480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Don't give up on organic growing, Irish. It's actually easier once you get it wired.

Around here, the organic growers fall into two categories:

One group uses organic fertilizer in the water.

The other group (mostly me) builds up the soil and uses mostly straight water with a few additives here and there.

I'm pretty much the only guy amongst my circle of growers who concentrates on the soil.

The key, from what I've been able to read and learn, is to build the soil, which will be very acidic. You stabilize/buffer that with DL. This mixture must "cook" for 30 days or so in order for it to work. The DL take time to work. Also, things must be mixed VERY thoroughly, or you get hot spots in the soil....and those hot spots can be 2 gallons wide if you mix up several bags.

Since I pretty much specialize in unsolicited advice, why not try this: (use in bottom half of pot only)

Roots
tomato tone
bone meal
greensand
worm castings
compost
micronutes
humic acid conditioner
DL
Epsom salt.

The ratio's are in my journal somewhere. It works like magic for about 2 months, then you need to feed. Use a bigger pot, like 7 gallons, and you don't need to feed at all.

very cool Doc. sounds like a good super soil, and i agree with you is easier once things are dialed in. i am not giving up on organics now, just getting started. the good things is i have 2 room for this reason. a test room and a grow room

i talked to that XG company today and their building me a redone tea to try out agian, since theirs pooped out at 4 weeks in flower. my jacks are crazy feeders and need to be fed everyday because i have some much going on in the root zone.

i will have to check r thread for the ratios. ive been looking for a good recipe. ever look into glacier rock? should be really good to add to ur soil. i know ur not posting pics anymore, but sometime send me one on the PM side i miss that bud porn brother.

as always Doc thanks for the help, i am not giving up just trying to find my flow on the organics side. i have the chems dialed in pretty good, now its onto organics and ect.. i want to learn everything, and after seeing my jacks organics are the way to go, quality is so crazy! just looks like diamonds all over my buds! the smell and color is a whole new ball park from chems.

 

[DelSol]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Sorry for the noob question, but what is RO water?

 

[molotov]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

reverse osmosis

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Sorry for the noob question, but what is RO water?

water that has been purified through Reverse Osmosis

 

[DelSol]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

thanks guys.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

i remember you? ur using a 180w UFO right?

 

[The Butcher]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Don't give up on organic growing, Irish.....

...This mixture must "cook" for 30 days or so in order for it to work.

I agree with both these thoughts. First off..BeIrie and DocBud have stated the utmost truths. you both.

Just off my personal experience growing outdoors I amend the soil at the least a month prior to transplanting or sowing seeds into the soil. Additives need to be broken down in order for the effects to fully take place. "Hotspots" are created not only by a mixture of additives clumped up in once space. But also when organic additives haven't had enough time to properly breakdown.

Amending your soil takes time, as an example if using wood you need to let wood materials sit in their own compost pile for a whole year before adding them. If not then it will actually take Nitrogen out of the soil, thus not only throwing your plants off but your PH as well.

I'm still playing catchup, but did you let the soil set prior to using it? Just a thought, my suggest is if not then rather then scrapping the grow. Mix a batch of new soil let it set while you are working on the current issues. Trust me it makes a difference. I literally have tubs of soil with organic additives that will be used this next grow season. I've been doing this for some time now. Its the way I was taught, I'm sure there is some way of speeding the process using activators to help the breakdown. But care planning ahead has always helped me personally.

Your a (((Killer))) grower and have your game down, So it doesn't worry me that you'll get this equation worked out just fine.

 

[Doc Bud]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

very cool Doc. sounds like a good super soil, and i agree with you is easier once things are dialed in. i am not giving up on organics now, just getting started. the good things is i have 2 room for this reason. a test room and a grow room

i talked to that XG company today and their building me a redone tea to try out agian, since theirs pooped out at 4 weeks in flower. my jacks are crazy feeders and need to be fed everyday because i have some much going on in the root zone.

i will have to check r thread for the ratios. ive been looking for a good recipe. ever look into glacier rock? should be really good to add to ur soil. i know ur not posting pics anymore, but sometime send me one on the PM side i miss that bud porn brother.

as always Doc thanks for the help, i am not giving up just trying to find my flow on the organics side. i have the chems dialed in pretty good, now its onto organics and ect.. i want to learn everything, and after seeing my jacks organics are the way to go, quality is so crazy! just looks like diamonds all over my buds! the smell and color is a whole new ball park from chems.

I post pics! About once a week. The garden is gorgeous.....if I may say such things about my own plants.

Glacial Rock Dust is merely an imcomplete micronutrient source. Nothing wrong with it....works well....just make sure you got ALL the micros.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I agree with both these thoughts. First off..BeIrie and DocBud have stated the utmost truths. you both.

Just off my personal experience growing outdoors I amend the soil at the least a month prior to transplanting or sowing seeds into the soil. Additives need to be broken down in order for the effects to fully take place. "Hotspots" are created not only by a mixture of additives clumped up in once space. But also when organic additives haven't had enough time to properly breakdown.

Amending your soil takes time, as an example if using wood you need to let wood materials sit in their own compost pile for a whole year before adding them. If not then it will actually take Nitrogen out of the soil, thus not only throwing your plants off but your PH as well.

I'm still playing catchup, but did you let the soil set prior to using it? Just a thought, my suggest is if not then rather then scrapping the grow. Mix a batch of new soil let it set while you are working on the current issues. Trust me it makes a difference. I literally have tubs of soil with organic additives that will be used this next grow season. I've been doing this for some time now. Its the way I was taught, I'm sure there is some way of speeding the process using activators to help the breakdown. But care planning ahead has always helped me personally.

Your a (((Killer))) grower and have your game down, So it doesn't worry me that you'll get this equation worked out just fine.

i agree with you three. and no i new i should have planed my mix out ahead of time but things werent plan out good because i had to toss some plants and got some real fast and the soil wasnt mixed. i think this is my issue and the soil need a few weeks to kick in once micro life grows i should be able no have to PH and they will balance things out for me. they just need to grow and break down the organic matter and give it to my plants. my buddy had trouble in the same mix and his plants look real bad once 2 weeks hit, it was one and now his plants are growing like crazy and real green. his werent the same yellowing but had allot of problems still. i can see their trying to green up.

I post pics! About once a week. The garden is gorgeous.....if I may say such things about my own plants.

Glacial Rock Dust is merely an imcomplete micronutrient source. Nothing wrong with it....works well....just make sure you got ALL the micros.

my bad was looking at ur old grow.lol.

 

[DelSol]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

i remember you? ur using a 180w UFO right?

If this was meant for me, sorry, no. I'm new to the led scene and once I get the cash I'm going for Mike's 400w light. Thanks to guys like you and others (I'm reading Setting Sun's 300 led vs 400 hps right now) I'm convinced with the technology. Peace.

 

[Jozo-sha]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

If this was meant for me, sorry, no. I'm new to the led scene and once I get the cash I'm going for Mike's 400w light. Thanks to guys like you and others (I'm reading Setting Sun's 300 led vs 400 hps right now) I'm convinced with the technology. Peace.

Well, I've not used others besides Penetrators (not) and am just starting my grow with Mike's 395w units, but Irish Boy and Mike himself have shown the awesome job that those lights do. I'm sure you'll be pleased.

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Well, I've not used others besides Penetrators (not) and am just starting my grow with Mike's 395w units, but Irish Boy and Mike himself have shown the awesome job that those lights do. I'm sure you'll be pleased.

And those were all with the older models. We have the newer more awesomer 2011 395w units! This is gonna be fun!

"Trust me it makes a difference. I literally have tubs of soil with organic additives that will be used this next grow season."

How do you store tubs of organic soil without getting mold or drying out? I really want to premix my stuff and let it sit like you say, but I don't know how to store it once they come out of the bags.

 

[turttle]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

And those were all with the older models. We have the newer more awesomer 2011 395w units! This is gonna be fun!

"Trust me it makes a difference. I literally have tubs of soil with organic additives that will be used this next grow season."

How do you store tubs of organic soil without getting mold or drying out? I really want to premix my stuff and let it sit like you say, but I don't know how to store it once they come out of the bags.

IMO I would put them in containers like air tight garbage or water barrol(black)with lids with an air tight seal.Just enouph to keep the bugs out.But when you go to use it leave it bake in the sun.

Yeah any one out looking to buy leds you really half to do your home work.I only wish I had known about mikes lights before I made my purchase.Allthow my led performs pretty good I think mikes are pretty much the best performers on the market.There are a lot of lights out there that seem like they are going to work and work well until you flower and then ehhh they start to bud purdy flowers and well you know WHERE DA BUD AT.

 

[Jozo-sha]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

IMO I would put them in containers like air tight garbage or water barrol(black)with lids with an air tight seal.Just enouph to keep the bugs out.But when you go to use it leave it bake in the sun.

Since I know nothing about soil growing, I have a dumb question. If you mix/bake/cook up a nice batch of organic soil, is it drying out a bad thing just due to the death of microorganisms? I would think they're anaerobic, and require just enough moisture to survive, so I'd think turttle's suggestion would be spot on.

I think I like coco because it's like soil, but inert and hydro

 

[man0os]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hi Irish, I love follwing your growth!
Do you remember if you or the others LED guys here got as good results as BonsaiHero did on his 8. set-up: Total energy consumption, including timer and power supplies, for vegging and flowering is 82,3 KWH, 1.13 grams for each KWH.
His setup is very different from yours with no lenses and wider space between the diodes...

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

If this was meant for me, sorry, no. I'm new to the led scene and once I get the cash I'm going for Mike's 400w light. Thanks to guys like you and others (I'm reading Setting Sun's 300 led vs 400 hps right now) I'm convinced with the technology. Peace.

sorry buddy i new somone with almost the same name that had that light. its been a while and i thought that was you.lol.. smart move on the leds

Well, I've not used others besides Penetrators (not) and am just starting my grow with Mike's 395w units, but Irish Boy and Mike himself have shown the awesome job that those lights do. I'm sure you'll be pleased.

seems everyone likes his lights that has them

And those were all with the older models. We have the newer more awesomer 2011 395w units! This is gonna be fun!

"Trust me it makes a difference. I literally have tubs of soil with organic additives that will be used this next grow season."

How do you store tubs of organic soil without getting mold or drying out? I really want to premix my stuff and let it sit like you say, but I don't know how to store it once they come out of the bags.

ya it is going to be fun.

IMO lackof air is what makes mold, i would keep turning it and letting it breath, just like during ur trim leaves to prevent mold. not all molds are bad either, lots of fungi will make mold

IMO I would put them in containers like air tight garbage or water barrol(black)with lids with an air tight seal.Just enouph to keep the bugs out.But when you go to use it leave it bake in the sun.

Yeah any one out looking to buy leds you really half to do your home work.I only wish I had known about mikes lights before I made my purchase.Allthow my led performs pretty good I think mikes are pretty much the best performers on the market.There are a lot of lights out there that seem like they are going to work and work well until you flower and then ehhh they start to bud purdy flowers and well you know WHERE DA BUD AT.

yup ive learned the hard way, i tell everyone to do the same, study the lights before buying look for growers having good results. seems everyday i get a PM about other led lights and people asking my opinion about other ones ive never heard of or used, then they try to talk me into telling them their good and the main reason is because they cost less.. then a few months latter they are crying to me because the buds are small and fluffy. i dont get it? why not buy whats tested and proven and spend the little money up front and not in the long run? i guess to each is their own, i tried to help them.lol. if somone buys leds without doing their homework then chances are they are going to be sorry. most led companys are full of BS. the real funny ting is how every company said 1w leds with 4 colors were the best now after mikes lights everyone is using 3w leds with 12 colors. its real funny to me because ive been using leds from the getgo and see the change now since Mikes lights.

Since I know nothing about soil growing, I have a dumb question. If you mix/bake/cook up a nice batch of organic soil, is it drying out a bad thing just due to the death of microorganisms? I would think they're anaerobic, and require just enough moisture to survive, so I'd think turttle's suggestion would be spot on.

I think I like coco because it's like soil, but inert and hydro

lots of people bake their soil to kill buds and the bad stuff, but i would think its would kill the good guys also. i say get good quality soil and not worry about it.

coco is great just takes some learning on how to use it.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hi Irish, I love follwing your growth!
Do you remember if you or the others LED guys here got as good results as BonsaiHero did on his 8. set-up: Total energy consumption, including timer and power supplies, for vegging and flowering is 82,3 KWH, 1.13 grams for each KWH.
His setup is very different from yours with no lenses and wider space between the diodes...

i dont know bro, to be honest ive never really compared my results to others. i just do what i do and not pay attion to what others get. the most ive gotten from leds is 19.oz from 4 plants with mikes 600w light. better then what i did with my 1k HPS so it was good enough for me and my needs

 

[IrishBoy]

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you want to here some weak stuff? Age Old organics isnt fully organic! pisses me off. very miss leading. its organic base. i have a few bottles i just bought od this shit! i called them out on it. they changed their web site because they already got in trouble for saying they were 100% organic and had to remove that label from their products. General organics from GH isnt fully organic either. has salts also. this is why their NPK is so high. i think GH is more organic then AO. looks like earth Juice is the last of the true organic bottles nutes that ive heard good tings about. i really dont want to use AO now, seems half ass to go threw all that work to be organic and add a chem mix when i was trying to not even add PH down! i bet that feeding slowed down my micro life and messed things up. i dont think GH is as bad because you dont have to PH with their nutes because of the soil life will so salts must be low and not harm them. BS my friend.

just wanted to let some of you that are trying to go all organic know this important info

 

[Joebong]

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That sucks. I have been into organics for a while. Just sad to see them lying to make a buck. I strongly believe in honesty in marketing. Eventually if you do lie your going to lose your customers. Just tell us what it is and if we want to use it we will. All the hype make me nuts.

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

See told you all the bad stuff I've ever heard about Age Old came from you!

Sorry to hear they lied to us all though... Are you switching to Earth Juice soon then?

*Oops put in a link for another website forgetting where I was! Anyway what it was is me saying how I got a very helpful read from some group called 3 Little Birds about Earth Juice and how to use their line.