Bassman59's 1st Grow - DWC/LED - Pray For Me!

Heisenberg said:
It was this brand, Stealth Grow, that's the point. After getting home I checked to see if they were a sponsor. Their site lead me to your thread.

EDIT: What struck a cord with me is that I could tell the guy genuinely felt slighted. He spent 1600 bucks and he was pissed. As for doing my research, I have. Here and around the net as you suggested. In fact I think I'm following most of the journals here with LED in the title. I've seen successful LED grows but not from this particular brand.

And yes, your grow does seem to be going fine. This is not a personal attack on you or your ladies. That being said I don't think even the LED skeptics will deny that they are great for veg at this point.
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One thing I've learned when buying products local. Just because a guy works at a hydro shop, doesn't mean he is some master grower. It does mean he has access to everything, which could be a downfall. Like Bass said, there are way too many variables. What's the point of being negative in the first place? It's not like Bass is going to pull the light down and stop everything because of an opinion, lol. I personally think the mentality about the sponsors here is more of an appreciative one. If it wasn't for them the site would not exist.



Back on topic...plants look great Bass! Keep up the good work :thumb:
 
Heisenberg said:
Saw one of these for sale at my local Hydro shop yesterday. It was one of the first LED models I'd seen on a store shelf. I asked the clerk what he could tell me about it and he said "total bullshit. I bought one and got nothing but tiny pop corn nugs. $1600 totally wasted. Good for veg but the light coverage is so small it's not worth it for that either."

I hope you do better than he did. There is this mentality here that if a company is sponsoring the site then their product is automatically good and that doesn't sit well with me at all. If this product demo yields poor results does that mean SG will be removed as a sponsor?
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Were you saying GrowGSL or LEDs in general? Because i dont think GrowGSL lighta are sold at retail but I could be wrong. Your hydro clerk may have boughten one of the Super NOVA LEDs. I couldnt confirm anything about this light, though. All I know is there are good LED grow lights out there from good companies, a few which are sponsers and a few who are not. And there are crappy LED lights from crappy companies and internet marketers. A little research goes a long way in regards to LED lights these days. One things for sure: All LEDs whether good or crappy, are expensive, so more money doesnt mean better product. Better product means better product with LEDs. In no way do I think youre out of line with what you say, as i understand that just because you buy advertising space, doesnt mean you have a good product, but these LED lights are new and were going to test them out. Now, your clerk TOLD you that his $1600 LED sucked. We're showing what the ones that we've tried so far can do through journaling. So before you let his attitude towards LED turn you away, just watch our journals unfold and see for yourself.

For the record it took me 4.5 hours to trim what was under my 200w diamond series light today and I am very impressed with the weight of these wet buds.

Sorry Bassman for stealing some light in your show!
 
Heisenberg said:
It was this brand, Stealth Grow, that's the point. After getting home I checked to see if they were a sponsor. Their site lead me to your thread.

EDIT: What struck a cord with me is that I could tell the guy genuinely felt slighted. He spent 1600 bucks and he was pissed. As for doing my research, I have. Here and around the net as you suggested. In fact I think I'm following most of the journals here with LED in the title. I've seen successful LED grows but not from this particular brand.

And yes, your grow does seem to be going fine. This is not a personal attack on you or your ladies. That being said I don't think even the LED skeptics will deny that they are great for veg at this point.
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You said STEALTH GROW, not GROW STEALTH LED. two different companies.

right off the bat, when I go to STEALTH GROW website, I see a 600w that draws 380 watts and uses 2 watt chips. And does NOT have a 720+nm spectrum which is for flowering.

My light draws 550 watts and uses 3 watt. HUGE difference.

edit: hell Stealth grow may in fact make an excellent product. I dont know. But there are a lot of factors to consider. My point above is you didnt even mention the right brand I own, calling it the brand the hydro guy said sucked. An easy mistake, but again, one that you would want to "qualify" when talking to some dipshit behind the counter.
 
Bassman59 said:
You said STEALTH GROW, not GROW STEALTH LED. two different companies.

right off the bat, when I go to STEALTH GROW website, I see a 600w that draws 380 watts and uses 2 watt chips. And does NOT have a 720+nm spectrum which is for flowering.

My light draws 550 watts and uses 3 watt. HUGE difference.

edit: hell Stealth grow may in fact make an excellent product. I dont know. But there are a lot of factors to consider. My point above is you didnt even mention the right brand I own, calling it the brand the hydro guy said sucked. An easy mistake, but again, one that you would want to "qualify" when talking to some dipshit behind the counter.
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Having looked at both websites I can't tell what is what to be honest. I'll call them tomorrow to see what brand it is. Their products and even their logos are way similar. wtf?
 
Heisenberg said:
Having looked at both websites I can't tell what is what to be honest. I'll call them tomorrow to see what brand it is. Their products and even their logos are way similar. wtf?
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It doesnt matter that much really. The big point is unless all the proper parameters are met, any light can have bad results. Including HID. That being said I wouldnt be surprised if it was the other brand rather than the brand I am using based on the specs.
 
Did you ever figure out why you had the root problem in the first place? Possibly from not having the chiller? It looks like all is well now. AK48 is a pretty plant. Are you getting any red or purpling on the stems?
 
Dr.RedWhite said:
Did you ever figure out why you had the root problem in the first place? Possibly from not having the chiller? It looks like all is well now. AK48 is a pretty plant. Are you getting any red or purpling on the stems?
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yes Dr, it was from water temps. Well, since having the chiller I haven't had a root problem, so we can presume that was the cause and it makes sense.

Yea, I have had purpling for a while on various stems. It is a nice looking plant with a little color.

Have you started a grow yet? got a journal going?
 
I copied this from my post in clones section:

So I took 8 clones 10 days ago from my grow. Root riot cubes, sprayed 2-3 times per day wit a light mix of b52 along with keeping hood wet, cfl lighting, clonex, etc.

I actually was hoping it would take longer since my grow is only 10 days into flower, but it seems these babies have rooted really well. Only 1 plant has not shown roots through the cubes.

Questions:

How long can I go on like this before transplanting? Or do they need to be moved now?

If transplanted now I may be forced to go soil, which I know nothing about (stopped reading about soil when I decided to go DWC). If I do transplant now into soil wont I be forced to stay in soil on these?

If I transplant now, I'm also forced to use cfl until I hit the switch to 12/12 or move them into my current flowering tent. Can I slow the growth without hurting them to prolong going into flower down the road? I'm trying to time it with my other grow and really dont have the $$ to create a veg room yet and moving them later into current flowering grow would also put them way far away from the LED in that tent.

What would be the suggestions on transplant medium now?

Thanks, and feel free to link any educational info to guide me at this point so I can be lazy and not look it up myself. :thumb:

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You can keep them in the cloning tray for a while longer, it won't hurt them any. I might even consider pinching the tops to get more colas while you have time to kill.

If you do decide to go with another method for growing them other than your DWC, consider going with coco, you could then basically keep you hydro feeding schedule just follow the drain to waste mix.

If these were mine, I would just pinch the tops, let them get a little new growth (1/2 nutes) and then put them into the DWC at the end of the week/early next week.

Just as a side note, when I take clones, I try to get to the stems a little shorter than that, it keeps the overall height of the clone shorter and allows for a little tighter stacking on the nodes while it is in the cloner under the T5HO, then when I put them under the LEDs they can stretch out at that point.
 
I should have also asked, how long before you are ready to put these clones into flower? My basic planning timeline is to take cutting three weeks out and then I am able to get a quick turnover on the bloom room.

If you have more than three weeks before you are ready to put these in. You could always take more cuttings from your mom three weeks out and then experiment with soil, hempy, coco with these ones.
 
well tbh I was just trying to shorten the time between harvests. I didnt want to wait 12 weeks between and was kinda hoping to just be a little ways into flower on these when I harvest current grow. Like maybe 6 weeks apart. This would give a pretty long veg on these which of course will increase size/yield but I kinda expected maybe 3 weeks from cutting to planting for real veg. The fact we're 10 days after cuttings kinda surprised me.
 
Have to love root riot plugs, that is my preferred method of germing my seeds. My local hydro store owner says that is the only way she clones now as well.

If you have the space you could try vegging them out a while. Or you could take the healthiest clone and make a bonsai mom out of her. She'll be ready to give up clones in 3 weeks or less and that will be about the time you need to take more for the next round.
 
My present method and timing to take clones is to do it as soon as I put the veging plants into flower. They root and have 8 weeks to veg. I use straight vermiculite domed for 4 days and usually have roots in 10 or 12 days. This makes for bigger and fewer plants in the garden which works for me as I like to grow vertical anyway so tall doesn't hurt that badly. I am finishing up my last run of Diesel, two large plants wrapped around a 400 watt HPS. I ran her for a year and now I am torn between choosing from my seed collection. White Widow x AK48 could be next but I have femmed Ice and Snow White from a recent Nirvana special along with Master Kush and the rest of the AK48. And a ten pack of Aurora, tough decision to make! I could do a 12 plant 12/12 from seed run to make some more seeds and get a look at the different plants. I want to try a wick system Jacks Hydro run at the same time. Wish I had a great big place to grow!
 
SteveHman said:
Have to love root riot plugs, that is my preferred method of germing my seeds. My local hydro store owner says that is the only way she clones now as well.

If you have the space you could try vegging them out a while. Or you could take the healthiest clone and make a bonsai mom out of her. She'll be ready to give up clones in 3 weeks or less and that will be about the time you need to take more for the next round.
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Agreed! I use 'em for germing seeds, too. They work great.
 
Mid week update:

Day 12 of Flower

A nice mid week update. Added 1.5 gals yesterday.

Buds are just starting to form.

The plant in top left of back tub which is two weeks behind "bigun" has now surpassed the big girl in height! Both are excellent girls with what looks to be 4 main colas per.

I am raising the LED every 2 days about an inch or so. Running 19" max from big girls. Unfortunately the shortest plants are 6" behind the tallest and I dont see a way to make them stretch more. But not going to worry about it. I'll take what they give.

The clones are doing great. All of the clones are from the two biggest-bushiest plants. 3-4 of them really need to be transplanted. One has yet to show much rooting and I may drop it and one other and just use my spare tub for a DWC in closet with 6 plants. They'll get pretty big but I can top & fim the hell out of them then go 3 per tub after harvest of current and maybe have a huge yield from just 6. They will however be forced to veg under cfl's and I may just go get 2-3 more dual bulb hoods tomorrow to do that. They'll have to veg in closet. But if I did the math right, electricity wise it should be fine.

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would the DWC allow you to set the shorter plants on something?? this can be used to even a canopy when needed...
 
GodsTrichome said:
would the DWC allow you to set the shorter plants on something?? this can be used to even a canopy when needed...
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Not presently because as you recall, I turned it into RDWC with no main res. Both tubs draining evenly into pump to chiller then back to a "T" and into the tubs.

This is an issue for expansion in this tent for future grows also. If I were to add even one tub I would then have to add a main res and gravity feed from res to recirculate. The issue that comes to mind in doing that is having enough room to have humdifiers in this desert climate. I really wish I had gone 5x5 on the tent.
 
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