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IrishBoy said:
you want to here some weak stuff? Age Old organics isnt fully organic! pisses me off. very miss leading. its organic base. i have a few bottles i just bought od this shit! i called them out on it. they changed their web site because they already got in trouble for saying they were 100% organic and had to remove that label from their products. General organics from GH isnt fully organic either. has salts also. this is why their NPK is so high. i think GH is more organic then AO. looks like earth Juice is the last of the true organic bottles nutes that ive heard good tings about. i really dont want to use AO now, seems half ass to go threw all that work to be organic and add a chem mix when i was trying to not even add PH down! i bet that feeding slowed down my micro life and messed things up. i dont think GH is as bad because you dont have to PH with their nutes because of the soil life will so salts must be low and not harm them. BS my friend.

just wanted to let some of you that are trying to go all organic know this important info
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Sadly, your findings are correct. ALL organics will have salts in them, salt is organic. Although, I've been reading a lot lately about something called Veganics. Now this has NO SALT and is a very very stable way of growing. I am doing my fair share of reading about it currently, before diving in so-to-speak. I have a feeling this may be an awesome way to grow and avoid salt build ups altogether. Also, the microbes are said stop molds from growing with veganics, it can be used as a foliar feed to stop powdery types of mildew and such on the leaves. Sounds very promising so far. Veganics and microbial life in your medium go hand in hand. I'm getting excite to try this method.

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Hey Brother Irish!

I've been watching your fight against the yellow blight with interest, as I had some very similar symptoms when I planted in a "hot" mix... never fixed it, had to transplant them to plain coco and perlite and go with chem nutes.

This thread is always an education! Thanks to Irish and the vibe... :cheertwo:
 
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Hey Irish,

First time I have popped in to your thread, but have lurked for a while with your grows! The talk of EJ, caught my eye. I have switched to it, and love the results. It needed some tinkering, but I have dialed in my nute program. Just wanted to say that there is an awesome journal on 420, regarding organics. It is pretty intense, and I will say that I did learn a bunch from this journal. Has a good test with EJ too!

420 Magazine > THE GROW ROOM > Growers Forums > Indoor Soil Cultivation
A top nutrient study: Which is the best? Produces most?

I hope to be adding to the journal room starting in March, with a 2000W HGL grow - 6 Master Kush and 6 Chem Dog.

Good luck with finding the right organic program, it's a jungle out
there! :goodluck:

I'll be watching!

:popcorn:
 
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Joebong said:
That sucks. I have been into organics for a while. Just sad to see them lying to make a buck. I strongly believe in honesty in marketing. Eventually if you do lie your going to lose your customers. Just tell us what it is and if we want to use it we will. All the hype make me nuts.
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its miss leading but they say its organic base, just not on the bottle where u can see easy. Age old organics is just a company name, dosent mean it has to be organic, just like General organics is just a name, its all different then GH probably for legal reasons.
jdizzle22 said:
See told you all the bad stuff I've ever heard about Age Old came from you!

Sorry to hear they lied to us all though... Are you switching to Earth Juice soon then?

*Oops put in a link for another website forgetting where I was! Anyway what it was is me saying how I got a very helpful read from some group called 3 Little Birds about Earth Juice and how to use their line.
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:) you did here that from me.

no i am not going to use EJ right now on this grow because i already spent money on this AO and going to use it for a organic base grow i guess.lol. might either make my own teas or use the XG if they send me more. i still want to try General Organics line even though it has a little chems in it, they main thing is to use the micro life to help out their products. thats what i am all about! i just want to know if their enough chems in AO to hurt my micro life ive been working to build up. if i just waisted my time adding Mykos.
Nine Leafer said:
Sadly, your findings are correct. ALL organics will have salts in them, salt is organic. Although, I've been reading a lot lately about something called Veganics. Now this has NO SALT and is a very very stable way of growing. I am doing my fair share of reading about it currently, before diving in so-to-speak. I have a feeling this may be an awesome way to grow and avoid salt build ups altogether. Also, the microbes are said stop molds from growing with veganics, it can be used as a foliar feed to stop powdery types of mildew and such on the leaves. Sounds very promising so far. Veganics and microbial life in your medium go hand in hand. I'm getting excite to try this method.

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its not all slats in these some have chem also that arnt organic. but organic base. EJ is said to be salt free. organics laws are changing now, thats why allot of company's are loosing or lost their ORMI label

the veganics sounds cool, any cool link feel free to post them or PM them to me. i would like to read some on this

thanks brother.

by the way the General Organics line is vegan BioThrive
Silent Bob said:
Hey Brother Irish!

I've been watching your fight against the yellow blight with interest, as I had some very similar symptoms when I planted in a "hot" mix... never fixed it, had to transplant them to plain coco and perlite and go with chem nutes.

This thread is always an education! Thanks to Irish and the vibe... :cheertwo:
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ya it might come down to that. well it did with 2 of my plants. i too the 2 that are doing the worse and made them a test plant for some some called VF-11, a nother grower told me about, its all he uses in his FFOF soil and has great results. no one knows what it is like some super top secret agent stuff or something.lol. its cheap and at homedepot. said to green up ur plants and bring them back to life, we will see?
jeff1bar said:
Hey Irish,

First time I have popped in to your thread, but have lurked for a while with your grows! The talk of EJ, caught my eye. I have switched to it, and love the results. It needed some tinkering, but I have dialed in my nute program. Just wanted to say that there is an awesome journal on 420, regarding organics. It is pretty intense, and I will say that I did learn a bunch from this journal. Has a good test with EJ too!

420 Magazine > THE GROW ROOM > Growers Forums > Indoor Soil Cultivation
A top nutrient study: Which is the best? Produces most?

I hope to be adding to the journal room starting in March, with a 2000W HGL grow - 6 Master Kush and 6 Chem Dog.

Good luck with finding the right organic program, it's a jungle out
there! :goodluck:

I'll be watching!

:popcorn:
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ya that was some cool reading. ive read that link a few times before. the one thing i dont get is if you go threw all that trouble of crazy testing but have no pics makes me think? you know?

that would be a crazy grow brother, made watts of leds
 
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if i just waisted my time adding Mykos.
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Speaking of mykos, does organic pH Up and/or pH down hurt them? I bought the organic Earth Juice pH up and Down hoping that it wouldn't hurt the micro life. I wonder if theirs is really differen't because the ol pH up/down I first bought is clear fluid while the Earth Juice pH adjusters are sugar like crystals that dissolve in the water (its like scooping some goods out of a bag of sugar, tiny little crystals or something). I would also hate to load my soil with mykos and aszos only to find out I'd been killing them.

Anyone know if common pH adjusters hurt micro-organisms in the soil? Does it make a difference if the pH adjusters is supposedly organic or not?
 
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I thought the same too, about pics! I don't have enough posts to pm the author, but I had wanted to see some pics for myself. I had come to the conclusion, that if he is a large commercial medical grower, he did not want to have his business attached in anyway to posting on 420. The pics might have given a lot away about the person, grow space, legal business, etc.

I will be tuning in to your journals, as they come and go! I hope to be exploring some N/P/K myths in my grow, with 95% organics. It is just plain difficult to go 100% organic, no matter how hard you try! :slide:

I'll be watching to see what ends up working for you.

:Namaste:

PS - I'm trying hard to get Black Dog to supply a light, for a test grow against an HGL, and would love to add a GHL to that comp. If I can secure the BD, then I would contact Mike to see if he would be up to it..............then we would be in business! :high-five:
 
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jeff1bar said:
I thought the same too, about pics! I don't have enough posts to pm the author, but I had wanted to see some pics for myself. I had come to the conclusion, that if he is a large commercial medical grower, he did not want to have his business attached in anyway to posting on 420. The pics might have given a lot away about the person, grow space, legal business, etc.

I will be tuning in to your journals, as they come and go! I hope to be exploring some N/P/K myths in my grow, with 95% organics. It is just plain hard to go 100% organic, no matter how hard you try! :slide:

I'll be watching to see what ends up working for you.

:Namaste:

PS - I'm trying hard to get Black Dog to supply a light, for a test grow against an HGL, and would love to add a GHL to that comp. If I can secure the BD, then I would contact Mike to see if he would be up to it..............then we would be in business! :high-five:
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Its GLH not GHL
:P

although it is easy to confuse them since they have such similar names

Mike runs growledhydro - GLH
 
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staffy said:
what ur game plan now then , since u r not gonna use age old?
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going to use Age old since i bought it, dont really want to throw it away, but on my next grow i think i am going to go with the GO line, even though not 100% organics its enough to no hurt my micro life and thats what matters to me
jdizzle22 said:
Speaking of mykos, does organic pH Up and/or pH down hurt them? I bought the organic Earth Juice pH up and Down hoping that it wouldn't hurt the micro life. I wonder if theirs is really differen't because the ol pH up/down I first bought is clear fluid while the Earth Juice pH adjusters are sugar like crystals that dissolve in the water (its like scooping some goods out of a bag of sugar, tiny little crystals or something). I would also hate to load my soil with mykos and aszos only to find out I'd been killing them.

Anyone know if common pH adjusters hurt micro-organisms in the soil? Does it make a difference if the pH adjusters is supposedly organic or not?
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not sure about the EJ, it shouldnt if its organic like they say. but none organic PH adjusters will harm ur micro life. its acid and bad for ur medium also if it builds up . not sure about the EJ been wanting to get some but not sure how good it works? ive heard its not stable and PH will rise over a few overs.

if you have a good organic program you dont need to adjust PH. i never once adjusted my Jacks and look how green and healthy they were until weak 4 of bloom and that has nothing to do with PH.
 
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Yeah I have read in a couple other places that Earth Juice supposedly can have pH issues, but I also read that all people needed to do to fix with was bubble the mix for 24 hours before applying. I haven't read people talking bad about EJ except on rare occasions, and its just over the pH (but people don't elaborate).

I think I'm too paranoid to not adjust ph. My air pump and such haven't arrived yet so I can't raise my pH by bubbling yet, but whenever I do test its super low. I have those color drops thing which I know isn't best for nutes (which can change color of water or something) but it hits rock bottom on that scale (4.0?) whenever I test an EJ mix before I pH adjust. Is this the pH issue you speak of or is that something else?

Do you really think I could get away with using azos and mykos and the Earth juice line without pH adjusting nute water before applying?
 
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jeff1bar said:
I thought the same too, about pics! I don't have enough posts to pm the author, but I had wanted to see some pics for myself. I had come to the conclusion, that if he is a large commercial medical grower, he did not want to have his business attached in anyway to posting on 420. The pics might have given a lot away about the person, grow space, legal business, etc.

I will be tuning in to your journals, as they come and go! I hope to be exploring some N/P/K myths in my grow, with 95% organics. It is just plain difficult to go 100% organic, no matter how hard you try! :slide:

I'll be watching to see what ends up working for you.

:Namaste:

PS - I'm trying hard to get Black Dog to supply a light, for a test grow against an HGL, and would love to add a GHL to that comp. If I can secure the BD, then I would contact Mike to see if he would be up to it..............then we would be in business! :high-five:
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the guy that posted that grow on here wasn't the one who did it, it was a friend or something. ive seen that test all over the web but no pics and that always makes me wonder. i am just going to go with what makes sense to me and is cheap. if i get some more XG teas i will use those because they work good and they just came out with a new one after my grow to fix things, and want me to test it out again. but i might go with the GO line because its easier for me to get then EJ, and less stuff to mix and more complete in the micro nutes plus vegan and ive been wanting to try that.

either way pull up a chair brother :passitleft: hit this hit and enjoy.
 
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jdizzle22 said:
Its GLH not GHL
:P

although it is easy to confuse them since they have such similar names

Mike runs growledhydro - GLH
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Hey jdizzle22,

Thanks for the spell check (not being sarcastic). It was do to a lazy proof read! Sorry Mike, don't want to spread the mis-spelling around.

Hey Irish,

We're both wrong! I had HGL right, but GLH wrong!

:tokin:
 
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jdizzle22 said:
Yeah I have read in a couple other places that Earth Juice supposedly can have pH issues, but I also read that all people needed to do to fix with was bubble the mix for 24 hours before applying. I haven't read people talking bad about EJ except on rare occasions, and its just over the pH (but people don't elaborate).

I think I'm too paranoid to not adjust ph. My air pump and such haven't arrived yet so I can't raise my pH by bubbling yet, but whenever I do test its super low. I have those color drops thing which I know isn't best for nutes (which can change color of water or something) but it hits rock bottom on that scale (4.0?) whenever I test an EJ mix before I pH adjust. Is this the pH issue you speak of or is that something else?

Do you really think I could get away with using azos and mykos and the Earth juice line without pH adjusting nute water before applying?
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ya ive heard the same stuff, let it bubble for a day or 2 and the PH will jump up allot. any PH up or down thats acid will kill micro life so mise well not use Azos or Mykos because it then becomes a waste IMO. i have no clue about the EJ PH stuff though just talking about the GH stuff.

yes i do think if you have good organic soil and Mykos and Azos with EJ bubbled you will not need to adjust PH IMO. i would give it a try. also make sure to let water bubble for 24hr to get chlorine out or it will kill off micro life.
 
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I just took a look at my Earth Juice Natural up, says its 99.9% Potassium Bi-Carbonate
Potassium bicarbonate - Wikipedia

"(potassium bicarbonate has widespread use in crops, especially for neutralizing acidic soil, and is also under consideration as an organic fungicide[1]"


Have you been bubbling your organic nutes Irish?
 
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jdizzle22 said:
I just took a look at my Earth Juice Natural up, says its 99.9% Potassium Bi-Carbonate
Potassium bicarbonate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"(potassium bicarbonate has widespread use in crops, especially for neutralizing acidic soil, and is also under consideration as an organic fungicide[1]"


Have you been bubbling your organic nutes Irish?
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my teas i do. not my Age old because their not 100% organic.lol!
i knew it wasn't once i smelt it, has not odor and real organics smell.
 
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Yeah the Earth Juice veg bottle definitely has a... distinct odor compared to my 'organic based' Fox Farm Veg bottle


I'm surprised bat shit smells so familiar...
 
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jdizzle22 said:
Yeah the Earth Juice veg bottle definitely has a... distinct odor compared to my 'organic based' Fox Farm Veg bottle


I'm surprised bat shit smells so familiar...
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ya that budswell i have is foul with the seabird/bat guano. thats true organics. the ORMI label is what to look for when wanting all organic.
 
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