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I really want to avoid super cropping if i can but it might be unavoidable at this rate.
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Kriaze
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Damn that's a lot of stretch Cultivator. Does this phase affect yield and will those buds fill out as they would with tighter nodes? Sorry if this is a really noob question (I know you pull yield) but it occurred to me while reading that trying for tight nodes all the time might be counterproductive, I know that I try for them and my yields are laughable, although I do enjoy the grow lol.
pino0911
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Is that the lil bit iextra stretch u get from those dual spec bulbs? Or r u using str8 hps to flower? Hey cult quick question jus came cross a botanicare ebb flow system only has a 2x4 tray with a 10 gallon res. Plan on putting airtime in rez for oxygen n keep things cool. Would u only run two big plants in the tray or sea of green which I really don't care for yet. And also what medium would u use nets with hydroton or cubes, then would u put a one inch thick Coco matt under or a layer of hydroton? Thanks for any assistance!! Oh btw ur plants look very happy reaching n trying to grab the light!!
Slowpuffer
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The ones stretching, are acting like my strain of pineapple chunk, don't know when to stop attacking the light!! Want to ask you a couple questions about coco. What size pots or bags should I purchase, and how do you fight root rot? I see some of the systems have a bubbler dome in btm of planters, is this necessary ? I have my moms in 3 gal fabric bags, with 70% coco & 30% perlite. Using a plastic container for rez. (which is wrong shape, takes up too much room) and top feeding with small pump.
So My bloom room gets harvested around new year, which gives me a whole 3 weeks to gather materials. I'm thinking a 4 plant system for starters. Area is 4x4x6.5 tent. can't seem to locate a different coco, than the one, you dislike? Now that weed is legal in Ma., we'll see more brand names showing up !! 6 more days of prohibition !! Freedom at last !! Never did I think this would happen in Ma. !! Give me a game plan ? Anyhow man, hope things are good in your world !! And yea, think you're gonna have to bend them over a little . supercropping is good, except when you run into a strain like this pineapple chunk, which has hollow stems, and will collapse without support, just one pinch and the limb just lays over, but needs support till healed.
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These bulbs are dual spec hps and i use them start to finish. I used to use mh and full red hps but i get the best results with these bulbs.
The stretch isnt a problem other than height. These will be long fat buds most likely but we will see. I actually prefer lots of fist sized buds over the huge thisgh sized ones because less chance of bud rot.
Id just use hydroton. But a cocomat would work, ive never done it personally though. 2 plants be good. Your veg time will still be short. 2 weeks from clone or 3 max. Or 4/5 weeks from seed. Just bend alot.
Id go 20-25 litre so 5 or 6 gallon fabric pots. You dont ever need bigger pots than that growing indoor in coco. Id go straight coco and just run 4 drip lines if thats how you arr already set up. Yoi shouldnt get root rot in coco unless the bottom of pots are always sitting in run off or if feed too much from the bottom. Remind me what coco you use? IJust dont like supper cropping it affects yield and this strain when super cropped would need mega support and i dont have the space tonhave lines everywhere. But we see what happens.
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These bulbs are dual spec hps and i use them start to finish. I used to use mh and full red hps but i get the best results with these bulbs.
The stretch isnt a problem other than height. These will be long fat buds most likely but we will see. I actually prefer lots of fist sized buds over the huge thisgh sized ones because less chance of bud rot.
Id just use hydroton. But a cocomat would work, ive never done it personally though. 2 plants be good. Your veg time will still be short. 2 weeks from clone or 3 max. Or 4/5 weeks from seed. Just bend alot.
Id go 20-25 litre so 5 or 6 gallon fabric pots. You dont ever need bigger pots than that growing indoor in coco. Id go straight coco and just run 4 drip lines if thats how you arr already set up. Yoi shouldnt get root rot in coco unless the bottom of pots are always sitting in run off or if feed too much from the bottom. Remind me what coco you use? IJust dont like supper cropping it affects yield and this strain when super cropped would need mega support and i dont have the space tonhave lines everywhere. But we see what happens.
ohioboy
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People please hear me on this Monsanto owns botanicare your worried about big business and big pharm coming in and taking control well they've already started and anyone who buys there products is only gonna expedite matters. Ban botanicare = banning Monsanto
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ohioboy
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You read well so your educated you know your objective and from what I can tell $ isn't really that much of a concern at this point a.g. Half room set up. I agree 100% with cult on the closed room don't ever open those doors bro lol. You have obviously done your research and retained it and you seem to be "giddy" which is a good thing it shows excitement and interest in the work to come which means you'll have fun. That's important don't forget to have fun for most of us it's just a hobby for us not a market venture (although I would love to grow for a living lol ) so it's more personal you'll see once you've taken root and named your girls and begin to take care of them. My plants eat better than I do lol. Have fun tiger and I know you'll do great #global420
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Slowpuffer
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I'm using botanicare coco. I thought I read some where you don't like it because they sold out to monsanto ? I hear you on the loss of yield from supercropping . I personally haven't noticed any loss of yield, but it makes sense !! i only supercrop when absolutely necessary for leveling the canopy. I do defoil quite heavy at about 3 weeks, and any leaf blocking light, and I know it stunts growth for like 4 days, but within two weeks, I can't tell I defoiled. Why don't you like the addition of perlite ? I'm gonna use old milk crates(cut into 5 pieces, for underneith the fabric planters, then set them into 34 inch long plastic tubs, made to slip under the bed for storage. That way, I can vacuum out the runoff. One thing for sure cultivator, shit grows much quicker in coco, than in soil mix,' much quicker,' !! you see, I've been vegging for two months or longer, to get a decent size plant to bloom, now I can invision cutting that in 1/2 time !! Just wish I could keep it organic !! The other thing I need to buy is the air pump & stones, what do you suggest ? Low noise is a must for me!! And I'm wondering if a single stream of water going into top of planter is ok, or should I have more than one stream ? I just proof read this, and I confess to asking a lot of newby questions !! Thank you for being who you are !!
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Im not sure about the botanicare to be honest, i havent used it so cant comment. You dont need perlite in quality coco. If you run straight coco theres no need for run off either. You can use ring drippers that cover the whole pot which would be better but arrow drippers are fine. There shouldnt be any noise from dripper pump. Also instead of air stone use a small aquarium pump to circulate the water in the tank. Its quiet and it not only aerates the mix, it will stop the nutes seperating and creating layers better than an airstone. Vegging is a very fast affair in coco. My plants have minimum trebled in size in 19days since 12/12 and this is normal in coco. No need to veg forever, infact that can cause more problems with crappy bud cramped together unless growing with good space and light. I find over years of growing that 4 plants per 600-1000w light gives best yields and quality and ive tried alot of different techniques indoors.
Slowpuffer
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But then we'd have to pay !!You would make a great grow consultant cult,
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I dont mind, i accept cash in dollars, sterling or any major currency, credit or bank transfers 
CCOiler
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Bit Coins?? 
TigerbydaTail
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Thanks for the encouragement OhioBoy,
I have to admit I am a bit excited, I love to create/build things as when your done, you can look at all the time and effort and see an accomplishment with your name (avatar in this case) on it. The info on these threads is AMAZING and very detailed, and I have seen your handle on several of the threads. Thanks to you and Cultivator and all the rest for taking the time to help us noobs, as it takes the weirdness out of approaching someone in person (even if they are cool with it) for advice.
I am looking at this as a retirement play as I am a member of the half century club and have been for a few, so my objectives may be a bit different than some. Have had 3 spinal surgeries so I got in for the pain relief, but would like to build something I can putz with and make a couple of $'s, and supply my own needs.
All that said (sorry for the noob ramble lol) I still am unsure about turning the air in the room. I get that C02 needs to play well with the plants to work at all, and if you blow that out the vent that cant happen, so do I not turn the air? Just Humid/DeHumid? or is there a "normal" schedule to C02 then vent (light vs. night?) Hell that autta get some responses as from what I can tell even light schedules can cause a bar fight.
I can set up either way just don't want a room full of saggy girls cause they cant breath right. Any advice is appreciated....
I have to admit I am a bit excited, I love to create/build things as when your done, you can look at all the time and effort and see an accomplishment with your name (avatar in this case) on it. The info on these threads is AMAZING and very detailed, and I have seen your handle on several of the threads. Thanks to you and Cultivator and all the rest for taking the time to help us noobs, as it takes the weirdness out of approaching someone in person (even if they are cool with it) for advice.
I am looking at this as a retirement play as I am a member of the half century club and have been for a few, so my objectives may be a bit different than some. Have had 3 spinal surgeries so I got in for the pain relief, but would like to build something I can putz with and make a couple of $'s, and supply my own needs.
All that said (sorry for the noob ramble lol) I still am unsure about turning the air in the room. I get that C02 needs to play well with the plants to work at all, and if you blow that out the vent that cant happen, so do I not turn the air? Just Humid/DeHumid? or is there a "normal" schedule to C02 then vent (light vs. night?) Hell that autta get some responses as from what I can tell even light schedules can cause a bar fight.
I can set up either way just don't want a room full of saggy girls cause they cant breath right. Any advice is appreciated....
Slowpuffer
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I can tell you how I do it. I've never used co2. I have a 4x4x6.5 tent, with a 6 inch filter & duct fan. I hang then and vent out top into adjoining room. I have a 6 in. passive intake, sucking fresh air from nearby window. I mean, can't get much better than fresh air.
Slowpuffer
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paypal !! bottles of good whiskey ?? Ha !!I dont mind, i accept cash in dollars, sterling or any major currency, credit or bank transfers
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Theres 2 main ways to do it. Sealed room and extracted room with passive intake. Pros and cons to both ways but when all is said and done for indoor grows sealed rooms are best because you have control over every aspect of the grow, nothing is left to chance.
For a sealed room yoi need aircon, dehumidifier and co2 generator or bottles depending om room size. You would set your ro to run between 75-85f lights on and 60-65 lights off. Add co2 at interverals during lights on or a slow steady release. There is no extraction in a grow like this. You place a carbon filter and fan on the ceiling preferably and allow the air to be cleaned by the carbon filter but just recirculated around the room. Sealed rooms are great but are more expensive to run, done correctly you should always max out flowers to max per square meter and never get pests or bud rot.
An extracted room doesnt need added co2, its a waste, as is running aircon. The extractor fan should be changing all of the air in the space no less than 1x per minute. This works by pulling air through the room and out at an extraction point and having gaps or intakes in the room to allow for air to enter. Its a simple way to grow and costs less to run. But you must rely on weather and temps being in a good enough range to grow.
I would do all my grows in sealed rooms if i could. You have an ideal space for that set up but either way is fine.
For a sealed room yoi need aircon, dehumidifier and co2 generator or bottles depending om room size. You would set your ro to run between 75-85f lights on and 60-65 lights off. Add co2 at interverals during lights on or a slow steady release. There is no extraction in a grow like this. You place a carbon filter and fan on the ceiling preferably and allow the air to be cleaned by the carbon filter but just recirculated around the room. Sealed rooms are great but are more expensive to run, done correctly you should always max out flowers to max per square meter and never get pests or bud rot.
An extracted room doesnt need added co2, its a waste, as is running aircon. The extractor fan should be changing all of the air in the space no less than 1x per minute. This works by pulling air through the room and out at an extraction point and having gaps or intakes in the room to allow for air to enter. Its a simple way to grow and costs less to run. But you must rely on weather and temps being in a good enough range to grow.
I would do all my grows in sealed rooms if i could. You have an ideal space for that set up but either way is fine.
ohioboy
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I'm with cult here just wanna add that a sealed room grow is a lot more technical uses more machinery and set up costs are WAY more. But if your smart enough and have the cash it's the biggest beat bang for your buck. Now with that said I believe you (tiger) said you've never grown before ? I would suggest buying a light or two and running a 4-6 plant open room grow first then decide on what you wanna do. Theory is WAY different than application in this arena as in most keep that in mind I can't wait to see what you come up with be well#global420
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Last day of lights out I harvest in the am the purple is 85 days old the other is 77 days old both Fast Buds the purple is Crystal Meth the short stack is Stardawg
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