Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig

Wastei said:
I haven't looked at any trichomes for 15+ years. For me it's a "chasing your tail" practice where the grower look for reasons to harvest early.

There's inherited flaws like some parts of the flowers ripe way earlier than others and you're only able to look at trichomes closest to the light source and the outer elements. It's impossible to see ripeness on the trichomes inside of the flowers.

There's better markers for ripeness like pistil and flower cluster maturity but I believe many people start at the wrong end with chasing ambers.
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As a new grower, I’m not looking for reasons to harvest early, I’ve put a ton of money, time, and effort into this grow and am looking for when the best time to harvest is. I’ve read a ton of information on it, and there are a lot of opinions with just as many people saying those opinions are wrong. The one thing I have seen consistently is that whoever says another persons method is wrong, fails to provide a better more definitive method. It’s too dammed confusing. I can see pistol and tric color.. so, until I have better more definitive indicators, that’s all I have to work with.
 
Olddog Newtrick said:
As a new grower, I’m not looking for reasons to harvest early, I’ve put a ton of money, time, and effort into this grow and am looking for when the best time to harvest is. I’ve read a ton of information on it, and there are a lot of opinions with just as many people saying those opinions are wrong. The one thing I have seen consistently is that whoever says another persons method is wrong, fails to provide a better more definitive method. It’s too dammed confusing. I can see pistol and tric color.. so, until I have better more definitive indicators, that’s all I have to work with.
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There's always the method that no on can argue with: testers. Take a piece of a bud, dry it (fast or less fast) and try it out. That won't taste great and might make you cough from the green-ness, but it will let you know how it hits and generally how long it lasts at the current state.
 
InTheShed said:
There's always the method that no on can argue with: testers. Take a piece of a bud, dry it (fast or less fast) and try it out. That won't taste great and might make you cough from the green-ness, but it will let you know how it hits and generally how long it lasts at the current state.
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Yeah, I’m screwed there as well. I can’t smoke till mid May.
 
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Gets me high. Chatting a dispensary owners tonight. Smoked some 60% weird albino kief coated product.

We’re both like - nothing in the shops is sticky like you get as a grower.

Tested. Whatever.

Looks pretty? Whatever.

Mad THC numbers? Whatever.

Grew it your self and been handled 20x less en route to your body?

Priceless.
 
But will you take MasterCard?
 
Olddog Newtrick said:
As a new grower, I’m not looking for reasons to harvest early, I’ve put a ton of money, time, and effort into this grow and am looking for when the best time to harvest is. I’ve read a ton of information on it, and there are a lot of opinions with just as many people saying those opinions are wrong. The one thing I have seen consistently is that whoever says another persons method is wrong, fails to provide a better more definitive method. It’s too dammed confusing. I can see pistol and tric color.. so, until I have better more definitive indicators, that’s all I have to work with.
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As a general rule as a new grower I think you should add at least a month on expected flowering time. About 12-16 weeks from flip that is.

Forget about marketed days. No plant is done after 8 weeks from flip as an example but you'll see new growers reference marketed days and confirm it with ambers they see in the loupe/microscope.

A stressed plant may ripe pre-maturely on the surface but it doesn't mean it's done or flowered to its full potential. If you want to use a loupe I wouldn't first look for ambers, I would look for the amount of fully swelled and milky trichomes with about 30% of them being ambers. There should be very little to no clear trichomes at harvest.

It's also down to personal preference. Some like to harvest earlier than other for different flavours and effects.
 
Wastei said:
As a general rule as a new grower I think you should add at least a month on expected flowering time. About 12-16 weeks from flip that is.

Forget about marketed days. No plant is done after 8 weeks from flip as an example but you'll see new growers reference marketed days and confirm it with ambers they see in the loupe/microscope.

A stressed plant may ripe pre-maturely on the surface but it doesn't mean it's done or flowered to its full potential. If you want to use a loupe I wouldn't first look for ambers, I would look for the amount of fully swelled and milky trichomes with about 30% of them being ambers. There should be very little to no clear trichomes at harvest.

It's also down to personal preference. Some like to harvest earlier than other for different flavours and effects.
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I disagree on the 8 weeks from flip - a lot! Like really a lot of the US multi state (can't tranship between states in the US ) will only grow strains bred for 8 weeks exactly. They breed for it. Flip the lights and 56 days later harvest 120 plants.

Whether or not that is preferable, may not grow the best weed but the 36% (44% total) weed at King Farms in Cali - they are strictly 8 weeks. Got an amazing strain takes nine weeks> Cool story brah! What you got that is 8 weeks? - essentially its factory settings to suit your ERP and therefore your Accounts department - there are strains that produce their best at 8 weeks post light change.

But that's commercial.
 
NickHardy said:
I disagree on the 8 weeks from flip - a lot! Like really a lot of the US multi state (can't tranship between states in the US ) will only grow strains bred for 8 weeks exactly strains. They breed for it.

Whetehr or not that is preferable - essentially its factory settings to suit your ERP and therefore your Accounts department - there are strains that produce their best at 8 weeks post light change.

But that's commercial.
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All commercial stuff I've bought has been harvested too early. I get very little to no effect from it.

Most people don't smoke daily and medical grade is often too strong for most users.
 
I tell you what - that White Snow stuff nearly worth the price of the ticket. Mega energy.

Now on to "Night Moves"

20% Sat 80% Indica

26%!

Oh wow!

I've been mentioning Exotic Genetixs and winning prizes galore with low testing weed? Washington State?

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So I have I presume some local grown "Night Moves"

They put their testing result ups, certificates from Nevada.

Pretty sure that doesn't say 34%

But most winningest Cannabis Strain Winners?


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To be honest - there might be some legal wheeze here! But I have 4% CBD and 3% THC weed that knocks me out!

Any ideas?

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NickHardy said:
I tell you what - that White Snow stuff nearly worth the price of the ticket. Mega energy.

Now on to "Night Moves"

20% Sat 80% Indica

26%!

Oh wow!

I've been mentioning Exotic Genetixs and winning prizes galore with low tsting weed? Washington State?

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So I have I presume some local grown "Night Moves"

They put their testing result ups, certificates from Nevada.

Pretty sure that doesn't say 34%

But most winningest Cannabis Strain Winners?


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To be honest - there might be some legal wheeze here! But I have 4% CBD and 3% THC weed that knocks me out!

Any ideas?
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Is that $75 a seed or is it 6 seeds. :lot-o-toke: 🍋
 
NickHardy said:
To be honest - there might be some legal wheeze here! But I have 4% CBD and 3% THC weed that knocks me out!
Any ideas?
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It's odd they don't break out THCa and THC in the test (as Anresco does) because there should actually be very little THC in fresh flower. The only THC flowers I had tested came in at 0.51 THC and 14.25% THCa (results here). But with their total cannabinoids at 0.034% it seems to be about the same as a carrot!
 
This is the company that produces the machines that we use to test.

I think our local tester has gamed some of our tests lower. Non famers have told us. But seriously? they marked us down form say 17% to 13% on some stuff! Whatever!

If Gemmacert sold machines that consistently read 25% plus THC plus plus Gemmacert would sell more machines. Their entry level is $3000 and their proper one is $5000. Its seems pretty good - they know the potential error to a full spectrogram and mark to mark against those. Its for inhouse testing major farms and decent dispensaries. I'm really tempted to get one but $5k is a commercial fuck ton of money. Its about 500 tests break even. 400 I guess with shipping to Bangkok from now on.

That's just $12.50 a test.

And what price peace of mind!

Maybe the $3000 one. But that's 6 boss level lights!

What a wicked web we weave/when we flatter to deceive

Weed was all 4-5% back in the 70s and 80's. Now its in the teens 17-21&% which is a big difference.

35% - yeah whatever - it doesn't actually do anything interesting.

High THC Strains: Myths vs. Fact

Is it possible for new cannabis varieties with a high THC potency, the primary psychoactive compound, to be in the low 30s or even higher?
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I think me The Terp King and The Farmer are going to trial a podcast type thing next week. We're on three different continents growing three different styles as of next week. We'll see. Farmer is up for it. We mostly tell TTK what to do 😂

It certainly ain't gonna be a for profit thing but we'll see how structured we can keep it. The strength of weed versus terps and stuff is a decent starting point for the three of us to start arguing! We're on different continents so its pretty safe.

Call me Loki though.
 
InTheShed said:
But will you take MasterCard?
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Nah - You come to Thailand Visa generally OK. Amex and I guess Mastercard (I have Amex) are like 5* hotels only. International stores in shopping malls only.

Covid with lockdowns the card companies charging $20 a month rental plus 3% commission on sales?
Everyone sent them back.

So now everyone scans. Just a QR card to scan with you Thai only banking app instant.

Every shop or person. Scan.

Visa and Mastercard (I guess but no one has Mastercard here) not really compatible. But I can tap my Thai card or my Hong Kong Issued Amex (First ever Amex overseas office was Hong Kong!) in Cambodia or Penang and its approved in 3 seconds. Wave pay or whatever. In Thailand? 30 seconds and usually need put my PIN in which is annoying.

Cash is my fave but really its all scan here. Not tourist friendly though. Tourists want cash to be happy. Theft is almost unheard of so wandering around with a few $1000 USD not an issue.
 
Thanks. I asked because you were quoting a MasterCard advertisement. ;)
 
Olddog Newtrick said:
As a new grower, I’m not looking for reasons to harvest early, I’ve put a ton of money, time, and effort into this grow and am looking for when the best time to harvest is. I’ve read a ton of information on it, and there are a lot of opinions with just as many people saying those opinions are wrong. The one thing I have seen consistently is that whoever says another persons method is wrong, fails to provide a better more definitive method. It’s too dammed confusing. I can see pistol and tric color.. so, until I have better more definitive indicators, that’s all I have to work with.
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WooHoo!
Not to complicate things, BUT....

There is NO correct answer!

And like InTheShed mentioned, Testers!

I found that I personally don't like Amber! This McFreakingAwesome medicine helped me eliminate Codeine for my Chronic Pain!!! So I medicate often throughout the day. But I need to be able to get things done! Couch Lock is not my friend. It really depends on YOUR personal preference/needs.
 
InTheShed said:
Saw that but they already put the percent sign in there: 0.034%.

:popcorn:
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I flicked through some other tests. Maybe I'm misreading the ones that look like 13% as being 130%?

Double checked the "does the decimal place look possible"
 
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