Seriously, you've got to have a mental defect if you don't wash your harvest. I see zero downside to washing, especially after Dutty's lab test.
Bud Washing
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Seriously, you've got to have a mental defect if you don't wash your harvest. I see zero downside to washing, especially after Dutty's lab test.
PlanetJ
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It's not adopted by everyone .. if I mention it to people they look at me as if I am crazy, and are convinced I will loose potency .. they are going 'told you so' after the first toke, till it hits them 
Growers I know, wont try it. Nobody does it, cant be good, let others ruin their product, too much work, yada yada yada. They will soon find customers asking for it specifically
Growers I know, wont try it. Nobody does it, cant be good, let others ruin their product, too much work, yada yada yada. They will soon find customers asking for it specifically
Its rains everywhere this incredible plant grows, no? Sometimes it even monsoons during harvest time. This coincidently occurs where some of the strongest, most potent landrace, heirloom strains of weed grows.
True, I am biased... I have tried both.
-Nature wins
Are there any electron microscopes available?
True, I am biased... I have tried both.
-Nature wins
Are there any electron microscopes available?
Not for trichome count, but for non 420 artifacts.. skin cells, pet dander, insect remains, dust, hair, fur, dust mites, ...and thats the natural stuff.
skin cells, pet dander, insect remains, dust, hair, fur, dust mites, ...and thats the natural stuff. 
There are still people that think we didn't land on the moon. Bud washing? Is that communist?
I wash what I eat, why, after pretty, well somewhat scientific results, would you not do it?
Extra step, ok, that is proven wrong, in my opinion, it's a necessary step. If you clean what you eat.
I don't expect Jony crack head that sells only for profit to do it, and why bother explaining it to them? No offense to naive friends, sometimes you have to draw the line on what pros, and non pros accept as norm.
I wash what I eat, why, after pretty, well somewhat scientific results, would you not do it?
Extra step, ok, that is proven wrong, in my opinion, it's a necessary step. If you clean what you eat.
I don't expect Jony crack head that sells only for profit to do it, and why bother explaining it to them? No offense to naive friends, sometimes you have to draw the line on what pros, and non pros accept as norm.
Exactly. I'm a pro and I have high standards. No one is smoking bud I grew that isn't washed and personally approved by me.
People who think it's not a good idea to wash are welcome to their opinions, just like folks who never dust and eat off plates that sit uncovered in the basement for 2 months.
God bless them both. They are at liberty to do so and I wish them well.
After showing Dutty's results to a friend who grows, he offered to pay me to wash his harvests. It was too much work for him.
90% of the people who grow in a larger than personal scale have this attitude, from my experience. 90% of consumers also want to get as stoned as possible as fast as they can, and can't point out different tastes, smells, or structures. I was one of them for years.
Wash or be left in the dirt!
*Edit* I hate when people make up percentages to prove their point, and I just did it myself lol. Take it for what you will.
90% of the people who grow in a larger than personal scale have this attitude, from my experience. 90% of consumers also want to get as stoned as possible as fast as they can, and can't point out different tastes, smells, or structures. I was one of them for years.
Wash or be left in the dirt!
*Edit* I hate when people make up percentages to prove their point, and I just did it myself lol. Take it for what you will.
My previous batch of buds I washed left hardly any residue in the wash jars. I had trimmed them pretty well before washing. Other people said they ended up with lots of debris and worried about those "crystals" washing off.
I just harvested a Blue Dream plant with much more plant material, and I didn't trim before washing to see if I got similar results.
Oh my goodness! Lots more stuff came off, and a sheen of oil was on on the surface. I let the water settle and stirred the bottom up to see lots of debris. My heart sank. Perhaps I had put too much lemon juice in, or agitated too much. Time to get out the microscope and see how bad the damage was. There's got to be at least 1.5 bowls of stuff to smoke, if I can just recover it....
I suck some off the bottom and place it into a baby jar for viewing under the dissecting scope ...
Hmm,
I'm not sure I'd want to smoke this. Zoom into a grouping of trichome caps.
Probably not worth saving.
Considering what's left over. This is right after washing.
This is 10 days later.
One can see the aged trichomes are very different than the fresh ones. In fact, the live trichome is quite flexible; I can try to bump/pluck the cap off a trichome, but the stalk bends completely over and back without damage. The cap doesn't break off easily at all.
However, 3 days later, the stalks have started to wither and the membrane on the caps seems like they have dissolved away. At this point, the cap is just a drop of very sticky liquid. No more bumping and leaving an intact trichome. It's of drops of goo on stalks that stick to the forceps if I touch them.
So, it seems safe to wash directly after harvest as the trichromes are durable. However, during the cure, the trichomes become much less durable and the buds need to be treated very gently as the trichomes can easily be damaged. Further curing leads to a more tar like texture. Often, I see no caps on the exterior of a bud; they've all been lost during the cure. Only the waxy stalks remain. If I look on the interior, the trichome caps are still intact.
My observations suggest that the majority of trichome loss occurs by trimming and mechanical manipulation in the cure process. What is lost during the wash is exactly what we want to lose. The dirt.
One final thought. A bunch of the fibers seem to be coming from the fabric pots I'm using. If I was growing medical, I'd probably wash the fabric pots first in a washing machine to remove most of the loose fibers. They're some type of plastic fiber with lots of small broken pieces. I find a lot of them in the wash water.
Excellent input as always CoNerd.
It's not adopted by everyone .. if I mention it to people they look at me as if I am crazy, and are convinced I will loose potency .. they are going 'told you so' after the first toke, till it hits them
Growers I know, wont try it. Nobody does it, cant be good, let others ruin their product, too much work, yada yada yada. They will soon find customers asking for it specifically
LOL, this is part of the fun of washed buds, especially when they're HB or organic or well flushed. Your measure for a good hit gets skewed.
You take your usual ... no harsh, no cough ... hmm ... either I didn't get a hit or it's crap. So you exhale a nice cloud of smoke and you know it's crap. 
... until the rush hits.I love ambushing people with good washed bud.
Great info, CoNerd!! +reps!
Skybound
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The evidence is just too much to overlook. Probably more than 100 subbed growers on this thread are impressed enough to continue to wash and hone their own technique in that procedure, but then DP's lab test coupled with CoNerd's microscope shot and daily observations of trichome rigidity, it's damn near undeniable. Also consider that to operate professionally as a licensed grower, more stringent guidelines will be coming down the pike when the FDA gets up on cannabis growing procedures, and you are truly high on crack if ya think washing won't be adopted into law.
My own opinion is that washing produces safer, tastier and cleaner product for "patients" to consume. Not washing, will still produce good bud, but that bud has no business being in a professional establishment, or even care giver to patient.
My own opinion is that washing produces safer, tastier and cleaner product for "patients" to consume. Not washing, will still produce good bud, but that bud has no business being in a professional establishment, or even care giver to patient.
I recall two people on this thread saying it wasn't good for them.
One was a commercial grower who didn't want to wash for his patients - too much work.
As far, as I recall, the second person noticed no difference in the smoke.
I like a smooth smoke which is why I talked my wife into an 18" Tsunami Bong today
yum!
Hmm ... another comparison just occurred to me ...
Why do we take the time to trim off perfectly good trich-covered leaves? You get less that way, don't you?
Maybe trimming has been a bad idea all along - think of all the trichs you lose ...
Why do we take the time to trim off perfectly good trich-covered leaves? You get less that way, don't you?
Maybe trimming has been a bad idea all along - think of all the trichs you lose ...
SAMtheAPman
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Doc mentions this in a post on the first page.
I think the main reason ifor a close trim is looks. But doesn't leaving too many leaves on also give the dreaded "hay" taste/smell? I'm a very new grower so just going on what I've read around the place.
I think the main reason ifor a close trim is looks. But doesn't leaving too many leaves on also give the dreaded "hay" taste/smell? I'm a very new grower so just going on what I've read around the place.
PlanetJ
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I go around saying that 90% of the people are stupid. So based on these now 2 statements, we are on to something
PlanetJ
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Hmm ... another comparison just occurred to me ...
Why do we take the time to trim off perfectly good trich-covered leaves? You get less that way, don't you?
Maybe trimming has been a bad idea all along - think of all the trichs you lose ...
It's about looks and ease of use. Leaving the sugar leaves on, does not look compact and tight, and they will likely crumble off in a bag/storage container, leaving the customer with powder they cant put in a joint, because they will be inhaling that shit vs burning it. This will feel to them like wasting what they paid for. So you take the trim, put it in pre-rolled joints, and make them pay premium for it ... or at least, thats what they do over here ... 6 euros for half a gram of cannabis, 2.50 for a pre-rolled joint with 0.2 gram cannabis dust in it.
...not if you dry them properly. Hay means dried too fast. I have been smoking my trim for the past few weeks, and there is no hay taste/smell to it. It was dried using boveda packs.
I didn't notice smoother smoking bud yet because I've come down with a bad case of bronchitis and as such my smoking days are over for awhile, I mean one hit and I have a coughing spell that takes forever to get rid of. Isn't it a wonder why I haven't noticed smoother smoke? Lol.
What I'm probably going to do is make me some Feco or maybe some budder. It could take me months to get over this bronchitis, and let me tell you, it really sucks the big one!
What I'm probably going to do is make me some Feco or maybe some budder. It could take me months to get over this bronchitis, and let me tell you, it really sucks the big one!
David Bowman
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Have you tried using a vaporizer. Since I started using one, I rarely cough but still get off!
BrixKlinger
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Have you tried using a vaporizer. Since I started using one, I rarely cough but still get off!
I have a whip vape (box + whip, old school) that I feel is too much work per stone, it just doesnt seem to give a satisfying experience. Is the Volcano the only way to go? I've used one before, they are sweet. Most of the non-Volcano products seem to just be a variation on the old style setup I already have.
I hate to veer off topic, but you started it
also I think this thread can handle it!Man I'm as excited to get my first crop down just to not ever smoked someone elses unwashed shit again. HB snob months before reality.
David Bowman
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I use an Arizer Extreme Q at home and a VaporGenie when travelling. Both perform well for me. IMHO, at no more than 1/3 the cost of the Volcano, you really cannot go wrong with the Extreme Q, plus it can be used with a whip, something the Volcano cannot yet do.