Yes except I will be using 2000 watts just on lights and will need to add serious ventilation its not worth it. I would rather shell out the extra money and have lights that will last 10 years, dont need to be vented nearly as much and save 60% on my energy bill just in light consumption. Not to mention the big fan and reservoir chiller I would have to add due to the extra heat.
See im not angry with you at all, but what peeved me was HGL's propoganda. and it seems you're caught up in it
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#2 she clamed that the famouse Ed Rosenthal was doing a grow, and that alone was enough to get ppl to buy the lights, yet we never saw a picture or anything. Apparently he was in amsterdam everytime she tried to reach him for pictures or whatever the excuse was. nothing materialized.[Added] She used him as a selling point and nothing else.
It was complete hogwash, she didnt claim that Ed was going to do a grow, she claimed that he was already mid-grow and she was waiting on picture updates. 6 months later, no type of photo or anything to show that he even turned her units on.
#3 its never fair to me that LED manufacturers claim that their units dont create heat. Anything that creates light, needs energy and heat is manufactured. And I don't think its fair to compare an air cooled system to an hps system that when bought stock isnt air cooled. What do I mean, look at the specs of HGL's light, its 5/6 high quality japanese fans that cool it. If every HPS hood you bought came with 6 fans built into the hood, wouldnt you have
managable temps? even the lil 90w ufo fans have 3 fans built in.
#4 last 10 years? their warranty only covers the unit for 3 years, your on your own for the last 7, and getting 10 years outta your leds? i'd have to see that to believe it
#5 saving 60% on your electric bill? Uhhhh sorry bro. The figures she posted are highly inflated, and very innaccurate, and at first when i made a comment about her LED's being so expensive, her electricity figures staggered me, but then i actually looked into the numbers more and realized they were distorted, but then again, i guess i cant blame her, she isnt here to sell hps systems she's here and sponsoring to sell HGL units
Electricity Consumption
A 1000w cost $30 a month. Thats about $360/year.
That alone is less than one 126w "penetrator" shipped.
($450)
But wait, you can get a 1000w magnetic ballast w/hood shipped for $275.
275+360=
$635 and i'll even add another $360 ..
So the Cost of running a 1000w for 2 years = $995... you know what, i kno your going to say "but i've gotta cool it with a fan".
Your vortex or whatever will probably run about 150w(im being generous mines runs at 100w) ill say $10 bucks a month(im being verrrrry generous)
so for two years it will cost you $240 to cool your 1000w
add that all up together, guess what you have
$1235 your 1000w will cost you after
2 years
6 HGL units are
$2400 out the gate,
before monthly electricity costs.
So what 60% are u saving?
Yes you will be saving per month electricity wise, but you are not going to see any return in terms of electricity consumption for at least 3 years.
With no ventilation, the room temps will be at 95+ as per HGL herself which means, that you're still going to need to ventilate the room anyway.. and you would definitly need a chiller, because she claims that the heat her system gives is not as harsh on the plant as an hps, and while in theory it actually does sound legit, 95 degrees will be almost 30 degrees over where your rez should be. You'll definitly need the chiller. Also many growers have noted that they go through a lot more water because of the focused lights.
I wont be disappointed with these LEDs. Have you checked out the Penetrator grow journal? Those buds look pretty dense to me.
HGL is on different forums and she advertises the same set up. But i have yet to see a grow journal from start to finish. As a matter of fact, her own grow journal here was halted because after 4 weeks of flowering she claimed that the plants went back to veg, and cited malnutrition and other excuses for it going back. Still nothing concrete. There are real designated testers here but their grows havent started yet.
Not to mention in
both her room and "her friends room"
HPS systems were spotted in pictures, and we called her out on it and she said, oh they were just hanging there but they werent on. BS, who has 12 led units hanging in a room and wouldnt move the hps hood to make head room, my speculation is she combined them together to have those results she showed. Am I wrong? Possibly, but there isnt any concrete evidence to say otherwise, and its very very suspicious. All my unused lights and bulbs stay on a shelf outside my grow room, I only put stuff in my room that I'm going to use to grow my plants. *Smh*
In one grow, she shows 4 plants under 4 units in midbloom. And she says herself that she has 4 units covering a 4' x 2' space..
Lets do the math brother growers
4 x
$450 =
$1800, you're telling me that $1800 to cover a 4' x 2' area impressed you? it gets better tho, she then said her friend added another 126 unit,
totalling $2250 to cover a 4' x 2' area.. and to only pull 2 lbs? smh
dont believe me, read the post itself
if i spend $2250 on lights, pulling 2-3 pounds is piss poor. Pitviper pulls more than that w/2 1000w on movers. Way less than $2250 and he yields more and has more coverage.
Well the grow wont start for awhile. Maybe a month but I am already starting to buy everything to set it up.
I just purchased my lights. I got 6 of the panels. I was really impressed with her grow. She is using that many panels because she is really maxing out the light for that space. You could use half the panels she has and still get good results. I know I spent more money on lights then HID guys spend but in my eyes it saves in the long run. On top of all the obvious benifits I wont have to vent my room very often which will save me on CO2 usage.
if you have an enclosed hood and inline cool it in and out your room, you wouldnt need to ventilate the room as frequently either.
yes i have seen that journal but it looks like he got like 8 126w panals hangin over them plants i am sure you could grow good bud with thousands of dollars of leds but that does not seem very pratical he could of did the same with 2 600w hids in my opion. dont get me wronge i love to see knew and high tech ways of growing but leds just aint pratical. if i had a lot of money to invest i would def try a light spinner what do they call them sunburst setups or someshit.
She has 12 Units @ 1512w. Quite frankly i've seen growers on this forum and others with buds that big and under a 600w. She was using a dwc/aero hybrid system and possibly C02. I wasnt impressed at all once i started doing the numbers. 12 of her units are supposed to be comparable to 3 or 4 1k watters going.
Not impressed
oh and btw 12 units =
$4800
. I guarentee you can see colas that twice as big with 3 1kwatters overlapping each other like her leds were.
Before you disagree, and argue that point w/o merit, understand this: Two lights overlapping doesn't double the intensity. Light intensifies
exponentially when overlapped.
Look into her units more, you'll find out that she has the lights arranged in clusters, 6 of them i believe. She put 126 LED's on a cast that can support 180. She put the 60 degree lens to intensify the clusters and give them the penetrating ability that other LEDs supposedly dont have.
She could have easily put 180 Leds, but she didnt so she can widen her profit margin. The end result is a half ass light. HGL's light spread is not uniform at all, there are 'sweet' spots that you have to try and get your plants under. This is all due to the arrangement of the lights.
Not to mention with all of those lights were right on top of each other, i couldnt be bothered having that much clutter in my grow room, i have enough clutter as it is and i only have a hood, two fans and a sound system in my tent. These units weigh over 20 lbs. 12 units =
over 240 pounds that need to be accounted for. Good luck to any of your dudes that want to adjust 240 pounds of lighting 1,2 or 3 times a day during bloom just to "save on electricity" or whatever justification,rationalization Cammie gives.
Last side note, the grow she had with the two 126w leds flowering the same plant and pulled 1 pound. Totally not practical at all.
$900 of lighting to get one pound? umm yah. Munki pulled half a pound w/
1 400watter. 1 digital 400 watter is $200-250 shipped. Once again, im not impressed.
Thanks for your concern. Have you taken a look at what these lights can do? I am very confident that 754w of LED's from Hydro-Grow-Leds will out perform 1000w of HPS. I would suspect that it would out perform 2000w HPS in a 3 by 5 Scrog.
754 of overlapping Led to a singular 1000w isnt a fair comparison.
I'll put any amount of $$ up that your 754w of led wont beat 3 600watters in a 3 by 5 scrog, and with your 754of HGL you supposedly have the advantage.
Ok lemme tone down the intensity.. (wooosah) lol.
Warbux, bro. At the end of the day, did this long post mean anything. Honestly no, this is still just my opinion, and you have the right to spend your money when and where you like. But since its your $$ you should also research a product and find out if any of your peers have had any success using it. I'm saying this because I almost bought a couple lights from her, and she even had some prominent growers here interested, but I did some research and i realized she was pitching the same lines i decided that i didnt want to get any of her lights, and I was going to atleast wait for SS or McBudz to start and finish a grow journal
. Am i hoping that u just got screwed outta $2400?
hell nah bro, i'd like your grow to be a successful one.
The odds arent in your favor tho
