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[bluter]

I think this is the time in your grows where I say that MC is low in nitrogen in relation to K, and adding more MC to compensate sends the mix too high in K and Ca, which can cause lockouts before you even add any "boosters"!

i'm probably gonna make a little headroom and add about .03 ec worth of calmag in for an extra shot of n.

It's essentially the same as Jacks and AN and GH and Remo (all salts) but with the smell of poop added at the factory to make you feel like it's organic!

closer to jacks than anything. i've got so much of it we feed the garden with it.

 

[TorturedSoul]

i've run jack's before but it isn't cheap. i like it though.

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GH MaxiGrow/Bloom do lower my ph and I plan to use that for an upcoming hempy grow !

Also - when it dissolves .

What media are you planning to run in your GH Maxi powered hempies? Also, what size containers, and photoperiodic or autoflower?

 

[Chuckeye]

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Also - when it dissolves .

Don't have any problems dissolving MC or MaxiGro/Bloom.

I measure the dry amounts into gallon jugs and then run my tap as hot as it goes for the first couple of inches while sloshing it around and then continue to fill with lukewarm water !

What media are you planning to run in your GH Maxi powered hempies? Also, what size containers, and photoperiodic or autoflower?

Planning on using pure perlite. Kind of have my mind set on three gallons but it's proving difficult and/or expensive to find that size of pail.

Current thinking is to use a 5 gallon pail and cut a plug out of blue Styrofoam to bring the capacity down to 3 gallons.

Or not, he, he.. Just go whole hog

I was going to purchase some autoflower seeds but decided to go with what I have in stock, photoperiods >
Blue Dream, Coco Melon, Sour Diesel and Café Racer!

Should be done by Xmas, sigh.... Another longish grow but with each "harvest" weeks apart !

Still haven't decided which one goes in the hempy ?

Cheers

 

[bluter]

Don't have any problems dissolving MC or MaxiGro/Bloom.

the older MC that i am using is notorious for sediment and not dissolving entirely. the conventional wisdom is some calcium falls out of suspension and is not available to the plant.

the newer stuff is supposed to avoid the problem.

I measure the dry amounts into gallon jugs and then run my tap as hot as it goes for the first couple of inches while sloshing it around and then continue to fill with lukewarm water !

hot water from the tap is loaded with metals and particulate. for hempy i actually run ro and strip all that out.

hempy is passive hydro, neutral media and water work best.

if you want try something similar you can start by heating a small amount of cleaner water up in the microwave and using that to dissolve the MC before adding to the rest of your feed bucket.

Planning on using pure perlite. Kind of have my mind set on three gallons but it's proving difficult and/or expensive to find that size of pail.

it's a common size found at the orange hardware store. i'd recommend using a one gallon or so depending on how many plants you have and the size of your grow space. the buckets i'm using on this grow are small wastebaskets.

check out your local dollar store for different buckets.

Current thinking is to use a 5 gallon pail and cut a plug out of blue Styrofoam to bring the capacity down to 3 gallons.

Or not, he, he.. Just go whole hog

five gallon is typically far too large unless you are outdoor.

 

[Wastei]

the older MC that i am using is notorious for sediment and not dissolving entirely. the conventional wisdom is some calcium falls out of suspension and is not available to the plant.

the newer stuff is supposed to avoid the problem.

It's not the Calcium that leaves sediment and falls out of solution, it's the chelated amino acids. Calcium nitrate is highly water soluble.

I've had months of mail conversation with MC reps regarding this issue. The new formula fix the known pH issues with added carbonates and buffers, not amino acids falling out of solution.

Cheers!

 

[bluter]

It's not the Calcium that leaves sediment and falls out of solution, it's the chelated amino acids. Calcium nitrate is highly water soluble.

made that connection as it's pretty much only ever a calmag ask that i see on the plants. led won't help that either, it pulls piles out.

i'm not sure how an amino acid would form a precipitate. i would think it needs to bind to something to drop out, which would pull something with it.

I've had months of mail conversation with MC reps regarding this issue.

impressive you managed to get them to respond. their customer communication has got to be the worst in the industry.

The new formula fix the known pH issues with added carbonates and buffers, not amino acids falling out of solution.

did you get them to admit it? that would be a coup.

ph is something that has never been an issue. i've been contemplating running a plant without any ph to see how it works. there's even been other hempy growers on the board who ran MC with no ph or ro.

i'm pulling back a touch on the EC and adding a little calmag back in. it just seems to be more available to the plant when added.

Cheers!

 

[Roy Growin]

Hey @bluter - what if I put 2" of perlite in the bottom of a 1G cloth pot of coco, then stood it in a 2" tray of water - would that work like a hempy/sip or what?

 

[bluter]

Hey @bluter - what if I put 2" of perlite in the bottom of a 1G cloth pot of coco, then stood it in a 2" tray of water - would that work like a hempy/sip or what?

that would be a swick set up. there's a bunch of folk running it right now with insane results. it seems like the majority of the board is using some kind of passive hydro.

to work it just put the cloth pot on top of a bucket with perlite and the nutes added to the perlite. @InTheShed is running one right now.

 

[Roy Growin]

So then water from the top to refill the res with run-off? Or just water the perlite?

 

[bluter]

So then water from the top to refill the res with run-off? Or just water the perlite?

you feed the res and let it wick up. some swicks use rope or a cloth as a wick, you suspend your pot above a res, and run the wick into the bottom of your pot.

 

[Roy Growin]

50/50 coco/perlite in the pot?
Sorry for all the questions, but I can't follow long threads and need to understand 420% what I'm trying to achieve before I start a project
Thanks for your help - firm believer the only stupid questions are those never asked lol
Cheers Dude

 

[bluter]

50/50 coco/perlite in the pot?

perlite in the swick res, media of choice in the plant pot, most run a soil type like hp. hp makes sense as it is buffered, a swick res probably hangs around long enough for ph to move significantly between feeds.

 

[Roy Growin]

perlite in the swick res, media of choice in the plant pot, most run a soil type like hp. hp makes sense as it is buffered, a swick res probably hangs around long enough for ph to move significantly between feeds.

Would raising the tray on blocks with a tap to drain the tray occasionally to refresh the res be a good idea, or not necessary?

 

[bluter]

Would raising the tray on blocks with a tap to drain the tray occasionally to refresh the res be a good idea, or not necessary?

the res on a swick is usually enclosed. you replace the entire res or simply refill at feedings.

 

[Wastei]

made that connection as it's pretty much only ever a calmag ask that i see on the plants. led won't help that either, it pulls piles out.

i'm not sure how an amino acid would form a precipitate. i would think it needs to bind to something to drop out, which would pull something with it.





impressive you managed to get them to respond. their customer communication has got to be the worst in the industry.





did you get them to admit it? that would be a coup.

ph is something that has never been an issue. i've been contemplating running a plant without any ph to see how it works. there's even been other hempy growers on the board who ran MC with no ph or ro.

i'm pulling back a touch on the EC and adding a little calmag back in. it just seems to be more available to the plant when added.

Yes they openly admitted it and they post their new formulas with listed improvements and new NPK value for their 2 part formula.

hi guys Yes, its true, we are updating the Part A formula upcoming, should be available late May. It will still be compatible with 5-12-26 formula, but we improved it a bit to be focused more for cannabis with the NPKs, also increased solubility (for those super high injector concentrate systems), and are adding in our top of the line Seaweed Extract at a heafty 2% content as well for organic/natural hormone benefits. Also increased pH stability. This is kind of our answer to Athena and Advanced Nutrients Pro line which seem to be really popular lately. The PK ratio optimized for Cannabis as well

"ok, I see, that makes sense. There aren't inert ingredients, that is the amino-acids that cloud up and maybe settle down a bit. We are improving that in the updated released, reducing the amount of amino's so there shouldn't be any issues like that. So we were aware of it, and not ignoring it. For normal feeding it works fine, but for concentrated injector feeding systems, it can potentially lead to clogging filters quicker than usual. So this shouldn't be an issue in the new formula"

Cheers!

 

[bluter]

Yes they openly admitted it and they post their new formulas with listed improvements and new NPK value for their 2 part formula.

hi guys Yes, its true, we are updating the Part A formula upcoming, should be available late May. It will still be compatible with 5-12-26 formula, but we improved it a bit to be focused more for cannabis with the NPKs, also increased solubility (for those super high injector concentrate systems), and are adding in our top of the line Seaweed Extract at a heafty 2% content as well for organic/natural hormone benefits. Also increased pH stability. This is kind of our answer to Athena and Advanced Nutrients Pro line which seem to be really popular lately. The PK ratio optimized for Cannabis as well

"ok, I see, that makes sense. There aren't inert ingredients, that is the amino-acids that cloud up and maybe settle down a bit. We are improving that in the updated released, reducing the amount of amino's so there shouldn't be any issues like that. So we were aware of it, and not ignoring it. For normal feeding it works fine, but for concentrated injector feeding systems, it can potentially lead to clogging filters quicker than usual. So this shouldn't be an issue in the new formula"

Cheers!

pretty sure what i am getting is a different issue. i'm using the original one part. the 2-part formula is the one that would cloud up, the single nute gets actual particulate like sand.

there were a number of folk here trying to get answers over the original one-part with no real answer. when green leaf tweaked the original one-part the first time they dropped all communication with everyone. they've actually gone over the one-part again since then.

the two issues were described differently.


edit : we probably got a different formulation. edta is banned in canada.

 

[Chuckeye]

hot water from the tap is loaded with metals and particulate. for hempy i actually run ro and strip all that out.

hempy is passive hydro, neutral media and water work best.

Hot water from my tap is from my well and is loaded with minerals. Some would say it's unusable with a ppm of ~500 but my plants don't mind at all and I've never had to add Cal/Mag and for the last two (?) grows no ph down

Hauling city water got old, in a hurry

if you want try something similar you can start by heating a small amount of cleaner water up in the microwave and using that to dissolve the MC before adding to the rest of your feed bucket.

Why ? Doesn't get any easier than turning on the tap !

Perhaps the reason I don't have any issues dissolving it is because from the start of using MC I was concerned about getting the correct ratio of powder to balls. I purchased an inexpensive coffee mill grinder and run the MC through that....

it's a common size found at the orange hardware store.
i'd recommend using a one gallon or so depending on how many plants you have and the size of your grow space. the buckets i'm using on this grow are small wastebaskets.

check out your local dollar store for different buckets.

Living out of town most of my shopping is done on line, then go to town to pick it up.

Will check out the dollar store but the 5 gallon buckets have been purchased !

And I have plenty of styro

I'm quite happy with four legal plants per grow !

five gallon is typically far too large unless you are outdoor.

I think too big is a non issue. With each grow I've been getting more aggressive with training.

I (mostly) control the size of the plant.

Top above the fifth node, cut off the first and sometimes second nodes.

Train sideways until ~ 20" wide and flip shortly after. My tallest Sativa was just under 3 feet.

As to space, my 4' high enclosure can be expanded to 5' x 5' or larger, in a 10' x 10' x 8' high room.

I feel my "space" constraint is the efficient spread of light from my 42" parabolic reflector. At 5' wide that gives me 30" x 30" per plant and I turn them every day or so....

Cheers

 

[bluter]

Hot water from my tap is from my well and is loaded with minerals. Some would say it's unusable with a ppm of ~500 but my plants don't mind at all and I've never had to add Cal/Mag and for the last two (?) grows no ph down

i'd get control over the water. have you run any kind of hydro with it ?

if you stick with the water as is i wouldn't run anything other than a buffered media.

edit : you can RO the well water if you want, but i'd honestly stick with something like hp under those conditions.

 

[Chuckeye]

i'd get control over the water. have you run any kind of hydro with it ?

No, only with city water...

if you stick with the water as is i wouldn't run anything other than a buffered media.

We shall see, eh ?

I will be using the ProMix HP in the three SIP's with one having the perlite percentage increased from 30 to 50%...

Straight perlite in the hempy...

Cheers

 

[bluter]

No, only with city water...

We shall see, eh ?

I will be using the ProMix HP in the three SIP's with one having the perlite percentage increased from 30 to 50%...

Straight perlite in the hempy...

Cheers

it should be ok in the sips as long as you run it with the promix. the hempy's up in the air, i'll be watching with interest. a lot of folk have really pushed the envelope in hempy on this nute.