Iāll be serving up Jonās ass, served smoked, in about 9-10 weeks. Stick around for it!Holy shit it's cool
Watching you two go at it
I wanna smoke it!
Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig
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9-10 hr's will smoke and ring him, 9-10 days will not be needed. SS
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Awesome post. Awesome side light setup. Itās starting to look like reality - a photo tent SHOULD beat an auto tent. You are gonna have great cola density, a distinct advantage to your grow style. Iāll give you that. Your tech is a larger advantage than I thought now that I see it all in action. Fuck. I really might get served up here. Nice grow so far Nick, better than I expected, Iāll admit.Day #28
Final Home
Thereās a song at the bottom.
Feels like Iāve been slow. Flip on day #35 I guess. Maybe #40, thatās what I did last grow in here. Harvested today at 100.
They are in their final home, which its self is nearly finished. Mulling some more side lights. Thereās a little bit of airflow management as well. Lots of 5000K cool white light. Recover today. They were fed 5 hours late. Then by Tuesday morning I reckon Iāll see a growth spurt.
Carmen Plan
BBM - OGK - BBK ā
ā- BBK - BBM - OGK
BBK - BBK - BBK ā-
ā- BBK - OGK - OGK
Solos left side:
BBK
OGK
Top when they look a bit more settled.
They look a little rag tag. They spent most the evening with the door the tent open watching the last generation getting chopped. And then ushered into that killing field themselves.
For me? I love the next 5 weeks. This is it. Iām shuffling in little a deeper in the seat. Roll my shoulders. Stretch my neck. The window open half a smoke in my fingers, ash trailing out, whipped by the wind. Adjust the seat with a whir and a click. Turn the music a little higher, the air a little cooler adjust the box back and press the gas slowly down, feeling the engines gradually spin up, the rumble builds. Jink a little, test the wheels, a slow breath deep. Then. Release. Flick the smoke.
Push. Push through the horizon. Homcoming.
Nick
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Soā¦not really Dixie cups. Two of what most think of as Solos and all the others in small .75 gallon pots that you call Solos. That about right?How big do you like āem Shed?
The 12 in the pallet are 110oz/0.75 Gallon - 3 litres. The two in cup holders are 16oz - 400ml standard.
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Thanks for clarifying. Yes your second point was mine. Thatās why it increases yield. Plus every bud you trim is so sweet. Lol. Makes trimming a lot more palatable.
Yes!
Hereās some I harvested earlier. Standard in red.
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Hi @Roy Growin - I run 24/0 until the stretch, then 20/4 to the end. I believe that autos want as much light as you can give them. Sure 12/12 will always work for autos as will any light schedule. I find their size is proportional to light hours to a certain extent so I like many hours and I never grow them outdoors. The tent Iām currently working has been on 24/0 since the beginning.
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Ahā¦the first person to make clear who they believe is going to win this thing. So you agree with Nick, eh @SSgrower? The photo guy will win? Heās gonna smoke me? Okay. If you think so. Letās see who smokes who. Iāve never seen a more cocky dude in a contest than this guy Nick. Nothing makes me happier than humbling a cocky fool. Especially when they talk as much shit as Nick. Even my buddies, and Nick is most definitely one, see no mercy from me if thatās how they want to play it. Iāve been tempering my shit talking with periodic reality checks, while widdle Nicky just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on. So fair enough. A vote for team Nick. Thatās where the smart money is anyway. Some believe.
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Yup. You donāt grow Solos. You grow small pots. But since hyperbole is one of your specialties, you go ahead and keep pretending theyāre Solos.
Yes!
Hereās some I harvested earlier. Standard in red.
I suppose in my little space I'm not after big plants, just an optimal ratio of bud oz per litre of coco, currently about 1:1 which is ok for me
Another question: do you think 12hrs of 400w lighting has the same result as 24hrs of 200w light?
Or no difference?
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This may be it for me today, today is a mom PT in home appt day which are my longest. So since my tent is getting really full, hereās a picture from overhead of a few of the girls.
First is the beastly Gorilla Cookies in a ten of coco on week five of Cyco nutes starting tomorrow. Sheās in the back corner.
Second is the Bruce Banner #3, also in a 10 of coco but on week four of Remo nutes. She continues to stretch and pistilate, and is dead center in the tent.
First is the beastly Gorilla Cookies in a ten of coco on week five of Cyco nutes starting tomorrow. Sheās in the back corner.
Second is the Bruce Banner #3, also in a 10 of coco but on week four of Remo nutes. She continues to stretch and pistilate, and is dead center in the tent.
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Hmmā¦interesting question. Never considered that angle before. Iād have to say itās too dependent on what light weāre talking about to answer that simply. Wanna list a bit more info and Iāll ponder that and get back to you? Thatās a really good question and it hit me immediately as a potential light bulb question. Iāll do some research as well when mom takes a nap and try to give you my best answer cuz now I want to know that as well. A lot of folks are going to respond to this with a DLI based answer, and that may indeed be where the answer lies, not sure.
Question for you? Have you done it both ways? If so what was the result?
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This is funny. I hadnāt checked my ppfd in a while on this plant and it was starting to not pray up enough. I checked it. 1527. OMG. Thank god the Skywalker likes high ppfd (I learned last grow) or she would be fried. I lowered it to 1100. Lmao.Skywalker Backup
Ever since the photo Skywalker I grew last grow Iāve really fallen for the strain. It is delightful and a smoke whenever type strain. Tasty. And in terms of growing it itās one of the easiest plants Iāve ever grown. Last one was my first, I have two more now. One is in the soil/3/Geo setup in the tent, one is here. The backup bedroom closet Skywalker under the mighty NextLight 420h, one of my favorite lights. Awesome light. I have their Mega Pro 640 watt beast in box, unopened, for a new 4x4 when I move. The 420h is my favorite light to use for my 3x3, as itās just a bit much for a 3x3 but easily controlled. Perfect. You can crank or withdraw with ease and itās infinite sweep on the best dimmer I have on any of my lights. Anyway, Iāve done exactly zero here til two days ago when she got topped and thatās all Iām doing. Hopefully I have enough time left in veg for more catchup. Iād love for the lower branches to catch up to the topping but Skywalker has fairly longish internodal and it doesnāt quite appear she will. A bit too far since the tent Skywalker is going into flower and that means this one will follow in the next five or six days (same pack of seeds, identical plant, likely identical pheno, no reason not to expect the same behavior and timing pretty much). I will lower the tops to create a flat canopy but Iām going to eliminate all side branching on this one and see how big I can get the colas. No middle buds. No side branching. And stripped perhaps to the point where all I get is the colas. Itās something @InTheShed does to perfection. For anyone here who wants to really learn how to max your yield on the defoliation/flarf removal side, Shed is a master and I give him credit for the model I now use. I just had no choice but to vote for him AGAIN in PLOTY. Take a look at that plant and the colas. You donāt get that by accident, and to create it, in my opinion, requires more consistent attention and keeping up on than just about any other aspect of maintenance in flower. Ok Shed, Iām done, hope you enjoyed your Sunday ass kissing.
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Btw - I like your ratio assessment and the fact that youāre thinking about that. I push that too far sometimes. At this point I tend to agree with you in terms of 1:1. That seems to be the sweet spot or something close to that.
Thatās awesome thinking. - never thought about it like that. Plus its metric!
Cheers Roy.
Yes I have tried both ways with pretty much the same results as far as I can tell
Folk talk about optimal DLI and all that guff, but how much better is optimal? Is it even measurable?
I'm talking about pro grade light with a dimmer; is it simply a sliding scale of w x hrs = energy hence there is little difference? Seems so to me without needing any DLI calculations, provided the lamp is sufficiently powerful in the first place
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Itās an especially important consideration in organics Iāve learned, and I already have come to believe that what Iāve learned in organics about the relationship between pot size and number of tops (thatās what weāre talking about here really) must also be true for any non hydro medium. The volume of medium can support whatever you do. But if you try say, 24 tops in a three gallon pot, you will get shit and small buds. You have asked too much of the plant given the volume her non light food source. However, a three does an 8 cola plant pretty well. Threes suck ass for anything, just an example. Lmao. Royās 1:1 likely begins with 8 tops or close, yes Roy?
Yep, thereabouts
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Cuz while one might choose an *actual* 1:1 in a 10 or 15 and shoot for say 12 or 16 colas respectively (even Iād probably never be able to bring myself to go that low, but at the actual 1:1), I canāt imagine going less than 8 in a 7, 5, or (ugh) 3. And even in a 7 I have not yet displayed the discipline to go 8.
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Hey @NickHardy - I was thinking back to when we first started discussing this. Seems like so long ago when in fact it was only six weeks. And now here we are, separated by only 2 days (me - 27/you - 29, yes?) on our respective grows in an auto/photo battle. It worked out exactly as planned. Almost to the letter. How we pulled that off is beyond me as we are both more lucky than good, lol. So you should take a bow. Nice work.
I also remember that I was telling you that I was going to create a full and corner to corner canopy in my 5x5 from 9 autos and it would be so well done that youād barely be able to tell one plant from another. I said Iād use six different strains and Iād include 3 strains (6 plants, 2/3 of my tent) Iād never grown before. I said Iād mix 4 organics with 5 coco plants. I said Iād use 10s for autos for the first time ever. I even said Iād use three distinctly different grow mediums/combinations, and just to make it even more difficult Iād toss in two coco/hydro setups which I have only tried one time.
You laughed me out of the room. Remember? You were game but told me Iād have no shot, and you even tried to get me to go photo vs photo. āTo make it fair,ā you said. Remember that? You could barely get the words out you were laughing so hard. Remember?
Hey Nickā¦.guess what?
Itās more than fair with autos. I am most definitely not the best auto grower around. But I am also most definitely good enough to beat you.
Just sayinā¦.
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I also remember that I was telling you that I was going to create a full and corner to corner canopy in my 5x5 from 9 autos and it would be so well done that youād barely be able to tell one plant from another. I said Iād use six different strains and Iād include 3 strains (6 plants, 2/3 of my tent) Iād never grown before. I said Iād mix 4 organics with 5 coco plants. I said Iād use 10s for autos for the first time ever. I even said Iād use three distinctly different grow mediums/combinations, and just to make it even more difficult Iād toss in two coco/hydro setups which I have only tried one time.
You laughed me out of the room. Remember? You were game but told me Iād have no shot, and you even tried to get me to go photo vs photo. āTo make it fair,ā you said. Remember that? You could barely get the words out you were laughing so hard. Remember?
Hey Nickā¦.guess what?
Itās more than fair with autos. I am most definitely not the best auto grower around. But I am also most definitely good enough to beat you.
Just sayinā¦.
Day 27