Amy Gardner Of Eden: Perpetually Organic

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Great work helping out your NL, she looks much improved already! And that sour bubba is just beautiful, isn’t she?! Great work Amy

 

[BeezLuiz]

I have hopes that I was right about the pot thing - pressure/structure etc. and we will be plain sailing for the next few weeks as it finishes.

Super interesting that having the bottom of the pot slightly deeper would make a difference, but hopefully that's it.

Early Miss is 50 days from sprout and nearly done making me some fat little buds!

She's a cute little thing!

I’ve never grown one that expressed this well and I adore it when plants take this kind of shape with a large central cola

Looks great, and according to @Liquidintel his looks similar in color (probably a week or two behind yours). We'll be watching yours closely.

 

[candycane]

As always you have some really beautiful gals and beautiful photography

 

[FelipeBlu]

There’s no way ot was drying out that fast - it was still heavy woth water when it dropped like this. Wet or dry or half dry... didn’t matter much. After the rescue drench it did the same.

so there I was looking at it, and looking at the Early Miss and DDA in the same pots with the same soil looking awesome. ... They’re exactly the same...

...wait! No they’re not!

When we were building the pots, one of them had the base-plate put in one row lower than it should be. At the time I didn’t want ot empty it and refill and I now distinctly remember saying “oh well, we will find out if it makes any difference”. Maybe I’m finding that out.

Air-Pots® instructions are always careful to say up front that “it’s important to construct the pots correctly according to the instructions” (they never elaborate - just say it’s important).

So when I was looking at it, figuring, and racking my brains as to what other kind of root issue could possibly make a plant do this and still grow kinda ok and it just seemed like It had to be something structural and that’s when I remembered the pot.

That was days ago that I had this (assumed) realisation and I had to wait until yesterday to do anything about it so I had help.

I’m having a little trouble understanding this. So you gave the roots more room, and in an area where the cone holes are larger, right? And there’s no reservoir - just open air below the bottom screen. Why do you think that the drooping was the apparent result of this?

 

[Amy Gardner]

lovin' those fat buds on the Early Miss and your Sour Bubba is just gorgeous!

Thanks Krip! I’m excited about the sour bubba that’s for sure. The autos are time-space-fillers for bonus buds as I get the 11/13 perpetual going, so the SB is the star starter

Great work

thanks Heavenly

sour bubba is just beautiful, i

Isn’t she! I’m stoked to flip lights on Monday

according to @Liquidintel his looks similar in color (probably a week or two behind yours). We'll be watching yours closely.

As always you have some really beautiful gals and beautiful photography

Thanks candy - the garden and Camera are my lifeline and I’m really pleased the passion shows and is shared!

I’m having a little trouble understanding this. So you gave the roots more room, and in an area where the cone holes are larger, right? And there’s no reservoir - just open air below the bottom screen. Why do you think that the drooping was the apparent result of this?

Yes you’re right and I’m still speculating really. It could easily be a case of correlation and not cause.

I do know for certain it’s a root zone issue and I have other plants in the same soil with the same everything which are super fine. That pot construction thing was a big difference to the root zone and the only one apart from the training so I decided it was a possibility.

The manufacturers say Clearly that the pots won’t work right unless they are constructed strictly per the directions - so that got me wondering if I was discovering why.

it may even have been the combination of that and the training, or even just the training.

All yesterday it looked better, spent the middle of the day looking fully electrically charged like it never has, quite spectacular actually.

It then dropped a little bit end of day and is droopy again this morning, but not to extremes. We’ll see how it goes as it dries out. It may be too late to fully rectify - not a lof new root growth in the final weeks so what’s there is what I’ve got for the duration now.

so yeah - I may well be wrong, but it seems possible at least that the pot structural design is such that it keeps osmotic pressure, or water retention, or some other element related to soil/root structure, in the required zone, or something...

For me the most interesting part was looking at it and seeing a plant that was obviously thriving in every other way except for the massive droop. I just kept having the repeated thought “it’s totally fine, it just can’t stand up” (followed by the thought that that sounds a bit like me! ).

I just peeked again and it is waking up - so hopefully this morning’s droop is just that, a bit of a slow start to the day...

Speaking of... I’m gearing up for a nice Saturday morning wake-n-bake.

If anyone wants to join me w some sativa that’d be awesome Im hanging out! .... it’s ok, patience grasshopper, Panama is coming and Sour Bubba should fit that bill to some extent as well... meantime I’ll take any and all sativa donations!

 

[013]

Hi Amy,

Early Miss for the win! I have those same air pots. I never saw the proper way but consider this. The main difference is the orientation of the central bottom disc. (I.E. point the concave up or down) Best I can tell the disc could be turned either way - but yes it would matter if the disc is placed on the very bottom row of inward spikes or if placed on the second or third row to create more air gap.

I actually like having the concave pointing down to get more air to center of the rootball and skip to second row front bottom. Just my opinion. But the facts are - roots love air but cannot be exposed to light.

I’ve been going over your seed suggestions and updating my wish list. I’m getting excited about that!

Hope you get it sorted.

 

[Amy Gardner]

Hmmm - I’ve always thought the concave curve of the base was an important element for drainage. But if you’ve flipped it over with no ill-effects then maybe it really doesn’t matter.

On a different note... “he who hesitates is lost” is the classic saying. “She who hesitates misses out on the last Cobalt Blue Jane West upright bubbler available in Australia” is how it manifests in my world today! Bugger!

I’ve saved for it. I found one. I waited - it was on eBay, the only authorised seller there for GRAV glass. Why did I wait? What a doofus

Initially I thought I would buy direct, and it took me that long to realise that GRAV don’t ship outside US. I went back to eBay just now and it’s sold out

I might have to get creative... there are local distributors for GRAV. None of them have that piece tho. I’ll need to get on the phone. Now I’m on a Saturday morning mission to find a bong!

 

[Mr. Krip]

That one plant may just be experiencing some transplant shock. You can try some Destress and see if it helps. Goodluck on the GRAV!

 

[Amy Gardner]

I transplanted it to address the problem and it is better since then . I was using de stress all through it’s training ... the major issue was happening in the previous pot.

GRAV!

it’s just a bong really... but you know, I was all set to get it and excited and then... poof! It was gone

I’m a little bit over the ‘surprise‘ now. Had my breakfast, that helps . I do have a vaporiser upgrade in the post already as well - gee, it’s been on its way for a very long time now - so I’ve no complaints! Really!

I do have many, many blessings

 

[syenite]

Very curious. Was there anything you could tell about the root system while you were transplanting?

Regardless, glad the plant is doing better now!

 

[FelipeBlu]

it seems possible at least that the pot structural design is such that it keeps osmotic pressure, or water retention, or some other element related to soil/root structure, in the required zone, or something...

I don’t know enough either, but I understand that the height of the perched water level (PWL) in a container is not related to the shape of the container, but rather the fineness of the medium.

Most plants, including cannabis, do not like to grow roots into the permanently saturated zone below the PWL. It’s like the reservoir in a hempy bucket.

Moisture in a medium is always subject to 2 opposing forces - gravity and capillary. A fine-grained material, like fine sand or silt, has a much higher capillary force due to the high surface tension between closely-spaced particles.

Conversely, there will be no PWL in a medium gravel (particles >1/2 inch) since the effect of gravity is much higher than the puny capillary force between larger particles that are less in contact with each other. (However, it’s a mistake to believe that placing gravel in the bottom of the pot will improve drainage - the PWL is set by the finer material on top of it - the gravel just reduces room in the pot).

As I understand it, the airpot design relies on a compacted fine-grained compost, which naturally has a higher PWL. If the bottom of the pot is raised, it only reduces the useable volume available for the roots above the PWL.

I still don’t see how lowering the base would result in unhappy roots. They should have more room to play.

At this point, I’m going to agree with Krip - that it’s just pouty from the transplant.

 

[Amy Gardner]

You’re right that DeStress should continue tho, and I’d forgotten about it, so thanks!

 

[Amy Gardner]

Was there anything you could tell about the root system while you were transplanting?

Wasn’t about to spend anytime checking TBH - it felt precarious having it out of the pot at all. The edges were super super dry. That’s an AirPor thing - technically you don’t need to transplant, you can just plant them inside another pot. I didn’t want to do that cause I hadn’t built the pot right...

So no, I didn’t notice anything - except how dry it was.

 

[Amy Gardner]

pouty from the transplant.

You guys!! It was pouty before the transplant.

 

[Amy Gardner]

still don’t see how lowering the base would result in unhappy roots. They should have more room to play.

I’d have thought exactly that too. Which is why I just left it when I noticed, back when I was prepping the pots.

I’m only speculating is all - that and the training are the only difference between that one that couldn’t stand up and the others.

Whatever it is I may never truly know...

 

[FelipeBlu]

You guys!! It was pouty before the transplant.

Well, there ya are then - it’s just pouty period!

 

[Radogast]

Looks great, Amy!
I'm lovin' those fat buds on the Early Miss and your Sour Bubba is just gorgeous!

Early Miss has been added to my autoflower shopping list.

Is Sour Bubba a photo period? If so, may I ask from who?

 

[Radogast]

You know.

Sometimes soil has these moments when it doesn't want to uptake water, or it is locally compacted.

A little transplant may just have shook loose whatever soil blockage was causing the plant to lose rigor.

Just a guy in a room spitballing. No science behind my theory, so not even a real theory ~grin~

 

[Amy Gardner]

not even

Everything’s on the table!

Early Miss has been added to my autoflower shopping list.

Is Sour Bubba a photo period? If so, may I ask from who?

Yes it’s a photoperiod. A cross by @katsubluebird of his Pre ‘98 Bubba Kush and East Coast Sour Diesel (a special cut of that too but I can’t remember which right now).

You can buy direct from him I think. But Neptune carry his stuff.

 

[XxBENTxX]

Amy,

Your garden is amazing and I’m jealous of your Early Miss. I have 1 going outdoors, 63 days in but looks to have 4-5 weeks to go.