Bluter's Happy Home For Hilarious Hempsters

[bluter]

Dang that’s crazy I’ve never pushed it passes 7 g flower per gal

it would be 5.5g/gal at present.

 

[Jack420]

Ooo kk I always did it per gal lol

 

[bluter]

Ooo kk I always did it per gal lol

i checked the mix today and wound up feeding by ec instead.

 

[bluter]

it was feeding day today and the gals weighed feathers lol .. they've been eating everything we throw at them. we're into bud set for sure, but i don't think stretch is done yet. things are just getting going.

lined them up for a feed

2 acapulco gold and 2 gelato. the gelato have a slightly lighter colour. been that way since the get go. but they did drive some of the feeding levels early in veg. they started to nute tip just a touch before going into flower.

light is horrible but you can see it. the acapulco haven't tipped at all, only the gelato

decided it was lollypop time for the girls. i love this place .... cause if you say that in public you'd be amazed how fast you wind up in the back of a police cruiser...

acapulco gold in the trim

i didn't go overly wild on it.

i could have taken some of the upper interior out but left it on this run. this was pretty much all just lollypop.

i did get rid of a couple lackluster lowers. some of my 2nd nodes were disappointing. they were great candidates to clone and reveg, but i'm going to do another run from seed next i think. i normally extend veg and pull clones then if i'm doing a clone run. they take way easier if you do.

my junky old nute is back to its gritty ways ...

fuck i have the feet of an alien ... and it looks like i was pissing in the bucket ...

the mix has been way too hot for a while. the plants haven't shown an issue, no idea why, but my ec has had me shitting for a bit. i normally feed by weight - gram/L - and go by read, but i do watch ec as well.

i was shooting for around an ec of 1.5 - this is what i got

yeah that won't do. i got to thinking it was about a litre short of RO too hot, so added in 500ml at a time and checked it as i went. at a litre we wound up here ..

still warm but close enough. makes me wonder if my water measure is out. ph'd and fed them there.

i'll keep a read to see if they need to eat more, but i want to ride this mix for a few feeds then supplement with BE. i need to be sure they are getting the bulk of what they need from the base nute first.

even running hot the read on the plants is just enough to slightly hungry. i don't wanna tip too far either way.

back in the room.

i gave them a bit of head room on the light twice so far and i've still got more to go. been giving them more when they hit 18in. they can stretch more if they like. when done i'll leave the light at 18in.

i'm running the light 12 / 12 still but will likely go to 11 / 13 after another feed or two. i'm running a touch lower at 75% dimming but will roll up to 90% at 11 /13 and ride it out from there.

the temps are good but my rh dried up a touch ..

that's not much better than what i get in winter. i'm used to running a good 10% or better this time of year, almost optimal. a decent adjustable exhaust fan would probably fix it. won't be in the cards for a while.

on the plus - at the lollypop i gave them all a good going over with the loupe for pests and found zero. knock on wood, or a thick cannabis stalk. pest free summer grows are not my forte.

the lollypop gives great lower air flow.

things are finally getting a little more fun. let's see if we pull it off.

 

[Danishoes21]

it was feeding day today and the gals weighed feathers lol .. they've been eating everything we throw at them. we're into bud set for sure, but i don't think stretch is done yet. things are just getting going.

lined them up for a feed

2 acapulco gold and 2 gelato. the gelato have a slightly lighter colour. been that way since the get go. but they did drive some of the feeding levels early in veg. they started to nute tip just a touch before going into flower.

light is horrible but you can see it. the acapulco haven't tipped at all, only the gelato

decided it was lollypop time for the girls. i love this place .... cause if you say that in public you'd be amazed how fast you wind up in the back of a police cruiser...

acapulco gold in the trim

i didn't go overly wild on it.

i could have taken some of the upper interior out but left it on this run. this was pretty much all just lollypop.

i did get rid of a couple lackluster lowers. some of my 2nd nodes were disappointing. they were great candidates to clone and reveg, but i'm going to do another run from seed next i think. i normally extend veg and pull clones then if i'm doing a clone run. they take way easier if you do.

my junky old nute is back to its gritty ways ...

fuck i have the feet of an alien ... and it looks like i was pissing in the bucket ...

the mix has been way too hot for a while. the plants haven't shown an issue, no idea why, but my ec has had me shitting for a bit. i normally feed by weight - gram/L - and go by read, but i do watch ec as well.

i was shooting for around an ec of 1.5 - this is what i got

yeah that won't do. i got to thinking it was about a litre short of RO too hot, so added in 500ml at a time and checked it as i went. at a litre we wound up here ..

still warm but close enough. makes me wonder if my water measure is out. ph'd and fed them there.

i'll keep a read to see if they need to eat more, but i want to ride this mix for a few feeds then supplement with BE. i need to be sure they are getting the bulk of what they need from the base nute first.

even running hot the read on the plants is just enough to slightly hungry. i don't wanna tip too far either way.

back in the room.

i gave them a bit of head room on the light twice so far and i've still got more to go. been giving them more when they hit 18in. they can stretch more if they like. when done i'll leave the light at 18in.

i'm running the light 12 / 12 still but will likely go to 11 / 13 after another feed or two. i'm running a touch lower at 75% dimming but will roll up to 90% at 11 /13 and ride it out from there.

the temps are good but my rh dried up a touch ..

that's not much better than what i get in winter. i'm used to running a good 10% or better this time of year, almost optimal. a decent adjustable exhaust fan would probably fix it. won't be in the cards for a while.

on the plus - at the lollypop i gave them all a good going over with the loupe for pests and found zero. knock on wood, or a thick cannabis stalk. pest free summer grows are not my forte.

the lollypop gives great lower air flow.

things are finally getting a little more fun. let's see if we pull it off.

You make it look like a walk in the park. Looking great b.

Are you satisfied with the phenos you are seeing?

 

[Mars Hydro]

it was feeding day today and the gals weighed feathers lol .. they've been eating everything we throw at them. we're into bud set for sure, but i don't think stretch is done yet. things are just getting going.

lined them up for a feed

2 acapulco gold and 2 gelato. the gelato have a slightly lighter colour. been that way since the get go. but they did drive some of the feeding levels early in veg. they started to nute tip just a touch before going into flower.

light is horrible but you can see it. the acapulco haven't tipped at all, only the gelato

decided it was lollypop time for the girls. i love this place .... cause if you say that in public you'd be amazed how fast you wind up in the back of a police cruiser...

acapulco gold in the trim

i didn't go overly wild on it.

i could have taken some of the upper interior out but left it on this run. this was pretty much all just lollypop.

i did get rid of a couple lackluster lowers. some of my 2nd nodes were disappointing. they were great candidates to clone and reveg, but i'm going to do another run from seed next i think. i normally extend veg and pull clones then if i'm doing a clone run. they take way easier if you do.

my junky old nute is back to its gritty ways ...

fuck i have the feet of an alien ... and it looks like i was pissing in the bucket ...

the mix has been way too hot for a while. the plants haven't shown an issue, no idea why, but my ec has had me shitting for a bit. i normally feed by weight - gram/L - and go by read, but i do watch ec as well.

i was shooting for around an ec of 1.5 - this is what i got

yeah that won't do. i got to thinking it was about a litre short of RO too hot, so added in 500ml at a time and checked it as i went. at a litre we wound up here ..

still warm but close enough. makes me wonder if my water measure is out. ph'd and fed them there.

i'll keep a read to see if they need to eat more, but i want to ride this mix for a few feeds then supplement with BE. i need to be sure they are getting the bulk of what they need from the base nute first.

even running hot the read on the plants is just enough to slightly hungry. i don't wanna tip too far either way.

back in the room.

i gave them a bit of head room on the light twice so far and i've still got more to go. been giving them more when they hit 18in. they can stretch more if they like. when done i'll leave the light at 18in.

i'm running the light 12 / 12 still but will likely go to 11 / 13 after another feed or two. i'm running a touch lower at 75% dimming but will roll up to 90% at 11 /13 and ride it out from there.

the temps are good but my rh dried up a touch ..

that's not much better than what i get in winter. i'm used to running a good 10% or better this time of year, almost optimal. a decent adjustable exhaust fan would probably fix it. won't be in the cards for a while.

on the plus - at the lollypop i gave them all a good going over with the loupe for pests and found zero. knock on wood, or a thick cannabis stalk. pest free summer grows are not my forte.

the lollypop gives great lower air flow.

things are finally getting a little more fun. let's see if we pull it off.

looks nice

 

[bluter]

Are you satisfied with the phenos you are seeing?

everyone's an individual for sure. the acapulco are super healthy and i like the colour. the gelato are pretty aggressive. a couple plants of each had real weak nodes on one side which is wholly genetic.

 

[bluter]

things are moving along

they are all starting to reach for it now.

my feed kept up the hot trend, so i've started mixing 8L at a throw then balancing it with extra RO to hit a comfortable EC. right now target ec is 1.4 - 1.5. i've not run strictly by EC for a long time, probably not since i was doing dwc recirc. finishing EC in this nute is pegged at 1.7, i'm likely gonna stay a touch under.

i'm adding in the BE booster on the next feed. starting the booster at 1/2 schedule strength and may go full later since i'm feeding by EC and not weight. i should be in balance this way, but i'm gonna have to watch what the added PK does, the EC might be in line but the nute balance could still be too hot if i'm not careful.

the plants have pulled a bit from some of my lowers and interior leaves. really shouldn't be happening from a nute perspective, they could be a little light deprived, it's not critical, but i don't like seeing it this early. once a plant decides to feed off itself it's hard to make it quit.

i dropped the day / night to 11 / 13 and rolled the dimming up to 90%. the plants will ride this level out to the end. might run back to a 10 / 14 in another couple wks, depending on how they develop.

 

[Danishoes21]

Flowers sites are in. Time to start stacking the weight.




Looks good from here b.

 

[bluter]

Flowers sites are in. Time to start stacking the weight.

Looks good from here b.

this where you start to see the weakness in the nute i use.

MC runs hot and can be pissy to balance in flower. adding in a booster on it is akin to russian roulette. i've run it successfully before but it's uncharted. the green leaf feed schedule becomes a suggestion only, you have to feel it out as you go. it's super easy to make stuff crispy.

i've had more time to work with them this run so i'm gonna try it. if it works well i'll run the nute this way on future grows and a possible sip.

edit : should add general nute tipping has been noted on them all for the first time in the grow. previous only 1 gelato had a touch.

 

[Melville Hobbes]

this where you start to see the weakness in the nute i use.

MC runs hot and can be pissy to balance in flower. adding in a booster on it is akin to russian roulette. i've run it successfully before but it's uncharted. the green leaf feed schedule becomes a suggestion only, you have to feel it out as you go. it's super easy to make stuff crispy.

i've had more time to work with them this run so i'm gonna try it. if it works well i'll run the nute this way on future grows and a possible sip.

edit : should add general nute tipping has been noted on them all for the first time in the grow. previous only 1 gelato had a touch.

Hmm. Given the yellowing lowers I was starting to think you might want to disregard EC and just go by weight, but if you're also getting tip burn on all of them I have no idea what's going on.
I wonder if the age of the MC could be a factor?

 

[Danishoes21]

this where you start to see the weakness in the nute i use.

MC runs hot and can be pissy to balance in flower. adding in a booster on it is akin to russian roulette. i've run it successfully before but it's uncharted. the green leaf feed schedule becomes a suggestion only, you have to feel it out as you go. it's super easy to make stuff crispy.

i've had more time to work with them this run so i'm gonna try it. if it works well i'll run the nute this way on future grows and a possible sip.

edit : should add general nute tipping has been noted on them all for the first time in the grow. previous only 1 gelato had a touch.

Thanks for sharing bro, I know close to nothing about running nutes;
I have to ask, MC is your preferred choice? And why does it run hot, to much N? Have you tried to give them the NPK you want one at a time; like have a N feed scheduled then drop it decreasingly and up the P-K as flower progresses?

Does MC mess up your PH?

Thanks for your time to answer.

 

[Wastei]

Thanks for sharing bro, I know close to nothing about running nutes;
I have to ask, MC is your preferred choice? And why does it run hot, to much N? Have you tried to give them the NPK you want one at a time; like have a N feed scheduled then drop it decreasingly and up the P-K as flower progresses?

Does MC mess up your PH?

Thanks for your time to answer.

I would argue that any nutrient line runs "hot" if you feed "hot"? The statement doesn't make any sense IMO. MC contains the same minerals as any other nutrient brand? I think Bluter think his pH issues can be band-aided by feeding higher EC? The result is nutrient lockouts in late flower.

MC is hard to get pH stable in soilless, especially the old formula. You need to compensate for low pH. You need to add pH buffers like Potassium Silicate and or potassium bicarbonate. Better cation exchange capacity lets minerals exchange load more optimal to better stabilize pH. Adding chelation agents like kelp, humic and fulvic acid to help with uptake and keeping nutrients in solution.

My two cents. Cheers!

 

[bluter]

Hmm. Given the yellowing lowers I was starting to think you might want to disregard EC and just go by weight, but if you're also getting tip burn on all of them I have no idea what's going on.

best guess is i'm just hitting the right nute levels. i been trying to run a hair on the thin side through veg til now, without actually tipping them into hunger.

the questionable leaves are all lowers and an interior or two. none of them are supporting a node branch anymore as i've removed them. that makes the fan expendable to the plant, and it's the first choice if the plant wants to pull from itself to build elsewhere.

i'm not worried or surprised at which ones it is pulling from, just that they chose to do so this early. it's part of the reason i decided to try the booster.

I wonder if the age of the MC could be a factor?

this is exactly what i have been thinking. i'm fairly certain the stuff does not age the best. it's still usable, but i'm finding i need to be able to adapt.

I have to ask, MC is your preferred choice?

i wanted to experiment with it as it's one part beginning to end. i can't always take care of them in flower and i needed something dirt simple for others to follow if need be.

the other factor was cost. i spent $120 bucks 5 years ago and have a good 10 - 15 yrs worth left. it's literally fractions of pennies to feed 5 plants. the nute is intended for acres and acres of greenhouse growing, they literally sell it by the pallet for commercial apps. the only size i could souce was a 9 kilo bag.

And why does it run hot, to much N? Have you tried to give them the NPK you want one at a time; like have a N feed scheduled then drop it decreasingly and up the P-K as flower progresses?

it's a one part nute. you can't peel one part out or boost up another without adding something external.

they do have a two part like jack's. jack's is the closest to it nute wise. i've run jack's before but it isn't cheap. i like it though.

Does MC mess up your PH?

naw. a lot of folk ignored ph entirely using it. didn't seem to matter on most grows. because i'm in total neutral media i do ph to feed on hydro rules.

if you're in hp or similar most folk don't RO or ph on it and feed by weight - gram/L or gram/gal.

Thanks for your time to answer.

no worries.

 

[Chuckeye]

@bluter

The first time I added BE it was the first week of flower, too early according to GreenLeaf.

And I didn't reduce the amount of MC, bad

What happened is the new leaves came out twisted/corkscrewed. Not the tip burn I would have expected.

Set me back a good week.

Since then I've only used it sparingly later in flower and didn't see any benefit....

And judging nutrient increase by yellowing lower leaves was problematic on my last grow, ended up burning one girl good, another slightly and two others just started to show.

Went back to measuring ppm's and kept it under 900.

5 gallon fabric bags with ProMix HP. Feeding a gallon every three days...

Cheers

 

[bluter]

I would argue that any nutrient line runs "hot" if you feed "hot"?

you'd argue just for the sake of it lol

we love you for it though.

i haven't been feeding hot. i've been watching ec throughout. normally i feed by weight.

The statement doesn't make any sense IMO. MC contains the same minerals as any other nutrient brand?

chelation and a bunch of base sources are different than most. it's essentially dehydrated poop.

I think Bluter think his pH issues can be band-aided by feeding higher EC? The result is nutrient lockouts in late flower.

i'm running a pretty standard ec level. i'm about a wk ahead though.

i haven't encountered any ph issues ever in the nute. i've burnt things like crazy on the booster though. just one plant. no real trouble since then.

MC is hard to get pH stable in soilless, especially the old formula.

amen.

You need to compensate for low pH. You need to add pH buffers like Potassium Silicate and or potassium bicarbonate. Better cation exchange capacity lets minerals exchange load more optimal to better stabilize pH. Adding chelation agents like kelp, humic and fulvic acid to help with uptake and keeping nutrients in solution.

i ph religiously. note the amen.

My two cents. Cheers!

Went back to measuring ppm's and kept it under 900.

i've run as high as 1200. it depends on individual plants, and the light. heavier light will feed more, more again if running c02.

5 gallon fabric bags with ProMix HP. Feeding a gallon every three days...

as @Wastei noted, MC will run a bit more stable in soil types. the new 2-part addresses the hydro style issues.

 

[Chuckeye]

Just to be clear, my MC one part was purchased two summers ago.

Might not be the current formula ?

I also had to purchase a big bag and have years worth of it left

My well water is ~7.5 ph and I don't ph down..

Interestingly the GH MaxGrow/Bloom do lower my ph and I plan to use that for an upcoming hempy grow !

Cheers

 

[bluter]

Just to be clear, my MC one part was purchased two summers ago.

Might not be the current formula ?

it's been through 2 or three iterations i'm aware of. you might have got the tweak in the middle of them.

I also had to purchase a big bag and have years worth of it left

it's hard not to be happy about the cost.

My well water is ~7.5 ph and I don't ph down..

promix is balanced. a majority of growers using it in that media type neither RO or ph. since it's more of a commercial nute, it's probably formulated for exactly that growing situation.

Interestingly the GH MaxGrow/Bloom do lower my ph and I plan to use that for an upcoming hempy grow !

on bottle nutes my ph would often balance close with no intervention. it depends on what you are starting with for water. once the nute levels changed it would have to be monitored again.

 

[InTheShed]

i'm not worried or surprised at which ones it is pulling from, just that they chose to do so this early. it's part of the reason i decided to try the booster.

I think this is the time in your grows where I say that MC is low in nitrogen in relation to K, and adding more MC to compensate sends the mix too high in K and Ca, which can cause lockouts before you even add any "boosters"!

it's essentially dehydrated poop.

It's essentially the same as Jacks and AN and GH and Remo (all salts) but with the smell of poop added at the factory to make you feel like it's organic!

 

[NickHardy]

Gotta Ph before every feed to run off likely to 5.8-6.2 Input in coco run off neither here nor there.

Nute mixes up to you - suspect Shed is right on his breakdowns on the different providers and say PK balance for flower is correct - well because!

Soil honestly not my bag. But using the DP brand I use - A/B Soil Blend in Coco and all gravy at out the tap no Ph adjustments but was 6.5-6.6. Switched to the Hydro Coco blend - still in at 6.5 and nearly killed the whole crop of 20 in Veg. Until I screwed up Ph’d it to 4.4 and saw an improvement overnight. Bit of study 5.8 ever since.

You have to make adjustments. I haven’t checked PPM in months. Ph and EC (and even the latter less as I learn to read the plants) all I care about.

My EC levels are no place for this thread

If its not >2.5 or =3.0 I’m not trying in flower

Co2 and big lights.

Nick