "produced under LED" compared to everyone else's it starts to look more true. People may still say its not proven so I offer these other points. Her next demo under LED was only posted until week 4 or 5 because she over nuted. That could be the case but it seems more likely that they were not nearly as large under the pure LED and she didn't want to post them. There are way to many experienced growers attempting to grow with LED that are crying foul to believe that those monsters she posted pics of were only grown with LED.
You sent me the email and it clearly states that they are not working together like she said. She boasted that she gave him the lights in return for his review. She was supposed to post photos of his grow. Obviously she wouldn't donate all of those 318w LEDs for nothing. So someone is lying. This is all documented in forums.
While the BBB may not be the end all be all it is a start. I contacted my credit card company and got the affidavit from them. I deserve a refund on the items I have yet to receive and on my broken light. Her email clearly states that she will not refund the money on the faulty light unless I drop my protests. If enough people complain about these vendors they will have to change there ways. I cant comment on the other vendors because I have no experience with there products. The reason I am allowed to voice my opinion on HGLs lights is because I have experienced these sale tactics first hand. I urge everyone who has been slighted by any LED vendor to bring there case public. It is the only way this technology will get out of the dark ages.
I seen those Par Max lights too. Kinda neat. There is good data out there on CFLs and HPS. I firmly believe that when experienced growers like Rumple and SS say the lights under perform compared to HPS/CFLs people should listen. They are using LEDs and are experienced with other light sources like HPS/CFL. How much more evidence does there need to be? Sure we can buy the lights anyway and try for ourselves but that's pretty expensive and is fattening the pockets of vendors that are totally misrepresenting their products.
Maybe the conned statement was a little extreme. You may not have purchased the lights for the same reasons I did but let me ask you this. If Cammie told you that her lights would yield about the same gram per watt as T5s would you have purchased them @ double the cost of T5s or would you go a different route?
That is after all the skinny of what I consider a con. Vastly inflated claims to sell a product.
I know it sounds like I am just going after HGL but that's because I have experience with HGL. I do think Cammie is the worst offender. Some of these other companies never really claimed to grow pot with there lights or posted pictures of huge colas grown under their lights. Ect ect. She obviously knew what her lights could do because she was using them to grow weed. I don't know that Prosource or HSS made nearly as many outlandish claims as Cammie did. They took a totally different approach. They sold there lights and let people release the findings. She was on forums daily arguing with people about how she did a year of R&D to get her lights to out produce HPS.
If I don't get my money back I am going to throw the lights up on EBay. I have decided to just invest the money to get an electrician out here to improve the wiring of my house. This way I can throw up some HID lights and do it right. At least until a new technology is proven.
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WarBux79
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Hey Rage. My new grow area will surely be HPS. I will have the vertical room. My current area is 2x2. I had hoped the 2 lights would be enough but I wish I would have just used a few of the T5s instead. I agree LEDs are a total waste of money. I would have been better off going with T5s. Its a mistake I wont make again. I fell for the old bait and switch con. Tell them what they want to hear then after they are invested and proof starts coming out change the claims.
Slowpuffer
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You may be waiting a long time ?? Hope not !!
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WarBux79
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You may be waiting a long time ?? Hope not !!
That seems to be the case. She says I don't deserve VIP treatment and she has stated that she wont refund the faulty light because I refused to send it out without sending all of them back for a full refund. I don't want to pay shipping on two separate packages I would rather just get it all done in one shipment.
Slowpuffer
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Scooby--Snacks,I'm not the person to look at your grow and know what's wrong. I think you know that about me by now. I agree 1g/w for the cost of the lights is crap. I'm just saying we've all botched out grows and we'll STILL hit or come close to 1g/w.
I bought my first before that was mentioned and the other 2 after it went to crap. I never buy a product from someone because they pay for advertising where I happen to be. People take money for advertisements from dishonest businesses on a daily basis. It's not like 420 won't take advertising from LED manufacturers until they prove their claims are true, right?
I'd like to see where it was "found" that she's using an HPS in her bloom room. I'm not saying your wrong just I haven't seen that. I saw suspicion, and accusation but nothing more.
If he's not testing her lights who's lights is he testing? I forwarded the email I got from them. He is testing LED's. Which one's if not hers?
The BBB is the equivalent of a blanket or teddy bear for consumers to feel like they have some protection. The BBB has 0 power. All a dishonest business has to do it put "return to sender" or not accept the certified mail from them. If they don't receive the letter there is no complaint for another consumer to find. Trust me I found this out the hard way. If you don't get satisfaction from your CC company your SOL.
You know your using my own argument against me here.
I'm waiting for the Blackberries to finish before I set my mind on what cfl's can accomplish. Once I see the yields I can run my numbers. Once I smoke them both I can tell if there's a difference. I still need another light to finish the second tent so I don't have to move lights all the time. If I think cfl's will cut it, I may try those par max from envirotech.
All good man. Me being on these boards is about one thing, the smoke. Mine and everyone else's.
Ok, a few things here. To assume I don't realize I've been conned, your assuming I thought the same thing you did before buying these lights. I'm kinda finding out that we didn't. I had specific expectations coming into this grow. The bottom line was 3-4 oz of smokeable bud per harvest. I had no idea what HPS could do, nor did I take the time to look since it wasn't an option. I started with one LED, and I still think that is easily achievable with one light. Now when I wanted 3-4 oz I was thinking 4 plants yielding an oz a piece. When I bitched about the coverage area to HGL, who knew my goals ahead of time, I said now you'll have to get the same yield off of 1/2 the plants. She wasn't concerned. Guess what? Even with my screw ups I'll hit MY goal or just about. If I had experience growing I would have gone over my goal. Is that me getting conned? I think not. "But you got conned on the price" you'll say. Could I have gotten my buds grown for less? Sure, if I had patience to wait and watch everyone else try things out. But I jump in knee deep and wade through the shit, cause it's more fun that way. I was/am buying underground prices for my smoke (up to $25/g). If my grow failed how much would that cost me in bags I had to buy? How much did I just save over the next few months in bags thanks to my harvest? It's all relative to me, and in this case my next harvest is money in the bank (even after buying 2 more lights).
Just like some had no faith in LED's before I started, I had the same lack of faith in cfl's. It was a gamble either way for me. I rolled the dice.....
Bux, You know I think your a chill guy and we get along well so I mean no disrespect. You sort of make it sound like she's the first / only LED drop shipper doing this. They are ALL doing it, not one exception. How many failed LED grows have you seen? I don't mean disappointing, I mean completely failed? How many other manufacturers compare their LED's to HPS at some crazy ratio? One of the grows I sent you for prosource, Rumples. They sent him 2x the number of lights the comparison called for and the lights are still not keeping up with his previous HPS grows. I've also seen previous versions of their light not preform very well at all. I've seen a few HSS grows on here, how were those results? Chinese UFO's? They all change their claims as the test results, done by us, come in.
I'm not saying you don't have a reason to be pissed, complain, tell every person about it or anything else. You have a lot more issues than the light not preforming well. The VIP comment was a bunch of crap too. I just get pissed when people who are sitting on the sidelines, waiting for the rest of us to spend our money testing lights so they don't have to, start to bitch. You want to bitch put some skin in the game.
If you get your money back and want to try the chinese direct thing, I'll help you out trying to get the right combo. Of course envirotech has some crazy ass lights he posted pics of. Dam satellite looking things. lol
I'm trying to stay with your thought train, but i'm almost convinced that you're gonna try and protect Cammie to the end. I don't know or care what that's all about. I hav'nt heard 420 mag. come out and say anything detremental toward HGL,'yet,'. I would just cut my losses and move on, but i'd do anything to prevent hgl from selling to anyone else. And you got one high dollar veg. room bro !! Now for under $400 you go buy yourself a 600 watt hps cool tube, and you'll be back on track. I am convinced that leds will be around a long time for regular lighting, and i hope that someday they work out the kinks and can produce a grow light, that can compete, but it's just not there yet. What does this tell the rest of the people out there that would lie and sell us products . It tells me that the truth in advertising laws are bunk, and are not being enforced !! Makes me think that there's no one to protect the consumers anymore. Wonder how many $400 lights they sold on this site alone ?? And we knew they had just been kicked off another site, when she came here with all those lies !! And hgl is still a sponser on 420 !! i have a lot of respect for 420 mag., but if they let people make $$ from false advertising, it'll come back to haunt them !! Maybe 420 should charge a membership fee, so they wont have to cater to these phony sellers. If we all paid a lousy $20 a year., that would give the site more wiggle room!! Just a thought, may not even be legal !! You seem like a good dude Scooby, don't stick up for these crooks !! Remember, they got your $$, you got lied too !! I bet their sales volume has pulmetted in the last 2 weeks, with one failure after another. Sorry for raddling on, it just pisses me off !! I read your journal and although you're inexperienced, this is not your fault, it's the lights fault !! I'm hearing people say that they can double or triple their last led grow, well i want to believe it, but i'm not gonna rush out to buy more lies !! Show me, I'm from Mo. !! 5 stars for you, Scooby !!
Scooby_Snacks
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Scooby--Snacks,
I'm trying to stay with your thought train, but i'm almost convinced that you're gonna try and protect Cammie to the end. I don't know or care what that's all about. I hav'nt heard 420 mag. come out and say anything detremental toward HGL,'yet,'. I would just cut my losses and move on, but i'd do anything to prevent hgl from selling to anyone else. And you got one high dollar veg. room bro !! Now for under $400 you go buy yourself a 600 watt hps cool tube, and you'll be back on track. I am convinced that leds will be around a long time for regular lighting, and i hope that someday they work out the kinks and can produce a grow light, that can compete, but it's just not there yet. What does this tell the rest of the people out there that would lie and sell us products . It tells me that the truth in advertising laws are bunk, and are not being enforced !! Makes me think that there's no one to protect the consumers anymore. Wonder how many $400 lights they sold on this site alone ?? And we knew they had just been kicked off another site, when she came here with all those lies !! And hgl is still a sponser on 420 !! i have a lot of respect for 420 mag., but if they let people make $$ from false advertising, it'll come back to haunt them !! Maybe 420 should charge a membership fee, so they wont have to cater to these phony sellers. If we all paid a lousy $20 a year., that would give the site more wiggle room!! Just a thought, may not even be legal !! You seem like a good dude Scooby, don't stick up for these crooks !! Remember, they got your $$, you got lied too !! I bet their sales volume has pulmetted in the last 2 weeks, with one failure after another. Sorry for raddling on, it just pisses me off !! I read your journal and although you're inexperienced, this is not your fault, it's the lights fault !! I'm hearing people say that they can double or triple their last led grow, well i want to believe it, but i'm not gonna rush out to buy more lies !! Show me, I'm from Mo. !! 5 stars for you, Scooby !!
Hey bro. My comments about HGL and her lights are spread all over all the LED journals so I understand if you don't know everything I've said about them. If it sounds like I'm sticking up for HGL you misinterpret my comments. First off, I've said many times HPS is not an option. My options are LED, CFL or buying on the street. Nothing I can do to change those facts. Second, while I see many HGL grows not living up to widely hyped claims mine lived up to my needs for a cost I was willing to spend AND that saves me money from a few weeks from now forward. I also really feel like I botched my first run thru pretty good. None of the changes will get my results to what she claimed to people, but they will increase my yield. Did I get the best possible results for my money in LED? No, but I have results that work for me. If I play the lotto and hit enough numbers to win but not enough for the bigger jackpots. Am I happy I won or mad I didn't win the jackpot? As I said before it's all relative and in this case I'm happy I didn't crap out and lose my money with nothing to show for it. Next time I buy a light my expectations will be slightly different. As for HGL, I said in my journal earlier that I would not buy anything else from them ever again. Enough people have had issues with them alone for me not to give them any more business. Them changing spectrums was sprinkles and irishboy and ledtesters grows were cherries and a cute waitress to bring it to me. I guess the point to all my rambling this weekend is that LED tech works. Some work better than the HGL, but the tech now at least works. I'll milk my lights for every gram I can get out of them and when my needs change or I see something that knocks my socks off I'll change.
RageMonkey
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You cna get some nice 600w lights if you sell those LED's. I wouldn't stick em in storage, I'm betting LED grow lights are going to lose value pretty rapidy over the next couple years.
I really feel bad for those that have invested in the HGL LED grow lights. I have been following pretty much all the forums and LED grow diaries for months and very nearly bit the bullet on one of these units myself.
However, any time I asked a genuine question or made a critical comment, my posts got censored or deleted with aggressive finger pointing. Anyone reading HGL's posts on this and other forums will be forced question this seller's integrity.
I still feel like LED will be the future, but that it will take a fair bit longer until the units perform as well as HPS and are cheap enough to become affordable for the hobby grower. It seems to me that the main benefit is lack of heat, which is a great benefit in many ways.
I think we will see decent 300w to 500w units that really produce nice buds within the next 3 or 4 years. Until then, maximum respect is due to those willing to invest their time and money to get us there. I just wish that this time and money guaranteed progress, rather than hard cash in the hands of lying salespeople.
However, any time I asked a genuine question or made a critical comment, my posts got censored or deleted with aggressive finger pointing. Anyone reading HGL's posts on this and other forums will be forced question this seller's integrity.
I still feel like LED will be the future, but that it will take a fair bit longer until the units perform as well as HPS and are cheap enough to become affordable for the hobby grower. It seems to me that the main benefit is lack of heat, which is a great benefit in many ways.
I think we will see decent 300w to 500w units that really produce nice buds within the next 3 or 4 years. Until then, maximum respect is due to those willing to invest their time and money to get us there. I just wish that this time and money guaranteed progress, rather than hard cash in the hands of lying salespeople.
RageMonkey
New Member
It's not really the seller's fault. The problems with LED's are high cost, and low efficeny (lumens/watt). The benefits are low weight, long operational life, and size. Now LED's are not a new technology. The efficiency of LED's would have to improve 400% and the price would have to drop 90% before they would even be a viable alternative to current T5 or HID lighting. It's just not going to happen.
The only place you may see large scale LED use would be in space applications where solar electricity is plentiful, space is at a premium, heat can easily be radianted into space, and cost is of relative importance.
Slowpuffer
Well-Known Member
Yeah Scooby,Hey bro. My comments about HGL and her lights are spread all over all the LED journals so I understand if you don't know everything I've said about them. If it sounds like I'm sticking up for HGL you misinterpret my comments. First off, I've said many times HPS is not an option. My options are LED, CFL or buying on the street. Nothing I can do to change those facts. Second, while I see many HGL grows not living up to widely hyped claims mine lived up to my needs for a cost I was willing to spend AND that saves me money from a few weeks from now forward. I also really feel like I botched my first run thru pretty good. None of the changes will get my results to what she claimed to people, but they will increase my yield. Did I get the best possible results for my money in LED? No, but I have results that work for me. If I play the lotto and hit enough numbers to win but not enough for the bigger jackpots. Am I happy I won or mad I didn't win the jackpot? As I said before it's all relative and in this case I'm happy I didn't crap out and lose my money with nothing to show for it. Next time I buy a light my expectations will be slightly different. As for HGL, I said in my journal earlier that I would not buy anything else from them ever again. Enough people have had issues with them alone for me not to give them any more business. Them changing spectrums was sprinkles and irishboy and ledtesters grows were cherries and a cute waitress to bring it to me. I guess the point to all my rambling this weekend is that LED tech works. Some work better than the HGL, but the tech now at least works. I'll milk my lights for every gram I can get out of them and when my needs change or I see something that knocks my socks off I'll change.
I'd suppliment with about 200 watts of cfls !! Next leds i buy will directly from Chinese maker, and that's gonna be when someone finally puts it all together. I mean what spectrum do we need to add to eliminate the need for cfls ?? Seems like that would be simple !! Ha !! Good luck Scooby and i'll be looking forward to your next grow !!
Scooby_Snacks
New Member
Thanks bro. Your thinking like a lot of us lately. Started a thread where some of us have started to discuss just that:
Everything LED, Open Source Light?
There's been talk of it across a few threads.
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WarBux79
Well-Known Member
The Flush
I started the flush on Thursday adding only final phase to the reservoir. I intend to flush for 7-10 days. They are getting close to being finished. The hairs are turning red and I am starting to see Amber. Not much else to update.
I started the flush on Thursday adding only final phase to the reservoir. I intend to flush for 7-10 days. They are getting close to being finished. The hairs are turning red and I am starting to see Amber. Not much else to update.
How close are those lights to the buds - it looks like they are touching. I have mine at about 6 - 8 inches and am wondering if it would be wise to lower mine.