i just ordered a new light for my 3x3 so i'll have side lights available for the 5'x4' hopefully in a few days, looks goodMy downward angle of choice:
Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig
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I quite agree.
With this I agree too.
Nicknock, all is looking good over there.
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Here’s our first extremely strong anecdotal evidence that the 25% power side light addition is still heaven to the plants. This Trizkit with the giant fans that aren’t bugging me yet I have let go like this regarding those three fans I can’t keep down without tying. They serve as one of my check points. My thing is all about reading needs based on reading the plants. Ideally I wouldn’t ever need tools. Not there yet by a long shot. But getting better. Anyway, these leaves were praying just like this before the lights were engaged. It’s now been several hours. By now if the side lights were too hot these leaves prayer angle would have changed. They’d be flatter. I look around the tent at the other leaves. All praying perfectly. Nobody gravitating towards the light. Exactly as desired. 25% is the correct starting point for me with 550 watts. Soon I hit flower boost on my light and it jumps up to 680 watts. At that point we raise the sides if necessary. They don’t go lower than 25%, the incremental dimmer being the only downside to these lights imo. So there’s my deal and philosophy (sorta) on these sides and reading the tea leaves.
You've convinced me that my nutes are just not good enough for high PAR LED lamps Jon [current grow]Here’s our first extremely strong anecdotal evidence that the 25% power side light addition is still heaven to the plants. This Trizkit with the giant fans that aren’t bugging me yet I have let go like this regarding those three fans I can’t keep down without tying. They serve as one of my check points. My thing is all about reading needs based on reading the plants. Ideally I wouldn’t ever need tools. Not there yet by a long shot. But getting better. Anyway, these leaves were praying just like this before the lights were engaged. It’s now been several hours. By now if the side lights were too hot these leaves prayer angle would have changed. They’d be flatter. I look around the tent at the other leaves. All praying perfectly. Nobody gravitating towards the light. Exactly as desired. 25% is the correct starting point for me with 550 watts. Soon I hit flower boost on my light and it jumps up to 680 watts. At that point we raise the sides if necessary. They don’t go lower than 25%, the incremental dimmer being the only downside to these lights imo. So there’s my deal and philosophy (sorta) on these sides and reading the tea leaves.
Your garden is fekin lush man, I reckon you might just nail it over Nick's CO2, even tho I agree with him that you don't need 30L of root space, you can do it in 5-10L
they are looking awesome & you'll be proud of me as i was paying attention to the earlier conversation about PPFD & me not getting past 800 so i was increasing at 50 PPFD at a time so i went up 30 PPFD each time & now my PPFD meter is saying 930 PPFD & the plant like it Hmmm! lets see what happens when i add the side lights, question about the string x marks the spot or you use it to help find center or something else?Here’s our first extremely strong anecdotal evidence that the 25% power side light addition is still heaven to the plants. This Trizkit with the giant fans that aren’t bugging me yet I have let go like this regarding those three fans I can’t keep down without tying. They serve as one of my check points. My thing is all about reading needs based on reading the plants. Ideally I wouldn’t ever need tools. Not there yet by a long shot. But getting better. Anyway, these leaves were praying just like this before the lights were engaged. It’s now been several hours. By now if the side lights were too hot these leaves prayer angle would have changed. They’d be flatter. I look around the tent at the other leaves. All praying perfectly. Nobody gravitating towards the light. Exactly as desired. 25% is the correct starting point for me with 550 watts. Soon I hit flower boost on my light and it jumps up to 680 watts. At that point we raise the sides if necessary. They don’t go lower than 25%, the incremental dimmer being the only downside to these lights imo. So there’s my deal and philosophy (sorta) on these sides and reading the tea leaves.
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Thanks @Roy Growin, I don’t quite understand what you mean by this:
even tho I agree with him that you don't need 30L of root space, you can do it in 5-10L
Would you mind clarifying for my too high brain? Lol
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Hi @con, I just got back and glad you asked cuz I was just about to reference you. So side lights first. After watching your last spectacular grow and how you did your sides in that one, it’s apparent that you and I have a similar thought pattern on these. We might vary on our height or angle, but generally we seem to feel the same. So what I was going to ask you was if you agree with and might feel like talking about two things:
1. Once you add the side lights your ppfd tester app is uselss. You cannot accurately measure with an app when the light comes at the camera from two sides at once. So with side lights, to some extent, you have to guess. The only reference you do get is that you test the overhead then test the sides (separately). At least then you are just guessing on the overlap of those fields and have *some* reference point to start. From there it’s tweak and balance. That’s my take and approach. Do you agree with this? Or you got a miracle app I need? Lol.
2. Timing is critical. Too early in veg and you get leafed to death. Too late in flower and you missed the sweet spot. I feel there’s a use for any timing depending on your goal, but for me, wanting big dense buds, it starts now when the stretch begins. It’s when the plant grows the most in the shortest time. Of course it wants more energy. Right?
Thanks con!
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Forgot - the X is a reference point more than anything else. If I had to I would have run stems along it but didn’t have to. The power of that type reference point would surprise you. It really helps me with spacing and the height of plants and keeping things flat.
for #1 yes will test PPFD seperatly on each light with side lights at a lower power & with all on at multiple spots, & when i have lights up or just before & will be hanging them higher this time around (main light is also higher than last grow) i'll ask for opinions whether to use or not, my plants are in stretch now except one but just starting but the side lighting would probably help bulk them up even at mid or when stretch is done? hoping to have my new light saturday monday the latest
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Yeah I either turn them on for the stretch and beyond or just post stretch when budlets begin. I tried it in veg and sure, it definitely increases growth, but you also generate like three or four times as many leaves. When I did it that way defol was a full time job, and I didn’t notice much vertical growth in veg as much as bushy, side branch growth, and just tons of leaves. Wasn’t worth it to me. I do fine in veg without them but I want them to get uniform density top to bottom on the colas. Side lights make it so you don’t have to be *quite* as fanatical about deflarfing, cuz it’s all gonna get dense. So just for flower is my approach. Pre or post stretch I’m still experimenting. This grow it is when the stretch began roughly.
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General Update
These things are going nuts. Last night, I changed the res on GC #2, she’s on Cyco week 5 of veg. GC #1 in the coco 10 continues to dominate, also week five of Cyco veg. She’s a monster, maybe the largest auto I’ve ever grown. If I had let her go and not trained her this plant would be six feet tall now. I think it’s even bigger than the Watermelon Wedding Cake XXL, one of my staples and always a double digit yielder. The coco girls and other res are on week 5 of Remo veg. I split the veg and bloom quantities on the Remo for the stretch. Half veg and half bloom. Go to full bloom nutes post stretch. Also with Remo I get better results staying at 8ml of everything in flower - I never go to the 10 ml as they say. Used to. Too hot. Burns leaves at 10 often. The organics all got a shot of half veg half flower Geoflora nutes yesterday along with EWC and watering with kelp, mackerel, and RGR. Everyone is happy and stretching like mad. Controlling this tent takes me two hours each morning. Colas get relocated as other plants around them grow, leaves get tucked, stakes get adjusted, etc. 9 plants is a lot of work doing it this way for sure. They are stretching so fast and hard I can almost sit here and watch it in real time. I do this a lot, and these girls are blowing me out of the water. Can’t fathom it but glad the pot gods graced me a good grow so far.
Here’s today post watering and training and cleaning up the floor of tent.
These things are going nuts. Last night, I changed the res on GC #2, she’s on Cyco week 5 of veg. GC #1 in the coco 10 continues to dominate, also week five of Cyco veg. She’s a monster, maybe the largest auto I’ve ever grown. If I had let her go and not trained her this plant would be six feet tall now. I think it’s even bigger than the Watermelon Wedding Cake XXL, one of my staples and always a double digit yielder. The coco girls and other res are on week 5 of Remo veg. I split the veg and bloom quantities on the Remo for the stretch. Half veg and half bloom. Go to full bloom nutes post stretch. Also with Remo I get better results staying at 8ml of everything in flower - I never go to the 10 ml as they say. Used to. Too hot. Burns leaves at 10 often. The organics all got a shot of half veg half flower Geoflora nutes yesterday along with EWC and watering with kelp, mackerel, and RGR. Everyone is happy and stretching like mad. Controlling this tent takes me two hours each morning. Colas get relocated as other plants around them grow, leaves get tucked, stakes get adjusted, etc. 9 plants is a lot of work doing it this way for sure. They are stretching so fast and hard I can almost sit here and watch it in real time. I do this a lot, and these girls are blowing me out of the water. Can’t fathom it but glad the pot gods graced me a good grow so far.
Here’s today post watering and training and cleaning up the floor of tent.
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Skywalker
Backup Plant
Bedroom Closet/420h
This girl is doing real well and starting to stretch. A 7 of coco and she’s on week five of Remo. Excellent plant. I just let this one go and made the topping shoots horizontal. Didn’t train it til the branches almost entirely caught up. If you do it that way it is super easy to then canopy the plant, but it working or not this way is dependent on the stem and lower branch growth. Worked well with the Cherry Pie last grow, and the Blackberry Moonrocks. But I hit that on one of five plants. This one worked real well. She’s flat up top, and sitting at a cool 1050 after lowering her to canopy her. Low ppfd for me. I already know I can go as high as 1300 with the Skywalker and she’ll be fine. But let’s try her a bit lower. I’ll compare that to the tent Skywalker who will flower much higher than 1050 ppfd. I’m going to go with it and just let her grow up into higher par from here.
Backup Plant
Bedroom Closet/420h
This girl is doing real well and starting to stretch. A 7 of coco and she’s on week five of Remo. Excellent plant. I just let this one go and made the topping shoots horizontal. Didn’t train it til the branches almost entirely caught up. If you do it that way it is super easy to then canopy the plant, but it working or not this way is dependent on the stem and lower branch growth. Worked well with the Cherry Pie last grow, and the Blackberry Moonrocks. But I hit that on one of five plants. This one worked real well. She’s flat up top, and sitting at a cool 1050 after lowering her to canopy her. Low ppfd for me. I already know I can go as high as 1300 with the Skywalker and she’ll be fine. But let’s try her a bit lower. I’ll compare that to the tent Skywalker who will flower much higher than 1050 ppfd. I’m going to go with it and just let her grow up into higher par from here.
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If I have to remove any tent plants due to size, (we are allowed to remove, just not add, me and Nick went back and forth on that one, lol) they will go into here. I have a 4x4s worth of great light with the 420h and this Skywalker is all alone. Plenty of room for company if necessary. That would be one of the smaller organics, the Northern Lights or Gorilla Cookies. At the moment it appears the two Gorilla Cookies on Cyco may grow so much that they take the whole back row. If that happens the Northern Lights moves out. Lmao.Skywalker
Backup Plant
Bedroom Closet/420h
This girl is doing real well and starting to stretch. A 7 of coco and she’s on week five of Remo. Excellent plant. I just let this one go and made the topping shoots horizontal. Didn’t train it til the branches almost entirely caught up. If you do it that way it is super easy to then canopy the plant, but it working or not this way is dependent on the stem and lower branch growth. Worked well with the Cherry Pie last grow, and the Blackberry Moonrocks. But I hit that on one of five plants. This one worked real well. She’s flat up top, and sitting at a cool 1050 after lowering her to canopy her. Low ppfd for me. I already know I can go as high as 1300 with the Skywalker and she’ll be fine. But let’s try her a bit lower. I’ll compare that to the tent Skywalker who will flower much higher than 1050 ppfd. I’m going to go with it and just let her grow up into higher par from here.
Love a bit of Knob Creek, once a year kinda thing, preferably late at night probably on my own with a view and maybe a book and many thoughts.
Plants Report and musings on efforts undertaken today:
I watered them and then,
A shimmy shimmy ya….
Day done.
Nick
Plants Report and musings on efforts undertaken today:
I watered them and then,
A shimmy shimmy ya….
Day done.
Nick
lekkerLove a bit of Knob Creek, once a year kinda thing, preferably late at night probably on my own with a view and maybe a book and many thoughts.
Plants Report and musings on efforts undertaken today:
I watered them and then,
A shimmy shimmy ya….
Day done.
Nick
I mean in coco/hydro much less root space is needed as opposed to organics/soil, that's all
nice journal i hope you guys get a jotm.
if you are growing in a small cabinet or closet you can use cheap rope lighting as side light. you can achieve 360 degree light with it. it's well known in the space bucket community.
it works really well for 1 - 2 plants. it's usefulness starts to drop off anywhere larger than 4 x 4. it can help maximize your production for a smaller space and really is beneficial to making larger lower buds.
if you are growing in a small cabinet or closet you can use cheap rope lighting as side light. you can achieve 360 degree light with it. it's well known in the space bucket community.
it works really well for 1 - 2 plants. it's usefulness starts to drop off anywhere larger than 4 x 4. it can help maximize your production for a smaller space and really is beneficial to making larger lower buds.
Thanks for the info bluter i have two 100watters in my 3x3 & replacing those with one 300 watter so they will probably be used as side lighting in my 5'x4' along with a 480 watter
Lights, lights and more lights! I saw this big commercial grow that had UV running at medium level pointing vertically recently.
Where will this madness end!
Where will this madness end!